Official Club Stuff Carlton Academy - Next Gen & Father/Son/Daughter Discussion

[Red Bull]

Wholesome

 

[RPCB]

I posted it in both Ben’s & Lucas’s Player threads on Friday and here it is again

Inside Carlton | 24 hours with the Camporeales

Experience all the emotion in the Camporeale household on draft night.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Official club video, “Rossi” and “Bossy”.

 

[GalaxyBlue]

Bit more detail - with links to RMC data.

Year	NGA & F/S & F/D								Draft Birth Year
2025	Jack Ison (NGA)	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	Archer Hogg	Harvey Allan	Mingara Clark (NGA)	Charlie Beaumont	Harry Dean	Sunny Lappin	2007​
2026	Cody Walker								2008​
2027	Riley Scotland	Ahmad Abdallah (NGA)						​	2009
2028	Lukas Koutoufides	Darcy Johnston							2010​
2029	Oscar Judd	Tyler Scotland	Arli Walker						2011​
2030	Lewis Betts	Nason Lovett-Murray(Garlett)						​	2012
2031									2013​
2032	Chance Robinson								2014​
2033	Charlie Gibbs	Billy Betts							2015​
2034	Darcy Judd	Tom Judd	Teddy Waite						2016​
2035									2017​
2036	Max Murphy	William Curnow	Arlo Casboult						2018​
2037									2019​
2038	Eddie Betts IV								2020​
2039									2021​
2040									2022​
Boys	Harvey Allan	29/05/2007​	Sandringham Dragons
	Harry Dean	13/11/2007​	Murray Bushrangers
	Jack Ison (NGA)	26/02/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Tyson Gresham (NGA)	21/06/2007​	Northern Knights/South Morang
	Mingara Clark (NGA)	29/04/2007​	Oakleigh Chargers
	Archer Hogg
	Charlie Beaumont		Sandringham Dragons/East Malvern
	Cody Walker	26/01/2008​	Bendigo Pioneers/Echuca
Girls	Sunny Lappin	28/11/2007​	Southport

Phoebe Pearce is draft eligible next year as well I think? Currently playing for Dandenong.

Phoebe Pearce Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

 

[ianh]

Wouldn’t work at all, John Lloyd played like thirty nine games and produced the Velvet Sledgehammer.
SOS played over three hundred and produced Ben…


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It's not about rewarding the club with the quality of player, it's rewarding the player (son/daughter) with the chance to play for their father's club and in that sense longevity should matter. It is another question whether that should only be games played or whether years on the list should be factored in somehow - call it the Rhino O'Sullivan factor.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I still don’t get how your proposal would work


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[ianh]

I still don’t get how your proposal would work


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Well I haven't tried to quantify where and how much various discounts should be, but that is a matter that analytical data should inform much as the draft points for each pick aren't just done by gut feel but by crunching the numbers over what is now a fairly decent sample size.

But something like:

At club for but no senior games - no discount, but right to match bid.
At club small number of senior games (say 0-10) small discount - say 5%
10-49 slightly larger discount - say 10%
50-99 or say 5 years on list larger again - say 15%
100 or above or say 8+ years largest discount - say 20%

In my view this could be applied both to the men's and women's competitions.

As to amount of discount that is to be determined by stats, but it is mainly about getting the kid to the father's club rather than giving the club a leg up - that is a side effect.

 

[Bletch]

Well I haven't tried to quantify where and how much various discounts should be, but that is a matter that analytical data should inform much as the draft points for each pick aren't just done by gut feel but by crunching the numbers over what is now a fairly decent sample size.

But something like:

At club for but no senior games - no discount, but right to match bid.
At club small number of senior games (say 0-10) small discount - say 5%
10-49 slightly larger discount - say 10%
50-99 or say 5 years on list larger again - say 15%
100 or above or say 8+ years largest discount - say 20%

In my view this could be applied both to the men's and women's competitions.

As to amount of discount that is to be determined by stats, but it is mainly about getting the kid to the father's club rather than giving the club a leg up - that is a side effect.

I like this idea, but...

Harley Reid v2 comes along, and wants to play for Carlton. v2's Dad is a Carlton supporter. We pick Dad up in the msd. Maybe even give him a game as sub. Bingo, 'free' gun player.

For this reason, I don't think the "listed player" or even 1-10 game players should or would qualify, but I do like the idea of a graded system as you're suggesting, just a matter of when it kicks in, and what the discount levels would be.

 

[DangerousD]

I like this idea, but...

Harley Reid v2 comes along, and wants to play for Carlton. v2's Dad is a Carlton supporter. We pick Dad up in the msd. Maybe even give him a game as sub. Bingo, 'free' gun player.

For this reason, I don't think the "listed player" or even 1-10 game players should or would qualify, but I do like the idea of a graded system as you're suggesting, just a matter of when it kicks in, and what the discount levels would be.

