Player Watch #30 Tom Brown

[RJK Tiger]

I’d love to see him on a wing, I think his kicking would be a weapon.

If true then great. If he can't break into a wing position in our side in the next 6 weeks though, he is likely a bust as our wings are crap

 

[lizard man]

bc we both agree LM. lol

Great minds think alike TI

 

[Bojangles17]

Angus Sheldrick, Jacob van Rooyen, Kai Lohmann, Matthew Johnson, Josh Goater, Sam Butler, Toby Conway, Mitch Knevitt, Connor MacDonald, Jesse Motlop

These are the players taken between Tom Brown (pick 17) and Tyler Sonsie (28). Not sure any of them (apart from van Rooyen, I guess, but he feels over hyped and Dimma probably would've played him as a KPD) have shown to be any better than Brown.

Van Roy he’s the next Wayne Carey isn’t he

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to mate. I was warning people just like you, R2R and a chunk of others for 3 years the winter is coming and its going to bite hard because the club is making a series of wrong decisions based on a series of reasons that range from arrogance, ego, short-sightedness, a decline in standards caused mostly due to the leaders failing their own sniff test ( Rance, Dimma), drafting too many similar "nothing" sized players, ignoring good "long term" trade options & then finally, throwing years of stability in the fire to trade not 1, but TWO players from the same team, who play the same position, on exactly the same type of deals despite having 2 very different injury histories.

This "now" has been so ******* obvious to me that i have literally been continuing to push it despite being basically abused, called a "fake supporter", "troll" etc. The time for "spin" is well and truly over - everyone is seeing the fallout of all these things and there is nothing left to hide behind. The flags and all the people who made them, are no longer relevant. We are living with now, 3 years of some of the worst "richmond" s**t of the last 50 years. How we totally ****ed up a "unlosable" long term position post the 2019-20 GF is one of the biggest failures of the modern times. We are Hawthorn / Clarkson 2.0 when we should have been the next Geelong.

Your post is an incoherent rant that seems to have little to do with the points I was making in my post.

 

[mauricerioli]

If true then great. If he can't break into a wing position in our side in the next 6 weeks though, he is likely a bust as our wings are crap

I think he’ll make it as a backmen but we have plenty of players to choose from to play there at the moment, but as you say our wings are crap so we desperately need to try something different there.

 

[TigerImposter]

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to mate. I was warning people just like you, R2R and a chunk of others for 3 years the winter is coming and its going to bite hard because the club is making a series of wrong decisions based on a series of reasons that range from arrogance, ego, short-sightedness, a decline in standards caused mostly due to the leaders failing their own sniff test ( Rance, Dimma), drafting too many similar "nothing" sized players, ignoring good "long term" trade options & then finally, throwing years of stability in the fire to trade not 1, but TWO players from the same team, who play the same position, on exactly the same type of deals despite having 2 very different injury histories.

This "now" has been so ******* obvious to me that i have literally been continuing to push it despite being basically abused, called a "fake supporter", "troll" etc. The time for "spin" is well and truly over - everyone is seeing the fallout of all these things and there is nothing left to hide behind. The flags and all the people who made them, are no longer relevant. We are living with now, 3 years of some of the worst "richmond" s**t of the last 50 years. How we totally ****ed up a "unlosable" long term position post the 2019-20 GF is one of the biggest failures of the modern times. We are Hawthorn / Clarkson 2.0 when we should have been the next Geelong.

The club is suffering from the seven deadly sins after Dimma triggered it with lust.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Haven’t really seen much actual discussion about Browns game on the weekend
I’m pretty pleased with it considering it’s only his 2nd afl appearance

13 possies, 7 contested, 8 intercept possies

Had a few moments where he displayed his fantastic decision making and kicking with one kick into the corridor that set up a goal from memory

Good springboard to build off going forward

 

[Grrr]

What about leaving Brown where he is and moving Trezise up to the wing. He has a good all round game. Tough, quick enough, good in the air and a lefty which can be handy on the wing.

