List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

What should we do with our 1st round draft pick?

  • Finn O’Sullivan

    Votes: 57 19.0%

  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 86 28.7%

  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 22 7.3%

  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 34 11.3%

  • Split for best mid and Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 46 15.3%

  • Split for best mid and Liam Baker

    Votes: 20 6.7%

  • Split for best mid and best KPD

    Votes: 4 1.3%

  • Split for best two mids

    Votes: 9 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 4.3%

  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 9 3.0%
  • Total voters
    300
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A solid step up for Sid who was one of SA's best in this game. He was back to somewhere near his explosive and damaging best, regularly surging away from opponents with attacking and direct play. His impact at stoppage is improving week by week and he was better able to run out the full game.

I'm putting his defensive work on watch though. He didn't look interested in chasing and his tackling pressure was non-existent.

 
ghostbat12 said:
There are not many instances where a situation is completely misread as much as dev has on his situation at Brisbane.

Even coach was surprised he signed….
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Everyone could see it except him. Loyal man can be costly.

4th round pick swap this year should get it done and less salary then we offered.

Good business
 
LewyBroome said:
Interesting proposition at Colts level. Jack Wooden, son of Josh, has had some BOG performances for West Perth recently. Not quite a father/son as Josh played 96 games. Is there a mechanism for West Coast to go to the AFL for circumstances relating to Father/son situations like this?
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Nope plenty if teams have missed. Some said lower the games the dad had to play but doubtful that happens with the current mess they have with the Draft, FS, NGAs and academy’s.

Bring back Josh for four games as sub?
 

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Draper has a higher ceiling then mckercher. And is on par with Wardlaw.

Sid draper at number 3 is a no brainer. What gets tricky is if FOS is pick 1 and Draper pick 2.

Then the rest have all very little seperation. Jagga can go with FOS/Draper if he improved his impact with ball he's very miltoast.

noobermensch said:
A solid step up for Sid who was one of SA's best in this game. He was back to somewhere near his explosive and damaging best, regularly surging away from opponents with attacking and direct play. His impact at stoppage is improving week by week and he was better able to run out the full game.

I'm putting his defensive work on watch though. He didn't look interested in chasing and his tackling pressure was non-existent.

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There is fellas. Watch it and be amazed. Most importantly keep track of when he lifts. Notice in vital mins.

I'd go as far as saying the only reason why we are picking FOS over draper is because of list needs. Not because of best available.
 
Convocation said:
On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.
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Been pretty good this year. High pressure forward (which ours have dropped off) good age and I assume a free agent? So cost only salary cap. Highly doubt he leaves though.
 
noobermensch said:
A solid step up for Sid who was one of SA's best in this game. He was back to somewhere near his explosive and damaging best, regularly surging away from opponents with attacking and direct play. His impact at stoppage is improving week by week and he was better able to run out the full game.

I'm putting his defensive work on watch though. He didn't look interested in chasing and his tackling pressure was non-existent.

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I've been watching some of he other vids but TBH this is the first time I've watched Draper. From that vid, he kind of gives of Serong vibes. Very good first touch but not Neale territory.

BTW - Thanks for all the work you put in. It's very much appreciated every year, especially by D+T tragics like myself.
 
Elite Pete said:
Been pretty good this year. High pressure forward (which ours have dropped off) good age and I assume a free agent? So cost only salary cap. Highly doubt he leaves though.
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Interesting. From an essendon supporters perspective, he seems to be one of those heart and soul players, best clubman types that the entire playing list is mates with. So it would seem strange for him to be wanting out.

Having said that, family ties are always a thing, and he could be looking for more financial/long term security than we're willing to offer. He hasnt always been a walk up best 22.
 
Convocation said:
On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.
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Gee, hope he turns up on Long's doorstep with flowers and a bottle of wine...
 
Convocation said:
On Scotty and Goss on SEN this morning, the producer came on at one point and said they have heard from an extremely reliable source that Matt Guelfi will be in Eagles colours next year. Apparently wants to come home. Out of contract at the end of this year.
Not sure what he adds to the team, other then right age 26, 27 in August.
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noobermensch said:
Interesting. From an essendon supporters perspective, he seems to be one of those heart and soul players, best clubman types that the entire playing list is mates with. So it would seem strange for him to be wanting out.

Having said that, family ties are always a thing, and he could be looking for more financial/long term security than we're willing to offer. He hasnt always been a walk up best 22.
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Could easily be his manager floating rumours to improve an offer. Richmond does it all the time with their WA players.
 