Imagine we did this if Brad Fisher or Kennedy ever have a gun footballing son

 

[katmanblue]

Imagine we did this if Brad Fisher or Kennedy ever have a gun footballing son

oh well.

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[ianh]

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Or Sam Rowe

 

[Coona Blues]

VIC Metro and VIC Country rep summer training squads have been named.

Jack Ison AND Tyson Gresham in the Metro squad.
Underager Cody Walker is also in the Country squad.

Plenty to look forward to for we Baggers.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Harry Dean also in the country squad


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[Coona Blues]

Harry Dean also in the country squad


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Sorry, wasn’t looking for Harry in my haste.

Edit: Squads are 23 and 24 respectively so roughly speaking three boys in top 45-50 in Victoria are either Academy or Father -Son for Carlton with Cody for 2006.

The listing, which I am not sure is official has Ison 189cm, Gresham 167cm (up from 163 listing preseason) and Dean at 193cm, projecting likely key position size.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Loved Peter Dean, hopefully Harry has his C qualities


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[Lace_Out]

Heath Buck gave Ison a big wrap on his My Blue Heaven youtube channel training report.

Just knows where to be and a smart player.

Sounds very promising.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Heath Buck gave Ison a big wrap on his My Blue Heaven youtube channel training report.

Just knows where to be and a smart player.

Sounds very promising.

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From the bits I watched of him this year he looked to have some talent. Just seemed to be a player without a position though, hopefully he finds an area of the ground to settle in and develop further.

Looked a little lost at times rotating from wing to fwd to back over the course of a game.

 

[Arr0w]

From the bits I watched of him this year he looked to have some talent. Just seemed to be a player without a position though, hopefully he finds an area of the ground to settle in and develop further.

Looked a little lost at times rotating from wing to fwd to back over the course of a game.

I think he is developing well, suspect he will split his time as a medium forward/onballer similar to Kennedy, but with a much bigger tank and a tad quicker

Very good footy IQ

 

[Coona Blues]

From the bits I watched of him this year he looked to have some talent. Just seemed to be a player without a position though, hopefully he finds an area of the ground to settle in and develop further.

Looked a little lost at times rotating from wing to fwd to back over the course of a game.

A but if truth to this, but from my research, most of his best work has been done behind the ball. Perhaps personnel or “preferences” dictated he play forward/mid. Impressed by what I saw in the futures game, but to my eye is not a forward.

Reading between lines, I have been trying to extrapolate how our future structures may look. With Kempy seemingly moved from the back line, we are going to need at least one viable 3rd tall interceptor/rebounder. Haynes and McGovern will only have short term tenure. (This is why I still see Kemp slightly less accountable down back)

Matt Carroll if re-rookied is a candidate as is Ison and Harry Dean going forward. DGB given the chance to impress in that role as well. Next year’s draft is highly likely to be about NGA and father/son, with a bit of physical development young Gresham will be a prime candidate for our small forward options.

A couple of genuine utility types will be a positive addition to the list over the next year or two.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I think he is developing well, suspect he will split his time as a medium forward/onballer similar to Kennedy, but with a much bigger tank and a tad quicker

Very good footy IQ

I liked him behind the ball the most. But he seemed to excel at being a handball receive behind stoppage like Docherty used to do which was a bit surprising given his height. I'm sure we'll know more through his 18s campaign.

Does anyone know what number he was wearing at open training? Will White and him look far too similar in the face for me to tell the difference in some of the clips.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

A but if truth to this, but from my research, most of his best work has been done behind the ball. Perhaps personnel or “preferences” dictated he play forward/mid. Impressed by what I saw in the futures game, but to my eye is not a forward.

Reading between lines, I have been trying to extrapolate how our future structures may look. With Kempy seemingly moved from the back line, we are going to need at least one viable 3rd tall interceptor/rebounder. Haynes and McGovern will only have short term tenure. (This is why I still see Kemp slightly less accountable down back)

Matt Carroll if re-rookied is a candidate as is Ison and Harry Dean going forward. DGB given the chance to impress in that role as well. Next year’s draft is highly likely to be about NGA and father/son, with a bit of physical development young Gresham will be a prime candidate for our small forward options.

A couple of genuine utility types will be a positive addition to the list over the next year or two.

Yeah I agree, I liked him behind the ball the most. He has the athletic talent to play forward but looked more a natural reader behind the ball for me.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I hope Ison develops as a 3rd tall defender next year. Best position for him plus suits an emerging need for us.

Not sure on Gresham. Hes tiny so needs to be very good. Would need to improve alot to get drafted.

 

[tragic]

I liked him behind the ball the most. But he seemed to excel at being a handball receive behind stoppage like Docherty used to do which was a bit surprising given his height. I'm sure we'll know more through his 18s campaign.

Does anyone know what number he was wearing at open training? Will White and him look far too similar in the face for me to tell the difference in some of the clips.

Was wearing number 42