 

[tiger_tough]

What about leaving Brown where he is and moving Trezise up to the wing. He has a good all round game. Tough, quick enough, good in the air and a lefty which can be handy on the wing.

I'd love to see it. kicked it well on the weekend.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

What about leaving Brown where he is and moving Trezise up to the wing. He has a good all round game. Tough, quick enough, good in the air and a lefty which can be handy on the wing.

Brown is not a guy you waste out on a wing. Needs to learn the Vlastuin type role, where he can use his kicking skills to punishing effect.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Brown is not a guy you waste out on a wing. Needs to learn the Vlastuin type role, where he can use his kicking skills to punishing effect.

Yeah as the year progresses I wouldn’t mind seeing Vlossy pushed back into a more defensive 1st role

He’s currently playing as our spare and he’s killing it but we already know he can do it

 

[Morro]

What about leaving Brown where he is and moving Trezise up to the wing. He has a good all round game. Tough, quick enough, good in the air and a lefty which can be handy on the wing.

Almost certain Trezise started with us in the VFL on the wing.

 

[tiger_tough]

Brown is not a guy you waste out on a wing. Needs to learn the Vlastuin type role, where he can use his kicking skills to punishing effect.

The kick inside 50 is the most important kick in footy. Not sure how it would be considered a waste.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The kick inside 50 is the most important kick in footy. Not sure how it would be considered a waste.

Two reasons.

1. As a winger you are delivering from the bleachers, which makes creative kicking much more difficult.
2. You are not in the play as often so won't get as many kicks as say a centre back position like Vlastuin's role for eg.

Another point is we are led to understand by track watchers Brown is no enduro beast, so getting up and down the ground on a wing is not going to suit him at all.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Yeah as the year progresses I wouldn’t mind seeing Vlossy pushed back into a more defensive 1st role

He’s currently playing as our spare and he’s killing it but we already know he can do it

It may be the case Vlastuin will wax the intercept opportunities with Brown a bit to help Brown's development along.

 

[Growapair]

Two reasons.

1. As a winger you are delivering from the bleachers, which makes creative kicking much more difficult.
2. You are not in the play as often so won't get as many kicks as say a centre back position like Vlastuin's role for eg.

Another point is we are led to understand by track watchers Brown is no enduro beast, so getting up and down the ground on a wing is not going to suit him at all.

Spot on mate .... Banks (and Hugo) are the players that have played the best football on the wing in the VFL

... Brown was terrible and Tresize was okay AND why the hell would you be suggesting that we move these two from where they have played well in their first two games.

 

[tiger_tough]

Two reasons.

1. As a winger you are delivering from the bleachers, which makes creative kicking much more difficult.
2. You are not in the play as often so won't get as many kicks as say a centre back position like Vlastuin's role for eg.

Another point is we are led to understand by track watchers Brown is no enduro beast, so getting up and down the ground on a wing is not going to suit him at all.

1. Garbage.
2. If we had wingers that could actually kick we'd be able to use them as an outlet more.

 

[tiger_tough]

Spot on mate .... Banks (and Hugo) are the players that have played the best football on the wing in the VFL

... Brown was terrible and Tresize was okay AND why the hell would you be suggesting that we move these two from where they have played well in their first two games.

If

huh

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Spot on mate .... Banks (and Hugo) are the players that have played the best football on the wing in the VFL

... Brown was terrible and Tresize was okay AND why the hell would you be suggesting that we move these two from where they have played well in their first two games.

If

I suspect you didn't mean to type "Brown was terrible."

I agree, no need to start shifting these guys around. Brown is a longer term central defensive distributor. Trezise is a good match up for a dangerous forward as he runs well, is good in the air and is a very committed tackler. Just let them grow in those roles, there should be others more suited to patrol the wings.

 

[Growapair]

huh

Try and keep up old timer...

At VFL level Brown and Tresize both played wing and were terrible and okay respectively

Your idea to move them from the positions that have played well in their first two AFL games to positions they didn't even play well at VFL levels is ridiculous

 

[tiger_tough]

Try and keep up old timer...