Guelfi ehhhhh.
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If we're chasing OOC/NFA types, I think we can do better with our list spots,. Not a pressing area of need.
 
noobermensch said:
Interesting. From an essendon supporters perspective, he seems to be one of those heart and soul players, best clubman types that the entire playing list is mates with. So it would seem strange for him to be wanting out.

Having said that, family ties are always a thing, and he could be looking for more financial/long term security than we're willing to offer. He hasnt always been a walk up best 22.
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Also not a Free agent so Eagles would have to trade. Can’t see it happening unless we miss on a lot of targets. Would be a nice get
 
ArdentEagle said:
Guelfi ehhhhh.
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If we're chasing OOC/NFA types, I think we can do better with our list spots,. Not a pressing area of need.
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When you’re in the Eagles position you are probably going to miss out on a lot of players like Hawthorn last year. Even more so if they put up games like the last 3 weeks. Hawks went and got role players who have made a big difference Chol, Ginnivan and Mass who help bring wins and help snag bigger players in the next season.
 

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Elite Pete said:
When you’re in the Eagles position you are probably going to miss out on a lot of players like Hawthorn last year. Even more so if they put up games like the last 3 weeks. Hawks went and got role players who have made a big difference Chol, Ginnivan and Mass who help bring wins and help snag bigger players in the next season.
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I agree but I still think we could get better role players too mate. I've long been on this board advocating bringing players to give more depth to the side, not everyone has to be a superstar.

I still think we could do a little better unless we cut deeper than expected.
Just having a look at this list, a few may be gettable that make me twitch more - https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players
 
eaglevision said:
Vic County vs SA up now
Some players of interest
Travaglia, Lindsay, Hynes, Langford
Draper and Dyson Sharp (2025 top 3 pick) for SA
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Some thoughts on the players I mentioned above pre game from the VicC vs SA match:

Tobie Travaglia

BOG for mine. Barely lost a contest, read the play, superb decision making and distribution, kicking and overhead marking was elite including 5 intercept marks. Exactly what we are lacking. Showed leadership throughout and no wonder he’s the skipper with FOS and Lalor out. Was only a late inclusion to the academy squad as an injury replacement this year but to me he’s a top 15 pick even as a HBF that can push up to a wing. If we split 1R he’s an absolute no brainer with one of the picks and if we keep our 1R I’d be doing everything we can to get another pick around 12-15 on the proviso he’s available.

Xavier Linsday

Didn’t get as much of the ball as I’d hoped but looked to be in part due to what looked like a get it forward game plan for VicC rather than looking laterally to the outside. When he did receive the ball his kicking was penetrating and accurate with excellent decision making. Expect him to be available with our 2R Pick should we keep it and remains my preference there with his outside game and class.

Harvey Langford

Excellent game. Strong in the contest, a get the ball forwards type but showed enough poise to generally hit targets rather than just blasting away for a F50 entry with over 500m gained. If we split 1R I’d have him as the preferred mid outside of the top bracket of FOS, Smillie, Ashcroft, Draper, Jagga and Moraes but still want to see Sam Lalor in the rest of the champs. Has a huge ceiling and can kick goals.

Cooper Hynes

Ok game, very good player but I’m worried he doesn’t see or look for lateral options enough and just runs toward goal regardless of the circumstances around him. That being said it can be coached but didn’t impress as much as the other VicC guys.

Sid Draper

Loved his game. Clean below his knees in greasy conditions, always presents himself as as an option after disposing of the ball and ran all day. Provided direction to teammates for the whole game and oozes leadership. Have to watch the VicM game a bit more closely but would probably prefer him over Jagga now.

Dyson Sharp

Didn’t pay as close attention to his game as he’s unavailable this year but looks to be a beast wewith 8 clearances as an under ager. Didn’t look out of place and showed good composure and strength in congestion against top agers, particular inside F50 with the game on the line. Better 2025 prospect than Duursma to me.
 
Do not want Guelfi if we have to pay any draft capital. Tell bombers no thanks and reassess if available in PSD.

Alex Keath has a bad hammy and will be out for 6 weeks +. Should mean there’s a spot there for Busslinger to make his own for an extended period which is slightly concerning.
 
Lazzas said:
I thought Smillie was outstanding in the Vic Metro V Allies game. Solid inside, around the ground and is a great kick at goal.
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Smilie seems the clear No.1

I have reservations on him being "that" good due to his size, and can he do it at the next level. For me it's an argument between Draper v FOS.

