Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[Markfs]

I think your spot on. I was told by a player manager not in the deal that the original Grundy deal was $150k x 5 years the Pies had to pay based on any pick above a first round. I got told that very late on trade deadline Melbourne asked Collingwood after the deal was done if they’d pay most of this $750k upfront for a discount to $600k. The reason for this was they came late for Hunter and didn’t have the funds in 2023 TPP to get him.
Pies then had to delay Mitchell deal till they negotiated the Hawks payment to pies for him. This included the Henry 3 way deal.
The Cats gave the Hawks Cooper Stevens as the sweetener pies lost Henry and 2 x 3rd rounders with the Pies picking up Mitchell plus pick 25 and apparently $325k in Mitchell salary paid by the Hawks in his 2023 salary.
Pies did 3 yr Mitchell deal smoothing over his contract that allowed them to satisfy the Dees request.
Dees get Hunter for a future 3rd ( a steal ) but have to pay his current contract.
Pies apparently pay $600k in Grundys first year contract only.

So the player manager not in the deal told you the original terms which might have been widely known in the industry because collingwood was trying to find a home.

And then late in the trade, when the dealings were between melb and the pies and possibly grundy's manager, the particulars of the final deal were leaked too...

wow is there any confidentiality in any of these dealings?

So what is hunter's contract? ANd how much is Mitchell being paid over 3 years? and how much a year is Grundy being paid over the contract period?

 

[Wearmouth]

These hypothetical questions really serve no purpose mate.
We chose to trade Grundy so that we could get in the likes of Mitchell and McStay. Also, to ensure the future prospects of the team in terms of cap.

As a player, Grundy is way more valuable that Mitchell.

In the end it’s what’s best for the Collingwood football club. Not what’s best for Soy Boy.

We’ve gotten what we need and improved our team depth not to even notice his output. That was evident last season.


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[Wearmouth]

We should've done that for JDG last year if we wanted cap relief. Would've got a high first rounder from Saints (Phillipou?) and kept Grundy and gotten Mitchell to replace JDG in the short term whilst Phillipou developed.

Instead we sign an inconsistent JDG to same amount of remaining years as Grundy on big money whilst getting peanuts in trade return by pushing him out.

You’re not serious are you.

JDG is our best player. If injuries play no impact on him this year. He will be a big reason why we succeed. Soy Boy is not in the same league as JDG.


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[Wearmouth]

I agree with us he was overpaid. Melbourne are paying less than his market worth at the moment though.

3 goals for a ruck on $350k? if Cameron kicked 3 goals in a game playing ruck we’d be over the moon.

The Grundy discussion has been mired forever in black and white thinking - and not of the good kind. Black/white … good/bad …. This is what psychotherapists call splitting and it’s also known as cognitive distortion. I.e., people are in fantasy land.

we should just try to be balanced. Grundy and Gawn looked like a powerful setup. Grundy played well and kicked 3 goals which is as good as a ruck can do. He also didn’t dominate otherwise so he wasn’t devastating. Just a good game all round. Better then either of our rucks in our practice match but we knew he was a better player then them anyway, so no surprises. We got McStay and Mitchell who together we figure will be better for the team. Time will tell.

Facts first……..$350K……really….

Good to know that the cognitive distortion is strong with you.


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[The Majestic]

After Treloar and Grundy would any father or manager be directing a key player, such as a gun CHF, towards Collingwood?

Managers are going to push their player to sign with the team that pays the most, doubt they'd care if they ended up traded after awhile or not as long as they're getting some big money they don't care.

Under the old management I dare say we'd have had a trouble selling to father to bring his child to the club, but we're in a better position now.

 

[Wearmouth]

Not according to some of the stories doing the rounds earlier this year.

The assumption was we were poorly compensated in the trade because they were taking a significant portion of his contract. Not so apparently. We just got shafted.

Yet another cognitive distortion. It’s been explained already. You just don’t or cants accept it and definitely cant he was moved on. Even Fly and Co. wanted him gone.


