Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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[liz]

He is certainly not wrong though, democracy certainly doesn't give 'full' freedom.

What does “full freedom” mean?

 

[faible]

What does “full freedom” mean?

I assume this is one of those arguments that democracy only works when people accept they have limits on their personal freedoms for the good of society.

If people want full freedom, they’ll very quickly be subjugated by someone bigger, meaner, stronger and/or better armed than they are.

 

[liz]

I assume this is one of those arguments that democracy only works when people accept they have limits on their personal freedoms for the good of society.

If people want full freedom, they’ll very quickly be subjugated by someone bigger, meaner, stronger and/or better armed than they are.

Human existence - or at least what we call civilisation - can’t work unless we accept our freedoms are necessarily limited.

 

[bourbons]

Whilst I still like and prefer democracy at this stage, when someone as well meaning and as high IQ as Peter Thiel puts it out like that it must give one pause to think.

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Here's a couple of things from the Australian democratic theatre that are naturally anti-freedom:
1. Gay marriage - A whopping 40% of people voted no in the plebiscite, what does this say if it passed and about the past?

I've no idea what you're talking about here. How has the freedom of a 'no' voter been impacted?

What does it say about the past? That things were different probably. Women couldn't vote once either, now that they can does that mean men have less freedom?

Bizarre.

 

[Baldur]

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I've no idea what you're talking about here. How has the freedom of a 'no' voter impacted?

What does it say about the past? That things were different probably. Women couldn't vote once either, now that they can does that mean men have less freedom?

Bizarre.

It appears many confuse freedom with license.

 

[troybe]

It was only a matter of time until she was gifted a spot in his circle. The swamp just gets deeper and deeper

 

[Satan]

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It was only a matter of time until she was gifted a spot in his circle. The swamp just gets deeper and deeper

makes his mistress closer

 

[troybe]

makes his mistress closer

Hopefully the First Lady Elonia doesn’t get jealous

 

[100action]

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I've no idea what you're talking about here. How has the freedom of a 'no' voter been impacted?

What does it say about the past? That things were different probably. Women couldn't vote once either, now that they can does that mean men have less freedom?

Bizarre.

I can't believe this needs explaining

If most people voted no, and homosexuals can not have recognised unions as a consequence, how is that a free society? This shows the democratic process isn't necessarily compatible with freedom

What on gods green earth are you talking about re freedom of no voters.

Not sure if this is because socialists have been so conditioned to think us vs them or it's just pure idiocy in general

 

[Bloods86]

I can't believe this needs explaining

If most people voted no, and homosexuals can not have recognised unions as a consequence, how is that a free society? This shows the democratic process isn't necessarily compatible with freedom

What on gods green earth are you talking about re freedom of no voters.

Not sure if this is because socialists have been so conditioned to think us vs them or it's just pure idiocy in general

I don't think you understand what freedom and democracy are, at least completely. Or at least, have misconceptions about what others think it is.

A freedom can be freedom from something, as well as freedom to do something.

Democracies will always be a balancing act between the two. No-one claims otherwise? Freedom to do what people want to do vs freedoms of others that may be impacted by that act e.g. safety, health, income.

In the case of same sex marriage, there was never a case that it harmed others, so there was a belated recognition that there was no "freedom from" to outweigh the "freedom to" (of same sex couples getting married).

There is absolutely zero governmental system that allows absolute freedom, because human nature will dictate that the freedom to do what humans want to do, will impact freedom from harm of others.

Democracy is clearly the best option however. No matter what some billionaire thinks.

 

[Bloods86]

I can't believe this needs explaining

If most people voted no, and homosexuals can not have recognised unions as a consequence, how is that a free society? This shows the democratic process isn't necessarily compatible with freedom

What on gods green earth are you talking about re freedom of no voters.

Not sure if this is because socialists have been so conditioned to think us vs them or it's just pure idiocy in general

Also, define "socialist".

 

[Not Important]

they are treating you with disdain and laughing at you, you twat.

