Coach Carlton and Michael Voss - where to now

[HTPunter]

I meant more your view on the side rather than Voss. I think even regular joes have a better view than some gambling company floggo.

I'm on the same page: I think Voss is a good coach, just hasn't delivered yet.

Like all coaches needs support to build his list. His forte is toughness and contests, I think he's less good at fringe development and bargains. Give him a Fagan-style "nice guy" assitant who builds up the skills of the second and third tier, and someone to bring in MSD bargains and left field projects.

So same as the list: the coaches and admin need all the pieces, not just the king pieces.

I think OP is gloating a bit. If Voss fails and is sacked that's on the board and coteries. You've had several promising coaches who fell over I think because they didn't have the resourcing around them.

I think Voss is a rubbish coach, but agree with your overall point in that you have to give them every chance before going down the sack & restart point.

For teams with Carlton’s list profile, things are never as bad as they seem (as opposed to say North, West Coast or Richmond who have or will be stuck in the doldrums for extended periods).

Port probably the best most recent example.

0-5 in 2022 after 5 rounds. Recovered to 10-12.
Prelims the next 2 years.

Obviously huge issues with Kenny in that time, so wouldn’t surprise me to see Carlton do similar. Can’t see how they get past the final hurdle with Voss, but they definitely aren’t in the blow it up, David Noble territory.

 

[HTPunter]

Your point?

Rejigging a couple of players in the bottom 2-3 of the best 23 does **** all. **** all for the players (doesn’t allow them to develop their roles), **** all for the team (doesn’t really put any pressure on players 15-19 or even higher who aren’t performing).

No selection statement from Voss. I think even dropping McGovern would have been a reasonable statement.

Can’t wait for next weeks changes (in: Camporeale out: Lord)

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Rejigging a couple of players in the bottom 2-3 of the best 23 does ** all. ** all for the players (doesn’t allow them to develop their roles), **** all for the team (doesn’t really put any pressure on players 15-19 or even higher who aren’t performing).

No selection statement from Voss. I think even dropping McGovern would have been a reasonable statement.

Can’t wait for next weeks changes (in: Camporeale out: Lord)

McGovern out for who?

 

[fnerd]

McGovern out for who?

 

[Yellow Feathers]

Camporeale had 20 possessions in a moral win on debut.

Then subbed out and dropped. Ok

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Camporeale had 20 possessions in a win on debut.

Then subbed out and dropped. Ok

A win?

 

[Fadge]

Camporeale had 20 possessions in a win on debut.

Then subbed out and dropped. Ok

Must have been a 'moral' win.

Or a practice match.

 

[fnerd]

Ross or Voss: Where would the Blues be if they had Lyon? — SEN

He had some intriguing comments on Carlton.

apple.news

Good article but let’s face it , blind
Freddy could’ve told you that Ross the boss was clearly the superior option over Voss the Loss

As Healy states it perfectly in the article;

“They butchered that, they totally butchered that the Blues.”

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

As Healy states it perfectly in the article;

“They butchered that, they totally butchered that the Blues.”

By asking Ross to actually present a case as to why he should be coach?

 

[fnerd]

By asking Ross to actually present a case as to why he should be coach?

There was nothing wrong with doing due process but the ultimate aim is to get the best candidate.

So there’s no point doing “due process” just for the sake of it (or in this case to appease the members/media)if it meant you risked putting the best candidate off side .
Which inevitably occurred.

Anyways be interesting to see what the blues do for the next coaching selection process as virtual same scenario will exist should (very likely) Voss gets tossed and Carlton’s management sound out the current and easily best readily available candidate in Longmire .

So does the club approach Longmire which 100% they will and might even have already done but then demand he go through “due process”?

 

[Mr.X]

Has to be over for Voss now.

We’ve seen enough already this year, he must go.

Season is done, cut the list cloggers (eg: McGovern, Williams, Acres & Motlop) and get some games into others.

 

[Freomaniac]

Hinkley copped hate from Port fans before he started, simply because he wasn't Rodney Eade.

Once Ken Hinkley is done at Port this season, I Reckon 2 or 3 clubs will look at him as a head coach.

At least 2 or 3 other clubs would take him as a member of the coaching panel

 

[The Nostradamus]

Everyone back off crazy vossy

We want him to stay coach

I beg again everyone pls leave crazy vossy alone

 

[Cyber_punk]

Maybe the one thing that buys Voss some time is they haven't been flogged - 4 losses by a total of 58 points.

An average losing margin of around 15 points. So close yet so very far.

 

[lizard man]

This is actually the time to give voss an extension to help release the pressure …. Not the time to bring the knives out Julius Caesar style

 

[Philhawk]

I love him. Thank you for pick 1, Vossy.

 

[WillHayward]

He's gone.

Who is available? Simpson?

 

[benbrown]

Maybe the one thing that buys Voss some time is they haven't been flogged - 4 losses by a total of 58 points.

An average losing margin of around 15 points. So close yet so very far.

Clearly should have been 50 tonight if pies didn’t butcher it

 

[hdi]

He's gone.

Who is available? Simpson?

Bevo? Ken and Longmire surely will be approached

 

[Cyclops]

Maybe the one thing that buys Voss some time is they haven't been flogged - 4 losses by a total of 58 points.

An average losing margin of around 15 points. So close yet so very far.

They're only missing on piece really, a zippy little forward/mid. They monster sides in the centre. The defence is good. The twins up forward just need a bit of discipline and a bit of help.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Carlton fans coming for Voss' and Ollie Holland's heads

 

[HTPunter]

Carlton fans coming for Voss' and Ollie Holland's heads

This is actually the cringiest/lamest shit. Filming themselves ooh look I’m so angry. Wish these types actually walked the walk & left the game, but we all know it’s mere attention seeking & they’ll be back

 

[HTPunter]

I don’t think you can just blame the bottom 2-3 kids again. Haynes, Doch & Williams all had awful moments in defence at times being easily moved off the ball or not going. Maybe the hand will be forced with Williams with injury unfortunately - but I would have had him in the gun to be dropped.

But you know it will be
Out: Moir, Cowan
In: Evans, Boyd

 

[justlookingaround]

Ross Lyon would've gotten Carlton #17 no doubt
They have completely wasted a very talented spine playing a brand of footy that is half a decade behind the curve.

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

Cant be ****ed looking, can someone tell me do the Eagles have Carltons 1st round pick?