I'll heavily being relying on the draft watchers but at this point in time. Draper is my guy.
 
ArdentEagle said:
I agree but I still think we could get better role players too mate. I've long been on this board advocating bringing players to give more depth to the side, not everyone has to be a superstar.

I still think we could do a little better unless we cut deeper than expected.
Just having a look at this list, a few may be gettable that make me twitch more - https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players
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I think Guelfi would be a good get. He has had a good year, has some flexibility, and is of the age we need badly.
 
I think Lalor will come home towards the back end of the year like a storm and has the traits to push into the top 3 in the draft. He's the one I see as being the standout at the next level over time.

IMO we really need either FOS to stand up and earn that top 2 spot or some others to come bustling through at which point I would want to split.

If O'Sullivan can smash out the second half of the year then he will likely be in WCE colours next year.

Smillie is looking like a likely outright leader for pick 1 and unless some trade for pick 1 comes up thats too good to knock back I think North will just take him. For all of the mids they've picked he's the one type they really don't have.



Sheed's foot isn't ever getting better, so basically his career is dust and he's just collecting a pay cheque until it's time to retire.

Gaff is done.

Hewett can't get on the park, has very high talent levels but hasn't shown composure at AFL level for one and two that real burning desire to get the best out of himself hasn't been there. He a bit like Liam Ryan isn't the best off field but he's young so we need to give him time. If between himself and the club can get the best out of him he is nigh on as talented as Reid.

Ginbey could be anything, but he could also be just a roleplayer. He's currently second to the ball in almost all contested situations and if he is first to the ball he isn't clean. Needs to work on his pickups at speed. We do know he will do his absolute best to get to the peak of his ability. Not sure he's the centre ball bull we are looking for but does look neater playing from defence. His marking is better than I thought.

Harley Reid is a marquee player and one we can build around.

The club is very short on midfielders and quality disposal from HB in years to come.

Bailey Williams sure we could play him for another couple of years and see if he can develop as a number 1 ruck but imo he's trash as a forward. He is a 50/50 kick and doesn't have great forward craft. He either needs to go full on super strong ruck whilst maintaining a bit of athleticism or his kicking has to improve.

Bazzo is now getting to the point of being a long shot to make it, he's missed a lot of time, family situation, doesn't play taller than he is and is high level kick. He's a better kick than Edwards (Who I don't think makes it either) but at 194 and with his traits it's hard to see him matching up against big forwards.

Archer Reid will be given a few years and I hope he can display his talent but I've seen a lot of this kid of the past few years and he's a project player. Has lots of nice attributes but has shown over an extended period his reading of the play and his attack on the ball and man isn't at the level required. I think he's a long shot as a forward and if he is to make it the club should start trying to develop him as a defender ASAP.

Culley has the fire in the belly and the will to make it, but he's too slow to be a marking forward of choice and he needs to show something in the midfield at AFL level. If he doesn't make it as a mid at AFL level I don't think he makes it.

Baker, delist. WAFL level player

Trew, delist. No versatility, above WAFL level as an inside mid but not good enough to be the inside man at AFL level.

Dewar if he can put it all together is very much a diamond in the rough and could be a very good half forward for us. Needs to put it together in the next 2 years.

Jack Williams has shown a lot more than I expected and over time to me looks more likely as the second ruck / forward. Is a very smart player and whilst he will never be a dominant ruckman he is the sort of second ruck who could average a goal a game or more and is great at halving contests and getting the ball to ground. Since he's got to the club he's just slowly kept getting better. His weakness is his athleticism.

Rotham is a delist when we out of contract. Had all the tools but has two faults. He has been poorly developed imo and thats on the club. Secondly he just doesn't seem to have the vision of what to do next from defence. He just doesn't seem to be able to react to the play quickly enough.

Luke Edwards has a shitload of versatility but is too slow and hasn't shown he can be a main man in the middle. He's a delist.

Harry Edwards to me isn't AFL quality but he could be with the right players around him. You can really only carry one very poor kick in your defensive unit and you can really only do it if your other players are elite kicks.

Chesser is improving, i'm coming around but think he'll be a role player who hits his stride at around 24/25. Worth keeping.

Hough is a genuine A class lockdown defender who can play smaller or taller and get up the field a bit. He is an average kick who has a tendency to get under the ball but makes good decisions. Will put together a great career but in your best 22/23 really only have space for one of those players. A lock for the future.

Noah Long looks a promising and developing young forward / flanker however any time a player has a major knee injury it's always a watch afterwards.

