2025 player moves - ins and outs

[Squib]

You forgot, free whitegoods, furniture, paying with a gambling account/gambling voucher, an overseas trip or maybe a fuel card. Getting the clubs cleaning contract or management of the canteen which means you need to unlock the cleaning cupboard or canteen door for the people who actually do the work. Gift cards from any business that has them. If you have a sponsor with a large business, contracts to perform work for them can be quite large. My favourite one that a lot of country club apparently do is, at the beginning of the year you are given/buy a number of calves who weigh around a 100kg. They are placed on a few supporters farms and at the end of the year or the following year when they are fully grown and weigh 900Kg +, you sell them. The difference (depending on the breed) the purchase and selling price is around $1-2K per animal.

The salary cap is only a problem for the honest clubs. The salary cap isn't the answer, there are far too many loopholes that allow avoidance.

A modified Player points system is the way to try.
It can be modified as needed. Lower total points (it hasn't changed since it started) and a longer time before they are reduced. A player from the junior club who has transfered across from another club, should be worth at least 2 points in their first year in the seniors. If they've been at their new club less that 3 years, maybe it should be greater.

I wouldn't be surprised if 25% of clubs are manipulating their

Double down on that I believe. If it’s found that any coach or official at a TAC club is pushing kids to other clubs they should be removed. The spiel that a kid needs to move clubs for a better chance of being selected is unacceptable

TAC was over 15 years ago. FYI. I agree.

 

[localfootylegend23]

Double down on that I believe. If it’s found that any coach or official at a TAC club is pushing kids to other clubs they should be removed. The spiel that a kid needs to move clubs for a better chance of being selected is unacceptable

100% happens. Or the recruiters tell the parents to move to the top division, at the very top usually blackburn, rowville or of course vermont are there. Easy choice to register them at one of those cluibs seeing half the interleague side is already there!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Two out of Nunawading to Warrandyte. Can’t be too positive

 

[localfootylegend23]

Two out of Nunawading to Warrandyte. Can’t be too positive

Nuna are cooked. I saw somewhere forest hill have big numbers, inc the 10-12 nuna tried to lock in for a new u19 side.

Fighting it out at the bottom for so long was extremely admirable.
Wonder what was the straw that broke the camels back?
A few players might've banded together plans for leaving and everyone might've caught on. Or Salanitri shut up shop and everyone flipped.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Nuna are cooked. I saw somewhere forest hill have big numbers, inc the 10-12 nuna tried to lock in for a new u19 side.

Fighting it out at the bottom for so long was extremely admirable.
Wonder what was the straw that broke the camels back?
A few players might've banded together plans for leaving and everyone might've caught on. Or Salanitri shut up shop and everyone flipped.

98th year this year so sad stuff.

Though I wonder if their women’s team may continue and keep the club alive.

 

[Glorfindel]

Though I wonder if their women’s team may continue and keep the club alive.

Thornton-Eildon managed that for a few years.

 

[Pendles1991]

Is it true that Nunawading and Forest Hill have actually merged clubs, or are Nunawading players just going to Forest Hill? Was speaking to a player from Nunawading and he seems to believe they're merging...

 

[Carn The Berries]

When loyalty is spoken about if a player is offered money at another club call it “market value” is it then not loyalty from the local club to say maybe we have been under paying you and under valuing you because you were home grown talent?? So we will match the “market value” or should it be on the player to play for under market value? (Also taking into consideration you know nothing about the players financial situation or motivation behind moving)

I'm talking about an instance where a player moves to a new club, and their points are lowered by one after just one season. I made no reference to home grown talent whatsoever.

You're arguing a point I wasn't trying to make.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Happy to be proven wrong, just not what I heard in the division 2 years.
Mentioned earlier he claimed that the new players had "links" to the club and thats why they moved. Pissing down our backs and saying its raining there. Huge cash more like it.

Is this the sort of proof you're looking for? One of my best mates holds the same role at another school in the area, and works his @rse off...

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[Nvent]

The cap certainly does help to push clubs in doing the right thing along with the points cap.

As a whole we are in a better state compared to 10 years ago regarding the money being thrown around.

Unfortunately the level of admin across leagues is pretty minimal compared to the number of clubs so you are realistically relying on clubs to do the right thing.

I’m not sure how much administrative work it would require to work out who’s fudging numbers.
All clubs are required to submit player contracts these days so there would be a substantial data base. It would be a simple check of previous payments and anomalies would jump out.

 

[Glorfindel]

I’m not sure how much administrative work it would require to work out who’s fudging numbers.
All clubs are required to submit player contracts these days so there would be a substantial data base. It would be a simple check of previous payments and anomalies would jump out.

I’d imagine proving the anomalies are related to some sort of underhand business would be a bit more difficult.

 

[eflreceiver]

If you pay a player via an alternate method that won't appear in any database as the alternate method isn't on the books.

 

[thefunnelweb]

If you pay a player via an alternate method that won't appear in any database as the alternate method isn't on the books.

Well said Matty! Premier should be capless to promote the best of the best then the other divisons happy for caps!

 

[hotchilli]

Well said Matty! Premier should be capless to promote the best of the best then the other divisons happy for caps!

