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Don't believe him everybody. There's no way we'll use our future first. That'd be madness.
I might be looking forward to reading some off the charts rants.
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Don't believe him everybody. There's no way we'll use our future first. That'd be madness.
I might be looking forward to reading some off the charts rants.
Just on what could go back and forth, has there been a general media or BigFooty consensus on what Liam Henry is going to cost the Saints?
If Fremantle end up with pick 35 in that deal I'd cop F1 for Schultz & 35 or something.
If Fremantle end up with pick 35 in that deal I'd cop F1 for Schultz & 35 or something.
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This is the most likely situation currently
Wouldn't be surprised if they've already accepted 19 or 19 and a future 2nd and everyone is waiting for the deadline to maximise ratings.
Exactly this. If we trade our F1 we're effectively out of the race for any OOC key forwards next year like JUH/King.
All because we blew our load on Schultz...
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Given that we already have players that can play the Adams role intended for Schultz and have the option of bringing in Billings at worst for far less cost, I'm not sure Freo being unreasonable is the best play here.
As I responded to someone earlier who said the deal is probably already done.
This is most likely all just theatre.
As I responded to someone earlier who said the deal is probably already done.
This is most likely all just theatre.
19 and future 2nd for Schultz and their future 3rd
take that future 3rd and this years pick 39 to get back into this years draft
perhaps Carlton to get their pick 26
they need points for f/s next year
would leave us with 26 and 34 this year
take that future 3rd and this years pick 39 to get back into this years draft
perhaps Carlton to get their pick 26
they need points for f/s next year
would leave us with 26 and 34 this year
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Bruv, the KF dream is over. We won't be selling the farm for a KF, we're doing just fine without one
They would never do that.Just on what could go back and forth, has there been a general media or BigFooty consensus on what Liam Henry is going to cost the Saints?
If Fremantle end up with pick 35 in that deal I'd cop F1 for Schultz & 35 or something.
Scodog10
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I would. The crux of the deal will be our 2024 1st. The melts are going to be interesting…
sr36
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Yep. It's also time for our President to make a racially offensive joke and Jordy to get arrested.I hate the this new closed doors no rumours flying out the door to the media Collingwood
Boring
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They'd wanna be pretty damn confident if finishing Top 2 next year if they're giving up a future 1st for Schultz.
Like seriously confident.
Even if not a KF, there could be other premium midfielders or KPD we can go for.
Otherwise we basically have no capital next year for any big moves. And Schultz is not a big move.
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An article from The Age about the trade period.
Bottom line: they drag it out as long as possible, because it's about money.
Who'd have thought?
AFL footballers have never been more scrutinised by a public thirsty for content and debate. Throughout the season, the daily dissection on television, radio, online and in print can be ferocious.
And just as the intensity rises on field through the finals, so it does come the AFL’s 13-day free agency and trade period, which has become an industry behemoth
Julian Bayard, the director of sport at the Sports Entertainment Network, including its 24-hour sports radio station and streaming stablemate, Trade Radio, said the rise of trade week was because it had become the “season of hope”.
“It’s grown so much from when Trade Radio started. We didn’t realise at the time when it launched how big it would be, or how big it’s become. The whole period, we call it the season of hope for the fans,” Bayard said.
“If you are a supporter of a team that doesn’t win the grand final, you are thinking: ‘How can we improve to win the next one?’ That’s what drives the consumption.”
Trade Radio, streamed through the AFL website, sprang to life in 2011, having been the brainchild of Craig Hutchison, the media entrepreneur and SEN chief executive. Hutchison went to the AFL with the idea, emerging at an ideal time as AFL Media was in its infancy. It immediately put a rocket under the three-week window post the grand final. Hutchison was unavailable for comment.
Barely 36 hours after Collingwood raised their premiership cup on the last Saturday of September, still four days before free agency opened and a week before the trade period officially began, Trade Radio was live, producing 11 hours of daily content, crossing to commentators, player agents and club bosses.
In last year’s trade period, where 34 players and 72 draft picks changed hands, including the most complex trade in history, involving four clubs, two players and 14 draft picks, Trade Radio had 20 million minutes of live audio streamed, 11 million minutes of live video streams, and 2.3 million podcast downloads, while the daily podcast was No.1 for sports podcast downloads in October, according to SEN.
