List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Diehard Saint]

Tunstill from the Brisbane Lions. 21 year old mid from WA originally. Looks like he'll struggle to jump into the Lions side anytime soon. Averaging around 30 touches a week in the vfl.

Harry Rowston 20 year old mid from GWS.

Brayden Fiorini averages 37 touches and 147 FA score in the VFL.

Henry Hustwaite who has been mentioned a bit.

Donovan Toohey who is a VFL kid who uses the ball well and averaging over 30 touches a week and 116 fa points over 4 matches.

Joel Trudgeon still unlucky to not have been given a run.

The club should be paying you to scout for them.

No sarcasm. Dead serious. Over the years I’ve noticed you’ve mentioned quite a few players we should be looking at, and many of them have turned out very well.

Go offer your services!

 

[Diehard Saint]

Continue to celebrate players instead of premierships.

You don’t get premierships by trading away all your very good young players.
Older players - possibly. Those who won’t be in a possible premiership team.
But not the likes of NAS and Pou .
The whole idea is to get more of them.

 

[stfan]

Zaine Cordy

Pectoral

3 months

Hopefully the Club will place Cordy onto the LTI list so we can take a player in the mid season draft.

He will not be extended for next season anyway.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Yea but trading our captain would be bad for "our culture" so doubt it happens

Its been said by journos and itks here that we see Bergman as a mid and I back the judgement of SOS Gubby. There are some similarities to other players who've made the same role change imo

Our club has seen every flanker in the comp as a mid for the past 20+ years and it's not worked out once. I remember hearing that the Clarke brothers and Sam Gilbert will all end up in the midfield. We've been told the same story ever since with different names.

 

[joydivision22]

Our club has seen every flanker in the comp as a mid for the past 20+ years and it's not worked out once. I remember hearing that the Clarke brothers and Sam Gilbert will all end up in the midfield. We've been told the same story ever since with different names.

Eventually it will happen though and every numpty on here will cry genius

 

[botts]

Tunstill from the Brisbane Lions. 21 year old mid from WA originally. Looks like he'll struggle to jump into the Lions side anytime soon. Averaging around 30 touches a week in the vfl.

Harry Rowston 20 year old mid from GWS.

Brayden Fiorini averages 37 touches and 147 FA score in the VFL.

Henry Hustwaite who has been mentioned a bit.

Donovan Toohey who is a VFL kid who uses the ball well and averaging over 30 touches a week and 116 fa points over 4 matches.

Joel Trudgeon still unlucky to not have been given a run.

Hustwaite. Wanted him instead of hotton in his draft year. Peninsula boy and a saints supporter. Get it done

 

[pebblesofsand]

I see Cordy now listed as 3 months so that's end of July at the earliest before he'd be available even if needed. So maybe available for the last 4 to 6 weeks of the season at best.

OOC at the end of the year so you'd think LTI listing before the mid season draft is almost a certainty.

Mid, defender, fwd ???

I see Liam McMahon kicked another 4 on the weekend.

 

[beside the seaside]

How do you know he won't be a star? Is Ed Richards a star yet? He's got 4 more seasons on Windy and really stepped up last season to be in AA form this year. Windy averages a lot more possessions and leads nearly every stat at the same age. His stats look a lot like Butters at the same age.

Basically our weird age holes mean that the guys that would now be absolutely prime are not on the list and the ones that are are King, Clark, Henry, Byrnes, Dow, Stocker, Sharman etc. Snags is the only one stepping up so far. A lot just can't get on the park.

We have plenty of good kids, adding more will pay off in 5 years but we need reinforcements now.

You're right, there's probably just a nervousness there with our kids because there's so much on their shoulders given our lack of mid-age quality players as you said. Windy has had some good games this year, I'm going to chill out on expecting him to be A grade and just see what happens.

 

[botts]

I see Cordy now listed as 3 months so that's end of July at the earliest before he'd be available even if needed. So maybe available for the last 4 to 6 weeks of the season at best.

OOC at the end of the year so you'd think LTI listing before the mid season draft is almost a certainty.

Mid, defender, fwd ???

I see Liam McMahon kicked another 4 on the weekend.