At VFL level Brown and Tresize both played wing and were terrible and okay respectively

Your idea to move them from the positions that have played well in their first two AFL games to positions they didn't even play well at VFL levels is ridiculous

All good, I thought you meant on the weekend.

How long since McIntosh and Pickett have played well on a wing?

 

[Growapair]

All good, I thought you meant on the weekend.

How long since McIntosh and Pickett have played well on a wing?

I think Cappy hasnt played well on a wing since he pantsed Juddy in his debut game lol

 

[tiger_tough]

I think Cappy hasnt played well on a wing since he pantsed Juddy in his debut game lol

haha harsh. He was a perfect winger under the dynasty system. Times have changed though.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

1. Garbage.
2. If we had wingers that could actually kick we'd be able to use them as an outlet more.

The highest ranked wingers last year were Nick Martin and Mason Wood. After that you are looking at Josh Daicos, Karl Amon, and believe it or not, Jack Ross 5th.

Martin was the highest for score involvements with 5.4. Some of these guys play a bit differently, sometimes switching over with defensive forwards to slide deep to take marks near goals. So let's go with the AA winger, Nick Daicos, who was selected AA ahead of the other pair, and who plays the wing a lot more as a midfielder.

Daicos got 5.1 score involvements per game which is very high for a winger. Whitfield got 5.4 score involvements per game as a defender. Sinclair, Houston, Short, Vlastuin, Stewart, Young, Whitfield, Redman, Saad, were all running defenders with higher player ratings than Daicos. Daicos had 0.6 average goals per game and 0.3 average goal assists per game. Defenders like Sheezel, Dan Rioli and Houston, Hayden Young, Rivers and others had more goal assist than Josh Daicos playing on a wing in an AA season. Sheezel, Sinclair, Whitfield amongst others were medium defenders involved in a higher % of their team's scores than Josh Daicos.

A mountain of medium defenders had more score launches than Daicos. Really I think that will be more Brown's go, intercepting from a centre back position and setting up scoring opportunities from the back half. Most like Stewart, Vlastuin, Hayden Young of the defenders mentioned above.

Getting back to your post, if as you claim it is garbage that creative kicking is much more difficult from the wing then surely the leading winger would have more goal assists than the leading medium defenders, who play further from goal?

 

[tiger_tough]

The highest ranked wingers last year were Nick Martin and Mason Wood. After that you are looking at Josh Daicos, Karl Amon, and believe it or not, Jack Ross 5th.

Martin was the highest for score involvements with 5.4. Some of these guys play a bit differently, sometimes switching over with defensive forwards to slide deep to take marks near goals. So let's go with the AA winger, Nick Daicos, who was selected AA ahead of the other pair, and who plays the wing a lot more as a midfielder.

Daicos got 5.1 score involvements per game which is very high for a winger. Whitfield got 5.4 score involvements per game as a defender. Sinclair, Houston, Short, Vlastuin, Stewart, Young, Whitfield, Redman, Saad, were all running defenders with higher player ratings than Daicos. Daicos had 0.6 average goals per game and 0.3 average goal assists per game. Defenders like Sheezel, Dan Rioli and Houston, Hayden Young, Rivers and others had more goal assist than Josh Daicos playing on a wing in an AA season. Sheezel, Sinclair, Whitfield amongst others were medium defenders involved in a higher % of their team's scores than Josh Daicos.

A mountain of medium defenders had more score launches than Daicos. Really I think that will be more Brown's go, intercepting from a centre back position and setting up scoring opportunities from the back half. Most like Stewart, Vlastuin, Hayden Young of the defenders mentioned above.

Getting back to your post, if as you claim it is garbage that creative kicking is much more difficult from the wing then surely the leading winger would have more goal assists than the leading medium defenders, who play further from goal?

Hugh McCluggage had the 2nd most goal assists in the league last season. Nick Martin had the 11th. Mason Wood had the 32nd. I went all the way up to 50 and didn't see any half backs.

Of course defenders create more score launches.....they win the ball far back more.



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