Former AFL Media staff, speaking on the condition of anonymity to speak freely as they are still involved in the industry, said a significant early push of the league’s website was into player movement and the national draft, generating huge online traffic. Trade Radio has supercharged that.
Indeed, for all outlets covering the sport, including Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead, and News Corp’s various outlets, there is also a significant spike in online traffic thanks to trade machinations, particularly when star players are involved.
Show Me The Money returns for a second season on Stan.
Two other industry insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they are involved in the trade period, estimate the trade period is worth multiple millions of dollars in overall media coverage when commercial considerations, from sponsorships and advertising to radio, streaming and television air time, to stories online and in print, are tallied.
The introduction of free agency in 2012 is also seen as an important injection in upping trade interest, this coming under the watch of former AFL chief Andrew Demetriou.
“Free agency, matching offers, points and compensation have all become part of the trade period vocabulary. I’m a fan.”
Brett Murphy, the general manager of player and stakeholder relations for the AFL Players Association, said while the trade period was a time of uncertainty for some players, overall, it played a key role “in a football industry which is really tightly regulated”.
“From a commercial, fans perspective, I can appreciate why Trade Radio and the general reporting of the trade period attracts so much interest. I think, by and large, it’s good for the game. It gives fans an opportunity to see how their team can grow,” he said.
“It’s probably a period of the year when more people are listening in and consuming football than at any point in the year, even during the season, which is interesting. From a player perspective and a club perspective, it’s an absolutely pivotal, critical time for the football industry.”
Trade period’s growth has also corresponded with easier access, particularly through streaming, to US major sports over the past decade, allowing fans and, as Murphy noted, AFL players themselves, to follow the often high-stakes, soap-opera drama of player demands in the NFL, NBA, baseball and ice hockey.
What has gone on for decades in the US is starting to take shape here, highlighted by Adam Treloar’s unexpected – and emotional – axing by Collingwood and shift to the Western Bulldogs, the Brodie Grundy saga, and, last week, by Clayton Oliver’s future at Melbourne, the latter delivering Trade Radio a 77 per cent uptick in ratings from Monday to when his future was the headline act on Wednesday.
Prominent Perth-based player agent Colin Young, of Corporate Sports Australia, said the trade period had evolved immensely over the past two decades, having been “slow moving and archaic”.
“Look how popular it is now. The trade period sells hope for the clubs that are going for the flag next year. Members, sponsors, supporters, the media, it’s big, and only going to get bigger,” Young said, pointing to the possible introduction of a mid-year trade period as early as next season.
“With the Melbourne media, it’s forever going. Straight after the trade period, you have got the draft. The idea, in my opinion, is that the AFL is trying to control the media for 12 months of the year – they want it to go right into December. They [the AFL] are controlling and increasing their leverage in the market, but not only with sponsors, but on back pages … people want to know what’s going on in the AFL.”
Bottom line: they drag it out as long as possible, because it's about money.
Who'd have thought?
AFL footballers have never been more scrutinised by a public thirsty for content and debate. Throughout the season, the daily dissection on television, radio, online and in print can be ferocious.
And just as the intensity rises on field through the finals, so it does come the AFL’s 13-day free agency and trade period, which has become an industry behemoth
Julian Bayard, the director of sport at the Sports Entertainment Network, including its 24-hour sports radio station and streaming stablemate, Trade Radio, said the rise of trade week was because it had become the “season of hope”.
“It’s grown so much from when Trade Radio started. We didn’t realise at the time when it launched how big it would be, or how big it’s become. The whole period, we call it the season of hope for the fans,” Bayard said.
“If you are a supporter of a team that doesn’t win the grand final, you are thinking: ‘How can we improve to win the next one?’ That’s what drives the consumption.”
Trade Radio, streamed through the AFL website, sprang to life in 2011, having been the brainchild of Craig Hutchison, the media entrepreneur and SEN chief executive. Hutchison went to the AFL with the idea, emerging at an ideal time as AFL Media was in its infancy. It immediately put a rocket under the three-week window post the grand final. Hutchison was unavailable for comment.
Barely 36 hours after Collingwood raised their premiership cup on the last Saturday of September, still four days before free agency opened and a week before the trade period officially began, Trade Radio was live, producing 11 hours of daily content, crossing to commentators, player agents and club bosses.