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[Wearmouth]

Grundy leaves and his marking turns into prime Travis Cloke

If you watch them they were all push in the back marks. Won’t happen as easy come season proper.


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[The Majestic]

I'd be interested to see how he performs in the season ahead, hopefully against us he has a poor game. I never really thought he was deserving of the contract he was given....but in fairness I think some of the money thrown about is a bit ridiculous. His output after the contract was underwhelming at times.

 

[Fat Jesus]

If you watch them they were all push in the back marks. Won’t happen as easy come season proper.


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I love Grundy but he was no forward. Slow and lumbering. Awkward looking.
His strength was his second efforts as a ruck and that strength diminished ever since he got the big contract.

 

[The Majestic]

I love Grundy but he was no forward. Slow and lumbering. Awkward looking.
His strength was his second efforts as a ruck and that strength diminished ever since he got the big contract.

that was the feeling that I got as well.

 

[gouki88]

After Treloar and Grundy would any father or manager be directing a key player, such as a gun CHF, towards Collingwood?

Yes. Either for the great culture Fly and co. are building, or for the payday

 

[Markfs]

There seems to be two shifts working in this joint - the winter shift who wanted grundy out of the club and the summer shift who wants him back....

Either that or its one of those TV shows where they bitch about their current boyfriend and then when he leaves, they pine for their ex...

 

[Carringbush2010]

Grundy……..by a mile.

Grundy would be surplus, a coal face mid like Mitchell is absolutely required.

 

[jmac70]

In the end it’s what’s best for the Collingwood football club. Not what’s best for Soy Boy.

We’ve gotten what we need and improved our team depth not to even notice his output. That was evident last season.


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We definitely missed Grundy in the preliminary final.

 

[Carringbush2010]

We should've done that for JDG last year if we wanted cap relief. Would've got a high first rounder from Saints (Phillipou?) and kept Grundy and gotten Mitchell to replace JDG in the short term whilst Phillipou developed.

Instead we sign an inconsistent JDG to same amount of remaining years as Grundy on big money whilst getting peanuts in trade return by pushing him out.

Apples and Oranges.

Mitchell ISN'T the same type of player, he's a coal face mid, Degs is not that - he's a burst mid, and pretty good at it (understatement). Better value than Grundy coz Mitchell fills a need, we don't need superstar rucks. Cox / Cameron sufficient enough

I'm sure you won't be lamenting keeping Degs when he wins the norm smith.

 

[jmac70]

Grundy would be surplus, a coal face mid like Mitchell is absolutely required.

Grundy is a far more valuable player than Mitchell. This isn’t a criticism of Mitchell.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Grundy is a far more valuable player than Mitchell. This isn’t a criticism of Mitchell.

Collingwood FD would obviously disagree with you.

 

[stormskye]

We definitely missed Grundy in the preliminary final.

Cox and Cameron got us to a prelim jmac. Not Grundy. We almost won the spoon with Grundy

 

[jmac70]

Collingwood FD would obviously disagree with you.

Grundy was moved on because of his salary. Long term, it’s probably the right call.

 

[jmac70]

Cox and Cameron got us to a prelim jmac. Not Grundy. We almost won the spoon with Grundy

Our rucks are an area of concern, IMO. I hope to be proven wrong.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I was wondering whether you made that up Timmy, or did someone else make it up and tell it to you? Not that I'm saying that it isnt a good guess.

It’s my understanding

 

[Carringbush2010]

Grundy was moved on because of his salary. Long term, it’s probably the right call, and in the short term we fill list deficiencies.

Glad you agree.

 

[jmac70]

Glad you agree.

Just reply next time thanks. Editing posts is not clever.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Just reply next time thanks.

I did reply, thanks for agreeing, I think you're right, we've offloaded a large chunk of contract and brought in players we need. Win win!

Might be the difference between loving our ruckman and winning a flag

 

[jmac70]

I did reply, thanks for agreeing, I think you're right, we've offloaded a large chunk of contract and brought in players we need. Win win!

Might be the difference between loving our ruckman and winning a flag

Now I remember why I rarely bother talking to you.