Maric has elite vision, very good kicking skills and is a good size. The real question is can we make a top class wingman out of him or is he our future third tall back. A lot more Birchall than Gunston in him imo.

Hall has time. He has very good hands, has great endurance, is tough and has a good top speed. His kicking is very 50/50 and will need work and time. I think he makes it and is not the same player but very much a redden type and makes good midfield rotation and can make it as your pig centreman. Great defensively as well.

Rawlinson The club will likely give him time but who knows. I don't think he's an AFL level player or ever will be. He has the pressure part down as a forward but his kicking is not good enough imo.

Johnston is a project but i'd say he's more a yes than a no and needs a few seasons. Could very well make it on a wing for us but don't think he'll ever be more than a roleplayer.

Livingstone as a cat B is worth giving some time to. He has great aggression but is likely too small to ever be a number one ruck so need to work on his kicking and forward craft. I'd give him the full 3 years as a cat b player before making a decision. His kicking will likely decide whether he makes or doesn't make the grade as a ruck forward.

Jamieson is much more athletic and is a better kick than Harry Edwards. He could be a genuine FB but he's got a very short period of time to make his case.

Burgiel for all his talent I don't think is going to make it. Whether it's been the injuries or he doesn't want to be in WA the knock on his game was always defensively. Although we're only into his second year i'm at the point where I think he just doesn't want it enough which is a shame.

Harry Barnett. Lacks intensity, had an amazing U18's year but I just don't think he'll make it. Second round picks are always a 50/50 and it looks to me like we bet on the wrong horse and should have gone small there and tall later on. Really disappointed as I rated him so high. I could be overly harsh but if he's not a number 1 ruckman it's hard finding a spot for him at AFL level.

Jack Hutchinson. Whilst 22 it's best to look at him as a first year player. Yes he's more physically developed than most 18/19 year olds but he has come from a long way back playing country footy all the way through. He has a lot of untapped ability. He is a high flyer, is generally a good field kick and good kick for goal. He's fast without being blisteringly quick. Would still be in the top 3 on our list. From what i've seen reminds me a lot of a young Brett Burton. He needs some more development and it will be interesting to see if he can play further up the ground. Will need a couple of years of development.

Tyler Brockman. Has talent, good vision and is a good field kick. Has a bit of the yips at the moment and has had a really tough run with family and his two young ones. He has the talent, he's got till the end of the year to prove whether he has the determination. A few little things were kept quiet over east from what i've been told and we've had the incident (which i might say in a close family most of us have all done maybe not the same thing but something equally stupid) after the funeral. I'm now living it up in the heat and cheap beer for the next few months but just before my I left was told he has till the end of the year to prove he can put in the effort to make it at the top level and earn the trust of the playing group.

For our KP stocks its make or break for the next generation in the next 2 years, outside of Reid and Ginbey to a much lesser extent our next gen midfield is looking very thin on both talent and exposed form. We have one great defensive medium defender, a decent small forward, CHF and FF covered bar injury. Very thing all round in a couple of years time and genuinely think the clubs needs an assistance package. So far our young players and what we draft in with nominal picks will be likely enough to keep the club where it is in the forseeable future as players drop off and retire. Without an assistance package or genuinely pulling some high end players out of our arse with late picks the club will struggle on field without priority assistance.
 
ghostbat12 said:
We should then offer future third for Mcinerney and be done with this ruck problem.

That should be acceptable according to above. And get Brisbane to pay 1/3rd of his salary.

I am surprised why Brisbane hasn’t offloaded him yet given rucks are not that valuable.
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Half of us will offer to drive him to the airport for you. Do not rate.

You’ve got posters here trying to off load a player they don’t want/rate/value for a second rounder.

What’s hard to understand that someone else saying that’s just not a realistic valuation of a player.

Jordan Sweet, young reserve ruck was traded for pick 50 last year. And he had arguably shown more than Williams.
 
WCE_phil said:
I think Lalor will come home towards the back end of the year like a storm and has the traits to push into the top 3 in the draft. He's the one I see as being the standout at the next level over time.

IMO we really need either FOS to stand up and earn that top 2 spot or some others to come bustling through at which point I would want to split.

If O'Sullivan can smash out the second half of the year then he will likely be in WCE colours next year.
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Great insights on your squad thoughts. I agree North will take Smillie. If FOS smashes out the rest of the season surely he gets taken by Richmond at pick 2 and we miss out so what makes you think he’d come to us? Would also like to know what attributes make you so bullish on Lalor.
 
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