Floyd brumesister. (Not the right spelling). Get him. 199cm key forward. Killing it in the ctl

 

[The Punter]

How do you know he won't be a star? Is Ed Richards a star yet? He's got 4 more seasons on Windy and really stepped up last season to be in AA form this year. Windy averages a lot more possessions and leads nearly every stat at the same age. His stats look a lot like Butters at the same age.

Basically our weird age holes mean that the guys that would now be absolutely prime are not on the list and the ones that are are King, Clark, Henry, Byrnes, Dow, Stocker, Sharman etc. Snags is the only one stepping up so far. A lot just can't get on the park.

We have plenty of good kids, adding more will pay off in 5 years but we need reinforcements now.

I wasn't being critical of Windhager. I was pushing back on the expectation among many that every player should be a star, and if they don't, they are a "list clogger" and should be moved on or dispensed with. For this see Byrnes, R. Windy is better than Byrnes, but you get my point.

Is it a disaster if Windy is not a star? Of course not. He continues to improve and premiership teams are replete with players at his level. I understand why the reaction to last Sunday has taken place but that one game changes little.

 

[Joffaboy]

You must be going senile as you forgot Sharman as well.

The only ones I would keep would be Marshall, Steele and Cordy, trade the rest of the list.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Our club has seen every flanker in the comp as a mid for the past 20+ years and it's not worked out once. I remember hearing that the Clarke brothers and Sam Gilbert will all end up in the midfield. We've been told the same story ever since with different names.

Jason Gram another.

 

[Xxxx66]

I see Cordy now listed as 3 months so that's end of July at the earliest before he'd be available even if needed. So maybe available for the last 4 to 6 weeks of the season at best.

OOC at the end of the year so you'd think LTI listing before the mid season draft is almost a certainty.

Mid, defender, fwd ???

I see Liam McMahon kicked another 4 on the weekend.

What about Brook Crossley's boy?

 

[stfan]

Arie could maybe play Half forward flank or Wing. And kick goals from outside 50.

He is too slow and not good defensively to play back.

In the Dogs game his lack of pace was very evident.

The problem is for Arie in today's brand of football (quick ball movement based on running, and running in support) is that if you are slow, that you have to be very good at reading the game to make up for it. ie Say as an intercept marker.

Wilkie is short and not is not super quick, but he reads the ball better than most, and is smart in how he times and contests the mark. Wilkie these days is also quite a smart kicker.

It is still earlydays yet, but so far he is not displaying that he is a smart player. Hopefully more VFL/AFL football will improve his football game. Over the next preseason he might want to find a sprint coach to try and get a bit quicker.

Right here and now I would rate Arie as less likely to make it than make it. Hopefully, at present he has perhaps not worked on the other aspects of his game enough as he focused on his naturally good kicking and can improve the other aspects of his game. Sharman for example exhibited naturally good leading patterns combined with an accurate shot on goal, but needed to improve other aspects of his game which he has.

AFL is now a short kick game, especially when the team doesn't have dominate tall forwards.

Aries strength/weapon is his long kick,

Yes it is long, and sometimes accurate. Too often though they seem to be more roosts and not smart kicks to a team mate in space (Though I think we all remember his first kick at AFL level which was a mm perfect long launch to Butler in space and hoped that would be what we would regularly get rom Arie.

doesn't seem to have much else other than he can accumulate the ball.

Though what concerns is that a lot of that is players seeking to get the ball to him due to his long kicking.
But we need accurate kicking not just long licking, as demonstrated by Woody on the Saints TV Channel shorter kicks are much more likely to have us retaining the ball. And hence also then more likely to move the ball from end to end.




Aire was no alone in the Dogs game in this. Hill for example several times had the ball the ball running and chose instead of taking the more effective shorter kick toa team mate in space, chose to kick it long toa contest instead which never ended well.


The inherent problem with a long kick too is that with the ball being in flight longer that it also gives the opposition more time to get to where the ball is going to, and so if the ball is not being kicked such that the target can run into space to receive it that the target will often have a player leaping into them spoiling the ball and knocking them over, or even outmarking them.

 

[stfan]

You're right, there's probably just a nervousness there with our kids because there's so much on their shoulders given our lack of mid-age quality players as you said.

It is not just our lack of mid-age quality players, is that this is combined with a lack of good older players who look like remaining very good into their 30's. Even GWS now has a lot of talent who are 30 or older.

Many of the contenders have some older stars who help to make them competitive.

