List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Teflon]

Wanna know how to solve our midfield woes right now?

Zac Jones out (forever)
Hastie to half back.
Nas on the ball with Phillipou and Macrae/Hugo/Steele/Windhager.

Steele out till fit
Can’t carry passengers in there
I’d give stocker Boxhaul and Clark when for a run

 

[burntsnag]

You don't get sacasism?

What I don't get is the immature like thinking regarding player movement with our players.

Players are now looking at player movement as a business more then ever, clubs like Geelong and Sydney always have.

Fans need to catch up and realise the loyalty and being a one club player are just about over.

I love Pou and Nas as much as any saints supporter but if a club offered us extreme overs for one of them I'd take it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I was crucified last year for suggesting we trade marshall for a first rounder, because " don't trade elite players" as well as Steele.

Yet here we are 6 months later wanting trade them both when their value is at its lowest.

Port are really good at trading players when they have peaked or about to decline. We on the other hold till they have no value.

These are the type of trades that must be done to go from a middle tier to top 4. Yes there is risk but there is with everything.

It depends if we land his replacement though.
Not sure if TDK was even on the radar last year.

 

[Teflon]

196cm is plenty tall for a KPD. Weitering, Taylor 196cm. Smaller than 195cm you need to be bloody good.

I think Caminiti is tall enough to make it as a first 22 KPD.

I thought Caminiti was doing a superb job on Darcy before he went down tbh

 

[ScrappyDo]

Middle is the worst place to be

You're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

 

[Joffaboy]

What I don't get is the immature like thinking regarding player movement with our players.

Players are now looking at player movement as a business more then ever, clubs like Geelong and Sydney always have.

Fans need to catch up and realise the loyalty and being a one club player are just about over.

I love Pou and Nas as much as any saints supporter but if a club offered us extreme overs for one of them I'd take it.

Agreed, need to look at Travaglia and Tauru as well.

 

[maanco]

Could Arie play in the forward half? I’m not entirely convinced he will make it as a defender. I know early days, but seems to be a player that doesn’t have his preferred playing position for the team cemented down yet.

Defensive game still needs a lot of work.

Arie could maybe play Half forward flank or Wing. And kick goals from outside 50.

His too slow and not good defensively to play back.

AFL is now a short kick game, especially when the team doesn't have dominate tall forwards.

Aries strength/weapon is his long kick, doesn't seem to have much else other than he can accumulate the ball.

 

[burntsnag]

Agreed, need to look at Travaglia and Tauru as well.

Continue to celebrate players instead of premierships.

 

[Saint Ray]

Arie could maybe play Half forward flank or Wing. And kick goals from outside 50.

His too slow and not good defensively to play back.

AFL is now a short kick game, especially when the team doesn't have dominate tall forwards.

Aries strength/weapon is his long kick, doesn't seem to have much else other than he can accumulate the ball.

Can get the ball and can kick it accurately over long distances. What more could you wish for?

 

[Sheepey]

Brayden Fiorini

8

Brayden Fiorini

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.9

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

9.1

5star

M

4.7

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

16.3

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.2

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

4.2

5star

CL

3.2

5star

is killing it for the Suns VFL with consecutive games of 43 disposals. Wonder if we'd consider looking in as he'd be a bargain get and unlikely to crack into a stacked Suns midfield. 27 though so not a spring chicken

 

[akaifu]

Brayden Fiorini is killing it for the Suns VFL with consecutive games of 43 disposals. Wonder if we'd consider looking in as he'd be a bargain get and unlikely to crack into a stacked Suns midfield. 27 though so not a spring chicken

I would avoid players that turn the ball over and don’t run defensively

 

[stfan]

Not sure if TDK was even on the radar last year.

If we keep rolling out efforts like we put up against the Dogs he will not be on our radar this season either.

 

[Joffaboy]

Continue to celebrate players instead of premierships.

We need to look at Owens, Windy and Collard as well.

 

[jwikked]

If we keep rolling out efforts like we put up against the Dogs he will not be on our radar this season either.

It sounds like his choice is St Kilda or Carlton. They aren't exactly going anywhere, in fact, I'd say they were hoping to be playing in a Premiership this year. They're closer to a rebuild.

 

[SaintsofSteel]

It sounds like his choice is St Kilda or Carlton. They aren't exactly going anywhere, in fact, I'd say they were hoping to be playing in a Premiership this year. They're closer to a rebuild.