 

[Zidane98]

What are the chances Stormy Daniels gets a position in Trump's cabinet as part of her civil settlement compo?

 

[Satan]

What are the chances Stormy Daniels gets a position in Trump's cabinet as part of her civil settlement compo?

carpet burns?

 

[bourbons]

I can't believe this needs explaining

If most people voted no, and homosexuals can not have recognised unions as a consequence, how is that a free society? This shows the democratic process isn't necessarily compatible with freedom

What on gods green earth are you talking about re freedom of no voters.

Not sure if this is because socialists have been so conditioned to think us vs them or it's just pure idiocy in general

Sorry yep misunderstood you completely. That was a kinda strange way to write it lol.

 

[Bloods86]

Sorry yep misunderstood you completely. That was a kinda strange way to write it lol.

Yeah, given their question was what if the plebiscite had passed (which it actually did). Seemed like they were bemoaning the disenfranchisement of the 40% at first.

 

[Spearman]

I don't think you understand what freedom and democracy are, at least completely. Or at least, have misconceptions about what others think it is.

A freedom can be freedom from something, as well as freedom to do something.

Democracies will always be a balancing act between the two. No-one claims otherwise? Freedom to do what people want to do vs freedoms of others that may be impacted by that act e.g. safety, health, income.

In the case of same sex marriage, there was never a case that it harmed others, so there was a belated recognition that there was no "freedom from" to outweigh the "freedom to" (of same sex couples getting married).

There is absolutely zero governmental system that allows absolute freedom, because human nature will dictate that the freedom to do what humans want to do, will impact freedom from harm of others.

Democracy is clearly the best option however. No matter what some billionaire thinks.

IIRC besides the religious bigotry, an argument against was based on taxes. Married couples can file jointly and can enjoy some breaks because they were lawfully wedded. Ironic when most those bigots' 'churches' operate tax free.

Caveat: that argument was from decades ago.

 

[NSWCROW]

" Counselor "

 

[Bloods86]

IIRC besides the religious bigotry, an argument against was based on taxes. Married couples can file jointly and can enjoy some breaks because they were lawfully wedded. Ironic when most those bigots' 'churches' operate tax free.

Caveat: that argument was from decades ago.

Sure, but as you'd agree, it's a nonsense argument. If people were concerned about other married couples getting tax breaks and it burdening everyone else, could always do away with the tax breaks altogether.

 

[magpie_marty]

Incredible,
Donald Trump on Sunday posted a new advertisement for his fragrance line, sparking outrage among critics.


Trump used a photo of President Joe Biden's wife, Jill Biden, to advertise his "Trump Perfumes & Colognes."

"I call them Fight, Fight, Fight because they represent us WINNING," Trump wrote on his own social media site, Truth Social, over the weekend. "Great Christmas gifts for the family."

 

[troybe]

President of Dirtbag Industries more like it

 

[faible]

Incredible,
Donald Trump on Sunday posted a new advertisement for his fragrance line, sparking outrage among critics.


Trump used a photo of President Joe Biden's wife, Jill Biden, to advertise his "Trump Perfumes & Colognes."

"I call them Fight, Fight, Fight because they represent us WINNING," Trump wrote on his own social media site, Truth Social, over the weekend. "Great Christmas gifts for the family."

Trump Cologne would have an earthy aroma I'm sure, reminiscent of a freshly fertilised garden perhaps.

 

[JackOutback]

Imagine being the President of the United States and still flogging fragrances, guitars, crypto, bibles like some kind of travelling con man. The imagine thinking that's the guy to represent you, the common person.

 

[DickieKnee]

Who buys this crap?

 

[Spearman]

Sure, but as you'd agree, it's a nonsense argument. If people were concerned about other married couples getting tax breaks and it burdening everyone else, could always do away with the tax breaks altogether.

Of course it was. It was ridiculous at the time. They were looking for anything they could other than from the Bible. It might even had been around the Anita Bryant crusade. That was my first exposure to poli-religo assholiness.