In last year’s trade period, where 34 players and 72 draft picks changed hands, including the most complex trade in history, involving four clubs, two players and 14 draft picks, Trade Radio had 20 million minutes of live audio streamed, 11 million minutes of live video streams, and 2.3 million podcast downloads, while the daily podcast was No.1 for sports podcast downloads in October, according to SEN.
Former AFL Media staff, speaking on the condition of anonymity to speak freely as they are still involved in the industry, said a significant early push of the league’s website was into player movement and the national draft, generating huge online traffic. Trade Radio has supercharged that.
Indeed, for all outlets covering the sport, including Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead, and News Corp’s various outlets, there is also a significant spike in online traffic thanks to trade machinations, particularly when star players are involved.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/javascript:void(0);
Show Me The Money returns for a second season on Stan.
Two other industry insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity because they are involved in the trade period, estimate the trade period is worth multiple millions of dollars in overall media coverage when commercial considerations, from sponsorships and advertising to radio, streaming and television air time, to stories online and in print, are tallied.
The introduction of free agency in 2012 is also seen as an important injection in upping trade interest, this coming under the watch of former AFL chief Andrew Demetriou.
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“Trade period generates a lot of interest and talkback and discussion. It’s great for the game post grand final week,” Demetriou said.“Free agency, matching offers, points and compensation have all become part of the trade period vocabulary. I’m a fan.”
Brett Murphy, the general manager of player and stakeholder relations for the AFL Players Association, said while the trade period was a time of uncertainty for some players, overall, it played a key role “in a football industry which is really tightly regulated”.
“From a commercial, fans perspective, I can appreciate why Trade Radio and the general reporting of the trade period attracts so much interest. I think, by and large, it’s good for the game. It gives fans an opportunity to see how their team can grow,” he said.
“It’s probably a period of the year when more people are listening in and consuming football than at any point in the year, even during the season, which is interesting. From a player perspective and a club perspective, it’s an absolutely pivotal, critical time for the football industry.”
Trade period’s growth has also corresponded with easier access, particularly through streaming, to US major sports over the past decade, allowing fans and, as Murphy noted, AFL players themselves, to follow the often high-stakes, soap-opera drama of player demands in the NFL, NBA, baseball and ice hockey.
What has gone on for decades in the US is starting to take shape here, highlighted by Adam Treloar’s unexpected – and emotional – axing by Collingwood and shift to the Western Bulldogs, the Brodie Grundy saga, and, last week, by Clayton Oliver’s future at Melbourne, the latter delivering Trade Radio a 77 per cent uptick in ratings from Monday to when his future was the headline act on Wednesday.
Prominent Perth-based player agent Colin Young, of Corporate Sports Australia, said the trade period had evolved immensely over the past two decades, having been “slow moving and archaic”.
“Look how popular it is now. The trade period sells hope for the clubs that are going for the flag next year. Members, sponsors, supporters, the media, it’s big, and only going to get bigger,” Young said, pointing to the possible introduction of a mid-year trade period as early as next season.
“With the Melbourne media, it’s forever going. Straight after the trade period, you have got the draft. The idea, in my opinion, is that the AFL is trying to control the media for 12 months of the year – they want it to go right into December. They [the AFL] are controlling and increasing their leverage in the market, but not only with sponsors, but on back pages … people want to know what’s going on in the AFL.”
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Chicken or cheese ?
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Please point me to where Wrighty has been bent over the last few seasons.
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Cheese. They roll up with chicken and hands might get thrown
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I can't believe that we (Wrighty and co) are dumb enough to be played the way we will have been played if we give up our F1 for Lochie Schultz.
It takes us out of the market for the blokes that go OOC next year.
No way
It takes us out of the market for the blokes that go OOC next year.
No way
Correct , lst years trades fro example , only won us a flag, I realy think Wright should lift his game ...
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Chicken would be a deal breaker - I'm not budging, it's cheese or no deal.
Getting way less for Ollie Henry than what Freo will get for Schultz. Will probably be even less than what Geelong will get for Esava.
Getting less for Adams than what Melb got for a VFL Grundy. Getting less for Grundy to Melbourne as a salary dump than what Melbourne got a year later from Sydney as a even more desperate salary dump.
The Tom Mitchell trade evened out a lot of things for us last year so was hoping we'd try chase more of those. Target cheap veterans that feel needs that other clubs no longer value. The likes of Haynes, Billings probably fit that profile this year.
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