It’s just not sustainable for most clubs, would do more harm then good.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

We had a capless top division, it was garbage. The clubs with the most money won it every year.

 

[eflreceiver]

Let's look at Sam Weideman, he's 1 point. His salary is not included in the salary cap as Vermont clarified that his employment outside the club is how he will be paid. Now if he went to Balywn under the same type of salary arrangement the impact is that the points increase. The point system is far more effective and has had an impact and reducing them should be on the agenda. It won't stop clubs from spending money but it has made clubs look to grow from Juniors up.

 

[Shootfromthehip]

Let's look at Sam Weideman, he's 1 point. His salary is not included in the salary cap as Vermont clarified that his employment outside the club is how he will be paid. Now if he went to Balywn under the same type of salary arrangement the impact is that the points increase. The point system is far more effective and has had an impact and reducing them should be on the agenda. It won't stop clubs from spending money but it has made clubs look to grow from Juniors up.

Vermont are over the cap , Weideman or no Weideman . 75% of clubs are . Once a club like Deer Park after 7 premierships couldn’t be caught in breach when they were 4 times the cap it was all over . Clubs just pay what they have and often more .

 

[Nvent]

Vermont are over the cap , Weideman or no Weideman . 75% of clubs are . Once a club like Deer Park after 7 premierships couldn’t be caught in breach when they were 4 times the cap it was all over . Clubs just pay what they have and often more .

Agreed and it's so obvious when it's happening. I also love when a player shops themselves around and puts a price on their head. Multiple clubs speak to him knowing the figure he wants and lets say its $1200. He then signs at a already stacked side and they declare he signed for $400. They then repeat this with 4-5 players and the surrounding clubs all know the market price and know the club can't be under the cap.

 

[eflreceiver]

Paying someone per game by employing them outside the club isn't included in the salary cap. Therefore they can't be in breach of said salary cap. I know where you are coming from but this is how the Ammo's have been operating for decades.

 

[Shootfromthehip]

Agreed and it's so obvious when it's happening. I also love when a player shops themselves around and puts a price on their head. Multiple clubs speak to him knowing the figure he wants and let’s say it’s $1200. He then signs at an already stacked side and they declare he signed for $400. They then repeat this with 4-5 players and the surrounding clubs all know the market price and know the club can't be under the cap.

Spot on . AFL Victoria either need more licence to scrutinise clubs/players/sponsors finances (which they will never have) or drop the whole charade. The sad thing is people/clubs will cheat if they think they will get away with it. That can’t be a good for anyone.

 

[Shootfromthehip]

Paying someone per game by employing them outside the club isn't included in the salary cap. Therefore they can't be in breach of said salary cap. I know where you are coming from but this is how the Ammo's have been operating for decades

Paying someone per game by employing them outside the club isn't included in the salary cap. Therefore they can't be in breach of said salary cap. I know where you are coming from but this is how the Ammo's have been operating for decades.

Are you suggesting the Ammo’s are the benchmark for everything pure? Everything the name suggests they are not.

 

[eflreceiver]

Are you suggesting the Ammo’s are the benchmark for everything pure? Everything the name suggests they are not.

ha ha, they are the do as I say not as I do people.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I think a salary cap is useful, it has certainly had an impact. Of course some will rort it.

There’s not a heap you can do but there are some things you could make a condition of taking part in a season.

- Player payments by EFT only. It’s 2025. Ban cash payments.

- Give investigators access to club bank accounts

- each club to submit a cash flow statement each year to show where the money has come in and where it has gone. To match bank account and can easily be compared to other clubs. Why are two very similar clubs taking such different cash? So few people use cash these days that it’s quite reliable.

- Players to sign a stat dec that this amount on paper is the only amount they’re receiving in exchange for playing footy. They already sign contracts, they can do this.

It just needs to be set up and monitored. It won’t be perfect, but can be improved.

 

[Nvent]

I think a salary cap is useful, it has certainly had an impact. Of course some will rort it.

There’s not a heap you can do but there are some things you could make a condition of taking part in a season.

- Player payments by EFT only. It’s 2025. Ban cash payments.

- Give investigators access to club bank accounts

- each club to submit a cash flow statement each year to show where the money has come in and where it has gone. To match bank account and can easily be compared to other clubs. Why are two very similar clubs taking such different cash? So few people use cash these days that it’s quite reliable.

- Players to sign a stat dec that this amount on paper is the only amount they’re receiving in exchange for playing footy. They already sign contracts, they can do this.

It just needs to be set up and monitored. It won’t be perfect, but can be improved.

Agree on most but again when you have clubs that have just say a supporters group that pays players outside of the club it takes the proverbial. Club officials using phrases such as he's the highest paid player on our books is also alarming. The salary cap only catches out honest clubs and its pretty much if it looks like a duck kwaks like a duck and walks like a duck.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Agree on most but again when you have clubs that have just say a supporters group that pays players outside of the club it takes the proverbial. Club officials using phrases such as he's the highest paid player on our books is also alarming. The salary cap only catches out honest clubs and its pretty much if it looks like a duck kwaks like a duck and walks like a duck.

Well there’s not much if you have a supporters group - except the players signing a stat dec that they’re not being paid anything like that.

Make them lie about it legally. Might not work but it’s something. Combined with other measures.