In terms of aged 30 or more we have Sinclair and Macrae.

Hill only tends to play well when the team is playing well. When the pressure is on he goes to water.

Wilkie will certainly be in that club next year. Marshall I think will be as I think he is playing injured.

Steele I have great doubts on.

Webster looks like it will be his last season.




So it is quite vital that the Club does actually land some very good mid-aged players in the next trading period. Otherwise we are really relying on youth, and history shows that is a very hard, and very long, road to succeed with. And probably moreso these days as talent players lose patience and jump to other ships.

 

[The Punter]

Probably worth a look at who is out of contract a quarter of the way through the season and their prospects:

Absolutely re-sign: NWM, Windhager, Hall
Likely to get another contract at this stage: Byrnes, Schoemaker, Stocker
Would want to get moving: Howard, Keeler, Carroll, Heath, Jones, O'Connell
Too early to tell: Webster
Probably not getting another contract: Boyd, McLennan, Cordy

 

[burntsnag]

It is not just our lack of mid-age quality players, is that this is combined with a lack of good older players who look like remaining very good into their 30's. Even GWS now has a lot of talent who are 30 or older.

Many of the contenders have some older stars who help to make them competitive.

In terms of aged 30 or more we have Sinclair and Macrae.

Hill only tends to play well when the team is playing well. When the pressure is on he goes to water.

Wilkie will certainly be in that club next year. Marshall I think will be as I think he is playing injured.

Steele I have great doubts on.

Webster looks like it will be his last season.

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So it is quite vital that the Club does actually land some very good mid-aged players in the next trading period. Otherwise we are really relying on youth, and history shows that is a very hard, and very long, road to succeed with. And probably moreso these days as talent players lose patience and jump to other ships.

Honestly thought Webster was a 200 plus gamer.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

What about Brook Crossley's boy?

Haha I wrote this song a couple of years ago when we were continually picking up second rate has-beens as backup rucks. Actually references Todd Goldstein and Goober (and Goober's mum of course ). Fast forward a few years and Goldstein's now Essendons first ruck and they're talking about picking up Crossley in the MSD!

Could be an easy rewrite to take the piss outta the bombers.

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[sasaint]

Hunter’s TOG never gets to 70%. He just doesn't have the tank. Would get a game at North… maybe.

Coff - at dogs and not doing anything. Next pick after Coff was Naughton.

Just shows how important it was to toiss Trout and his team and bring in new recruiters. I think the current recruiting team has been excellent so far.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Fast forward a few years and Goldstein's now Essendons first ruck and they're talking about picking up Crossley in the MSD!

Is Hirdy back at the Hangar?

 

[akaifu]

I see Cordy now listed as 3 months so that's end of July at the earliest before he'd be available even if needed. So maybe available for the last 4 to 6 weeks of the season at best.

OOC at the end of the year so you'd think LTI listing before the mid season draft is almost a certainty.

Mid, defender, fwd ???

I see Liam McMahon kicked another 4 on the weekend.

I like McMahon too. 198cm so can give a ruck chopout and keep Caminiti in the backline

Did an SSP trial in pre-season with another club and got really close

He'd be playing in the AFL side this weekend if he was on our list imo

 

[mighty_sainters]

Collingwood will go hard for Ben King

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Ben King

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.5

4star

T

0.5

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

7.5

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.2

3star

G

1.0

4star

according to Cal Twomey.

Hopefully we have our hat in the ring still.

 

[stfan]

Honestly thought Webster was a 200 plus gamer.

He has had a lot of injuries. He has certainly been good enough to have been a 200+ gamer.

 

[stfan]

Collingwood will go hard for Ben King according to Cal Twomey.

Massive upgrade for them over Cox.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Probably worth a look at who is out of contract a quarter of the way through the season and their prospects:

Absolutely re-sign: NWM, Windhager, Hall
Likely to get another contract at this stage: Byrnes, Schoemaker, Stocker
Would want to get moving: Howard, Keeler, Carroll, Heath, Jones, O'Connell
Too early to tell: Webster
Probably not getting another contract: Boyd, McLennan, Cordy

If Heath can show something, Boyd should be gone.
That’s why we have to give the bloke a go - and it appears on the back of good form in the vfl. Let’s see if we’ve got another ruck worth keeping.