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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's a bit of that, and a bit of the fact SANFL clubs don't have the development resources those in the eastern states have

The SANFL clubs have supposedly been developing them fine up to U16 level with these same lack of resources

I do think there's an element of accelerated learning in SA because our population is centralised in Adelaide (90% of our population or something similar is in the metro and surrounding area)

So it's easier for us to identify our most talented players early. Whereas bigger states with more large regional areas have the talent spread far and wide. Takes longer for the best players to emerge and be identified and pooled together.

 

[Tex Danger]

The SANFL clubs have supposedly been developing them fine up to U16 level with these same lack of resources

I do think there's an element of accelerated learning in SA because our population is centralised in Adelaide (90% of our population or something similar is in the metro and surrounding area)

So it's easier for us to identify our most talented players early. Whereas bigger states with more large regional areas have the talent spread far and wide. Takes longer for the best players to emerge and be identified and pooled together.

It’s also the age level that underage training becomes higher level and “more professional” so the natural talent and general junior coaching may get them there in the earlier stages but as the Vic kids start having enhanced facilities, increased training Frequencies and under the states too junior coaches it extracts the difference

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It’s also the age level that underage training becomes higher level and “more professional” so the natural talent and general junior coaching may get them there in the earlier stages but as the Vic kids start having enhanced facilities, increased training Frequencies and under the states too junior coaches it extracts the difference

Are Vic (or WA) Under 18s really training more often than our guys? Are the facilities much different? Surely population is the single biggest factor.

 

[AFC979810]

Are Vic (or WA) Under 18s really training more often than our guys? Are the facilities much different? Surely population is the single biggest factor.

Population - Vic 6.9 million, WA 2.9million, SA 1.8 million. No Point in including the rugby states or irrelevant tassie.

So for the sake of argument lets say its 7 million, 3 million and 2 million. So if we look at the first 24 picks of the last 10 drafts - for every 7 vic players drafted there should be 3 from WA and 2 from SA.

With the top 240 players taken over the past 10 years - If you estimate that about 10% of players will come from the rugby states and tassie - the players taken by state (according to population) should be approximately 126 from Victoria, 54 from WA and 36 from SA with 24 from outta state.

2024 - 20 Vic, 2 WA, 1 SA, 1 QLD
2023 - 15 VIC, 3 WA, 2 SA, 3 QLD, 1 NSW
2022 - 15 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA, 1 QLD
2021 - 16 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA
2020 - 15 VIC, 3 WA, 4 SA, 1 QLD, 1 NSW
2019 - 15 VIC, 4 WA, 4 SA, 1 NEAFL
2018 - 14 VIC, 2 WA, 5 SA, 2 Tassie, 1 QLD, 1 NSW
2017 - 16 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA
2016 - 16 VIC, 4 WA, 1 SA, 1 QLD, 2 NSW
2015 - 14 VIC, 1 WA, 3 SA, 2 QLD, 3 NSW, 1 TAS

Vic - 156 players taken
WA - 34 players taken
SA - 29 players taken
Outta Staters - 22 players taken.

I know its a small sample size, but to me this suggests that it isn't population alone and we do have a bit of a problem with development, but WA has a much worse problem.

 

[Tex Danger]

Population - Vic 6.9 million, WA 2.9million, SA 1.8 million. No Point in including the rugby states or irrelevant tassie.

So for the sake of argument lets say its 7 million, 3 million and 2 million. So if we look at the first 24 picks of the last 10 drafts - for every 7 vic players drafted there should be 3 from WA and 2 from SA.

With the top 240 players taken over the past 10 years - If you estimate that about 10% of players will come from the rugby states and tassie - the players taken by state (according to population) should be approximately 126 from Victoria, 54 from WA and 36 from SA with 24 from outta state.

2024 - 20 Vic, 2 WA, 1 SA, 1 QLD
2023 - 15 VIC, 3 WA, 2 SA, 3 QLD, 1 NSW
2022 - 15 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA, 1 QLD
2021 - 16 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA
2020 - 15 VIC, 3 WA, 4 SA, 1 QLD, 1 NSW
2019 - 15 VIC, 4 WA, 4 SA, 1 NEAFL
2018 - 14 VIC, 2 WA, 5 SA, 2 Tassie, 1 QLD, 1 NSW
2017 - 16 VIC, 5 WA, 3 SA
2016 - 16 VIC, 4 WA, 1 SA, 1 QLD, 2 NSW
2015 - 14 VIC, 1 WA, 3 SA, 2 QLD, 3 NSW, 1 TAS

Vic - 156 players taken
WA - 34 players taken
SA - 29 players taken
Outta Staters - 22 players taken.

I know its a small sample size, but to me this suggests that it isn't population alone and we do have a bit of a problem with development, but WA has a much worse problem.

Bigger based on population but outcome for the afl clubs is bigger problem for SA teams (marginally) as they’re still producing more

 

[Cromulant]

Are Vic (or WA) Under 18s really training more often than our guys? Are the facilities much different? Surely population is the single biggest factor.

The Vic kids are, I think you were a bit disingenuous with your response really.

Those Talent League clubs are there solely for the development of junior players, whereas SANFL clubs goals are entirely different.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The Vic kids are, I think you were a bit disingenuous with your response really.

Those Talent League clubs are there solely for the development of junior players, whereas SANFL clubs goals are entirely different.

I doubt they're training more. There's only so many hours in the day and kids still have school no matter which state they live in. I doubt the facilities are much different either. Maybe they are

I'd love to know the differences in coaching resources, if there are any. Maybe I'm wrong and it's chalk and cheese

I'd also love to hear from someone involved at an SANFL club about how the $50k per draftee generated got taken away a number of years ago. I believe now the money generated just goes into a pool and is shared evenly by all SANFL clubs which seems very wrong to me.

 

[AFC979810]

Bigger based on population but outcome for the afl clubs is bigger problem for SA teams (marginally) as they’re still producing more

Sorry mate - not really following there.

 

[1970crow]

Is he auditioning (given there’s no list spot) or was it convenient there’s a player moving to SA who has been on an AFL list and so used to those training standards who could be offered a training spot

Not so much about auditioning but benefit to us being having a fringe AFL level for Rick training and benefit to him being he gets an afl preseason and while not a formal audition it still gives him an outside chance if he impresses enough

That seems more likely to me than us asking us to train with any likely expectation of a list spot

Wouldn't we be better off getting ruck training into the most likely backup in the event ROB goes down too?