Bluemour Discussion Thread XIII - Facts Not Welcome

[KohPhi]

Happy with the Fasolo get, and on a one year deal is the smart move.

Not too fussed by the whole "he doesn't tackle" thing, he averages 2.5 tackles per game which is pretty much bang on the average. People get a bit too caught up in the media spin about the state of the game. "You have to be a pressure player to play forward in the modern game" is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

Kennedy (2), Darling (2.4), Cripps (3.9), Lecras (3), Rioli (2.6), Ryan (1.9) - 15.8 tackles per game
Mihocek (2), Cox (1.6), DeGoey (2.3), Hoskin-Elliott (1.7), Varcoe (3.1), Thomas (3.1) - 13.8 tackles per game
Roughead (2.6), Schoenmakers (1.8), Burgoyne (4.2), Gunston (2), Breust (4.1), Puopolo (4.2) - 18.9 tackles per game
McDonald (2.3), Weideman (2.4), Melksham (1.9), Hannan (2.2), Vandenberg (3.1), Neal-Bullen (4.7) - 16.6 tackles per game

McKay (1.8), Curnow (2.1), McGovern (2.4), Fasolo (2.5), Pickett (2.9), Polson (3.2) - 14.9 tackles per game

Improved fitness and involvement from McKay, Curnow and Pickett sees us matching the top sides in this area. Not sold on Polson as a "defensive forward", but rotating Fisher, SPS, Murphy, Lang, Dow etc. through the forward line works as well if not better.

My hope is that we're getting ahead of the curve and building a forward line where every player is a threat. They need to work as a team, for sure, but if we've got the edge in most of our 1-on-1 matchups then it's a really good starting point.

Your common sense approach and use of statistical data to support your view is not wanted, nor in fact acceptable in these parts!

 

[mochacinolatte]

I like this trade.

26 + 28 + Rights to McAdam for McGovern and upgrade from future 5th (Pick 80 -ish) for future 3rd (Pick 45- ish)

1. We have to remembered that McGovern was contracted and we had to pay a tad more to get him across (See Bryce Gibbs deal, and yes you can argue that Bryce would of stayed at Carlton while McGovern wanted out, there was a chance that they would of held McGovern for another 2 years.). The big picture is, this relieves pressure on Charlie in the fwd line.

2. People who said why didn't we just go for Sydney's pick 13? Let me ask you this question, do we really need more 18 y/o and who would of you guys drafted? We have a plethora of young midfielders already going through. Note that we would of had to give up our pick 43 as well (Adelaide had to give their pick 40 to get pick 13).

3. There aren't any quality 23-27 midfielders currently in the market.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Hmmm, clearly GC not going to use a pick after 24!!

Pk 1 to GC for 2 and 24.
GC give undertaking not to take Walsh at 1.
Could that work?

 

[Duigan Alley34]

North just got 2 players for pick 11......(Polak & Pittard) ..... just saying ....

Pittard is worth peanuts, could be a handy player but holds no trade value imo

 

[PoultryinMotion]

Adelaide supporters have every right to laugh at us for paying overs for McGovern.

While we sit here and try to justify how much we paid to make ourselves feel better.

Breaking down the trade, it’s basicaly the equivalent for pick 13 for McGovern and a future round 4 pick for mcadam.

If we are considered to have paid overs for McGov it doesn’t faze me all that much as we have a quality player actually nominating us. May be a small step in the “destination club” direction.

 

[Wickzki]

Tyson maybe off the table

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/10/09/tyson-set-to-land-at-north-in-straight-preuss-swap/

That would be North's second big win.

I really don't understand the fascination with Preuss for Melbourne. Salary wise he'll be expecting more than a backup ruckman. Sure, they needed a backup ruck but can you play both of them together?

 

[Zlatan]

Success is built around being able to select players in the second and third rounds of the draft. We could have used our two state selections to target midfielders like Tim Kelly. Gone to the draft with pick 1 and 25 & 27 or trade one of them to GWS for Setterfield. Thats three midfielders we could have targeted plus Miles from Richmond to provide some solid depth. Isn't that why we have a recruiting team? We still could have gone to the Draft and gained another two midfielders inside the top 30 and not have to trade any future picks. We haven't addressed our midfield at all yet we've traded 2 picks inside 30 and two state players for MM?????

You’ll have Setterfield and Walsh in that midfield for 2019. There is still plenty of time to add further picks to our draft hand, and to get mature bodies for the midfield.

Or are you happy to bring another bunch of list cloggers into the team?

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Reckon SOS should just come thru with a late play for Polec.......... Just to see the North board fold in on itself

 

[Curnivore]

Lots of work to be done to get Setterfield, and makes you wonder whether we'll actually be interested in picking up any father & sons (will we have anything to match bids if they eventuate).

With Fasolo, MM we now have some stability.

We do need to find some mature mid... either look at say trading a Kreuzer to a Geelong/Richmond whilst in a potential window and need a bit of ruck depth would see value in it. You could get a 1st rounder from them or a player like Guthrie etc.

Kreuzer being traded won't help us unless it was to GWS who still have high quality fringe players. Until Kennedy steps up MKs inside work is the only thing helping out Cripps

 

[BOSOJSOSAGSOS]

Pk 1 to GC for 2 and 24.
GC give undertaking not to take Walsh at 1.
Could that work?

That's called draft tampering and the AFL would ream us for it.

