List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[whatis]

Well this seems irresponsible. Kind of morbidly fascinating though. I keep thinking back to that brief media clip from a few days ago where Clarke managed to present as both foolish and conceited, a dangerous combo it turns out!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Lol 3 years for Owies.
Most likely there were other interested parties, so we had to up our offer.

kicked 33 last year. How did our small forwards go?

 

[Shuestar13]

Have no issue with the commitment ideal, it is part of the game now, particularly with clubs putting time and work into players and player managers over years, targeting etc.

Liam wanted to play for us and we wanted him. The commitment was to get a deal done to ensure that.

What wasn’t required was the complete overpayment that took place, considering we were dealing with an out of contract 27yo role player, with respect to Liam not exactly a star of the competition.

Very amateurish and disappointing

It will be on Don and Clarke in the end, they have a lot of work to do to regain faith. If the rebuild fails, they should be first out the door.

 

[pantskyle]

Some like who?

not that I want specific names or anything, but what does it mean for it to be 'all Clarke'? Given the unanimous reactions it's obvious that there'd be some people 'within' the club feeling the same.

Now you know I won't answer that here.

 

[BEagle22]

Just been told by industry sources and maybe Matt Clarke himself that we will be shipping pick 12 and a future second to North for a player called Jack Darling

28

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

and dfa Curtis Taylor

5

Curtis Taylor

Age

24

Ht

188cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

!!

 

[Cuzz09]

kicked 33 last year. How did our small forwards go?

Exactly.

If he kicks 33+ a year it's something

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[DorothyG]

Fantastic melts by all, agree the deal stinks, but I'll be devils advocate here...

Maybe the club are using this year to try and plug that mid range age bracket. 3 seasoned players, although not world beaters, will help short term. We have bought in alot of youth the past few drafts.

Anyway, deals done.

Welcome the new lads, wishing them all the success

 

[mitchzz]

Well, Pyke did mention in passing that we'd like to get more picks inside the top 25-30 this year and that "we're not finished yet"

That probably all hinges on a Barrass deal getting done sooner rather than later and I don't know if that will happen until closer to the deadline

This is probably it boys...

Pick 12 and 26 in an absoutely stacked draft class

I guess I hope we draft Xavier Lindsay now? Moraes with pick 26? Who the **** knows

 

[woosha24]

The only upside in that interview is Pyke talking about getting back in to the ‘top ten or twenty’, but my confidence in that is gone.

How the feck are we supposed to get back into the Top 10? Pick 12 + Barrass?

 

[Gentle Ben]

I see it as Clarke/Mini/Pyke placing a value of our pick downgrade from 3 (plus crumbs) to 12, to instantly benefit our training standards, on-field leadership, coaching of new game plan, competition for spots, and perhaps, whilst not given, more wins in the short term (per recent output of baker and owies).

Whilst my thoughts align with most, that taking pick 3 or splitting for higher draft capital without trading it away for players who likely won’t be part of our next flag, player development in recent years has been sub-par to say the least, and this move buys Mini/Woosh a year longer rectify that issue whilst ensuring the team remains competitive without burning other young draftees.

 

[Cuzz09]

Think Baker is the type that will want to repay the faith.

The fact he was an Eagle fan is a bonus.

Him and Snake can combine for the snake and bake shake

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[Forward Press]

Fantastic melts by all, agree the deal stinks, but I'll be devils advocate here...

Maybe the club are using this year to try and plug that mid range age bracket. 3 seasoned players, although not world beaters, will help short term. We have bought in alot of youth the past few drafts.

Anyway, deals done.

Welcome the new lads, wishing them all the success

Think most agree we need the mature bodies in that age bracket. Cannot have a side of entirely teenagers. No one denies that. Graham, Baker and Owies immediately improves the quality of our list overall. All three walk into the best 22/23. Ideally, all three also have three or more seasons of AFL-level football in them.

The problem is the price paid for the latter two overall.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Fantastic melts by all, agree the deal stinks, but I'll be devils advocate here...

Maybe the club are using this year to try and plug that mid range age bracket. 3 seasoned players, although not world beaters, will help short term. We have bought in alot of youth the past few drafts.

Anyway, deals done.

Welcome the new lads, wishing them all the success

They are, as with Dev possibly coming in too, but we could have had all of these guys without moving off of Pick 3.

 

[1sttermfadeout]

I hate almost all of this, but the thing I hate the most is going out and recruiting a small forward. forwards (big and small) are the only position on the field we actually have any depth what so ever, if Owies was a precision kicking halfback flanker I'd be a heck of a lot less mad.

We needed a draft hand like Richmond is going to have, and with no Baker or Owies, and TB going out for a fair price we could have had it. Sigh.

I guess I'll just go back to telling my 6 year old we haven't always been terrible. and promising one day we might not get obliterated when I take him to a game.

 

[BEagle22]

Genuine question though, how do we plan on matching the bid for Champion, surely not using pick 26?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I look forward to Liam Baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

and Owies retiring while Draper starts reeling off all Australian nods year after year. Good work

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Lindsay I still like.

Allan is Ginbey 2.0

An outside player that has an iffy kick?

 

[random260]

Yeah look in three years time there will be Harley Reid and a void of mids. Going to have a worse time then Gaz at gold coast suns.

I actually feel so bad for him to the point where him leaving is actually good for his mental health.

We are ****ed. If there was a better time for Phil to burn the bridge with the club again now is the time.

As for Baker he deserves what's coming to him. His sentence about wanting richmond to compensated needs to be plastered everywhere.

I envision our fans booing the club melb style when they walked off the ground.

The worse feeling is completely realising we are going to be in a wasteland for the next 6 years

 

[Cuzz09]

I tell you what there better be a lift in training standards if that's the main reason for all this.

Last 2 pre seasons we came back looking insanely fit but that doesn't help v actual teams

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[Lyyynnnchy]

Baker in the midfield will make Reid, Hewitt and Kelly better players - the best I can think of is the mix that Stenglein added in the 2005/6 team. Stenglein in his own right was an average accumulator but did a better job of defensive structure than anybody. Mini is probably looking at blokes who know the game plan and can help to implement it.

I like this traed more than most - draft picks are over rated.

Bakers not a midfielder

He’s an undersized half forward to can go in for a few minutes

 

[The Gtrain]

kicked 33 last year. How did our small forwards go?

They also had a brownlow medallist kicking it i50, they basically had a coleman medallist as well, so hardly a shortage of supply.

 

[Bender_]

Think Baker is the type that will want to repay the faith.

The fact he was an Eagle fan is a bonus.

Him and Snake can combine for the snake and bake shake

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[WAFClatfd]

Pick 26 for sure

Come on we can do better than that next year's first round pick and maybe the second for good measure. Because we are nice guys

 

[WCEConnor23]

To the people trying to justify this trade please stop

You cannot spin it positively in any sense of the imagination

Both players were OUT OF CONTRACT

We could of literally got both players for FREE

This trade will set the club back years

 

[woosha24]

Think most agree we need the mature bodies in that age bracket. Cannot have a side of entirely teenagers. No one denies that. Graham, Baker and Owies immediately improves the quality of our list overall. All three walk into the best 22/23. Ideally, all three also have three or more seasons of AFL-level football in them.

The problem is the price paid for the latter two overall.

I think the issue most have is that, while we do need the mature bodies, we could have picked them up in the next draft for almost nothing. We had the opportunity to build a side with 2 gun mids in it by keeping pick 3, and f*cked it all up.