And what's the advantage for Gold Coast if they know we're taking Walsh anyway?

 

[blue healer]

Setterfield is not a former no 1 pick.

Might need a little more than a future 2nd but only because he is contracted. Should need need much more because he hasn't played and GWS have salary cap issues.

My apologies, I did mean a former number five but, in my defence, it was a hurried post as I was still about 50 pages short and losing ground.

 

[The_JUDDERNAUT]

Pk 1 to GC for 2 and 24.
GC give undertaking not to take Walsh at 1.
Could that work?

What in this world is the potential benefit for GC here?

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Pk 1 to GC for 2 and 24.
GC give undertaking not to take Walsh at 1.
Could that work?

Replying to my own post

No it wouldn't you idiot...why would GC do that?

 

[DIG]

Total speculation but with the Cats likely to have been circling Swans pick 13, I wonder if the 40 was added to the deal to make the offer almost too good to refuse given the points improvement it gave them.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

What in this world is the potential benefit for GC here?

Yep, brainfade on my part

 

[Vo Rogue]

Shiel hurts - Only because he went to Essendon. We offered overs in money and keeping our first picks this year and next year will net us good players.
McGovern - We paid what we did to get him. We have enough kids, we wont miss those 2nd rounders and McGovern has untapped potential. Done quick enough to ensure we might be able to make a couple of moves in the next week as well.
Setterfield - Get him right and the sky is the limit.

The pieces are in place, now it is up to the club to make sure the boys start living up to potential quick enough for Cripps to make sure he sees out his career here.
Why does the sky always have to be falling. Be patient we have no other choice. IT WILL COME!!

 

[GordonBlue]

**** some people do my head in.

McGovern is not only a gun, he is what we need!

I would like to highlight this:

Round 23, we lost by over 100 points... and yet we had about a dozen more inside 50s.

We now have a forward line that consists for Curnow, McKay, McGorvern and Fasolo. That is one potent forward line. One would hope the Pickett is injury free and Garlett can pick up form and suddenly we have a perfect blend of 2 x athletic talls, 2 x Strong marking mediums and 2 x nimble smalls.

We gave away hardly anything to gain McGovern. We basically gave away the "extra" we got by demanding more for Gibbs.
Remember last year when Pick 10 + McGovern for Gibbs we were told we are dreaming. It turns out that is what we ended up getting for him.

This is a player Fremantle only a year early were offering $1m a season to come to them.

When you start kicking 100 points in a single game again, you will see what a great trade this is.

 

[Matty411]

Pk 1 to GC for 2 and 24.
GC give undertaking not to take Walsh at 1.
Could that work?

Would love us to work this in - getting back into the 2nd round and still getting our man. Lukosius is a special talent and deserves Pick 1 status but could just see Suns f***ing us and picking Walsh - so you'd want to be bloody sure and equally happy with your 2nd choice.

 

[F_therest]

Tyson maybe off the table

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/10/09/tyson-set-to-land-at-north-in-straight-preuss-swap/

Disappointing as I see him as a decent option for a cheap plan B.

There isn't many mature mids left really...we very may well not add any mature mids this off season. Setterfield doesn't count.

I'm hoping SOS can nab one.

 

[blue healer]

Pittard is worth peanuts, could be a handy player but holds no trade value imo

Well we can forget about trading Levi well.

 

[First Poster]

I can't believe Nick Dal Santo gets paid to talk about football. I don't think he even watches it. He must have naked photos of Hutchy

 

[Bostonian]

Would you have given up 26, 28 and 43 for 13? I wouldn't have.

I wouldn't have given up 2 second rounders for MM personally.

Going in with only 1 pick in the top 40 picks (as it stands) isn't a good strategy imo.

 

[Zlatan]

There will still be lesser "Tim Kelly's" available in the rookie draft if we want them. If there was a Tim Kelly clone reckon he'd have been picked up last year as well. Grigg or Bolton, or both, in the rookie draft.

We'll get Setterfield, not sure why you're acting like he's one we "could have got".

Miles was locked in with GC by the time the Shiel news dropped. Off the table.

Got blind-sided by Shiel and Essendon, and if that had happened a week ago we'd probably have been able to make some plays for other mids on the market. But with it dragging out so long, it left us (and Hawthorn) in a really shit spot.

Funny thing is 4/5 selections have been made with the state league picks, and none are midfielders. So many obvious Tim Kelly’s that the Blues and GC don’t want.

 

[thylacine60]

Success is built around being able to select players in the second and third rounds of the draft. We could have used our two state selections to target midfielders like Tim Kelly. Gone to the draft with pick 1 and 25 & 27 or trade one of them to GWS for Setterfield. Thats three midfielders we could have targeted plus Miles from Richmond to provide some solid depth. Isn't that why we have a recruiting team? We still could have gone to the Draft and gained another two midfielders inside the top 30 and not have to trade any future picks. We haven't addressed our midfield at all yet we've traded 2 picks inside 30 and two state players for MM?????

will you be bleating all of next season or just until mm shuts you up? somehow you have this magical power that tells you any players we take with these 2 precious picks are going to be guns - you have to give to get - hawthorn and geelong have shown that plenty - put the toys back in the cot and calm your farm - bad enough we missed out on ds we put up with the likes of you and your moaning crew of nongs

 

[cfc4life]

With Tyson gone, Libba/Barlow/Dunstan have to be chased.