Carlton have again been unlucky with injuries and player availablity and lets face it Voss is a smuck of a senior coach. However their current lack of depth is the result of past poor financial list management that wasnt Voss's fault. They have/had far too many under performing players on huge money and consequently have had to release back bone type players. As a result they now rely far too heavily on the few stars they have.

Although if I was coming into senior coaching and looking at both lists or clubs I would chose Carlton over us - Walsh 24yo, TDK 25yo, McKay & Weitering 27yo, Curnow 28yo, Cripps 30yo. Then they have some very good kids on the list and to be added, the bones are there and there is plenty of time for them to challenge. The biggest short fall on Carlton's lists is small and medium goal kickers ala the Collingwood brigade.

If they hang onto TDK and get some added goal kickers in they could surprise. They will have Jagga Smith and FS Cody Walker, Charlie Beaumont and Harry Dean added to the list next year. Their biggest hurdle is they basically traded all this years draft capital grabbing Jagga, but I am guessing Walker will be bid on early this year.

 

[burntsnag]

We need to look at Owens, Windy and Collard as well.

Ok boomer.

 

[70s sainter]

I was crucified last year for suggesting we trade marshall for a first rounder, because " don't trade elite players" as well as Steele.

Yet here we are 6 months later wanting trade them both when their value is at its lowest.

Port are really good at trading players when they have peaked or about to decline. We on the other hold till they have no value.

These are the type of trades that must be done to go from a middle tier to top 4. Yes there is risk but there is with everything.

At the time we had

Ben Hobbs comes to mind but I don't think he's the type of mid we need unless Steele goes - a bit slow

Henry Hustwaite 194cm inside mid who'll probably play now that Nash will be suspended. Good chance to have a look at him

I also love the look of Zac Taylor as a speedy mid/fwd, he has some class and won't get into that Adelaide midfield with their stars + Draper

We'll probably see more as the season goes on. I wonder if we pursue Charlie Edwards as an ex-Sandy dragon who doesnt look close to getting a game for Adelaide

HustWaite is tearing it up in the seconds. Would be pretty hard to get hm out of there . He’s supposed to be a pendlebury clone . Although he is from mornington way. His mum taught my daughter at school.
Not sure how long he’s contracted for.

 

[Diehard Saint]

What I don't get is the immature like thinking regarding player movement with our players.

Players are now looking at player movement as a business more then ever, clubs like Geelong and Sydney always have.

Fans need to catch up and realise the loyalty and being a one club player are just about over.

I love Pou and Nas as much as any saints supporter but if a club offered us extreme overs for one of them I'd take it.

What?
And start again with a draft pick who may not be anywhere near as good as the two of them.
Basically a nursery for other teams.
You don’t trade out young stars.

 

[gringo2011]

The Windy question should actually be a wider one: what do we expect from our midfield soldiers? Windy is not going to be a star, and to be fair, for pick 47 perhaps we shouldn't expect him to be one. He's increased his disposal average in every season. He had 25 and 2 goals, with 2 goal assists against Geelong. He had 21 disposals on Sunday and I couldn't remember him touching the ball.

So what do we expect or require from our non-stars?

BTW, Garcia got shown what is required from the original version on Sunday. I don't have any worries about Garcia, but he has a way to go yet. FWIW, Garcia was pick 50.

How do you know he won't be a star? Is Ed Richards a star yet? He's got 4 more seasons on Windy and really stepped up last season to be in AA form this year. Windy averages a lot more possessions and leads nearly every stat at the same age. His stats look a lot like Butters at the same age.

Basically our weird age holes mean that the guys that would now be absolutely prime are not on the list and the ones that are are King, Clark, Henry, Byrnes, Dow, Stocker, Sharman etc. Snags is the only one stepping up so far. A lot just can't get on the park.

We have plenty of good kids, adding more will pay off in 5 years but we need reinforcements now.

 

[wannabewinner]

I mean if Hunter wasn't perennially injured he'd be in the 23 so I wouldn't call that a total fail

Coff was probably the wrong call but he's another who got ruined by injury

Hunter’s TOG never gets to 70%. He just doesn't have the tank. Would get a game at North… maybe.

Coff - at dogs and not doing anything. Next pick after Coff was Naughton.

 

[gringo2011]

I’m not too worried about the back line going forward once we get Howard back and caminiti develops with tauru and Barrett development in the 2s
Midfield wise who is this years Jye Caldwell, Sam Flanders.?
Surely if you look at the best midfield teams there has to be 3rd or 4th in line waiting for regular midfield time .
They would slot straight into ours .
Tdk would be a great pickup not only for ruck and forward presence but we desperately need someone floating up the wing taking that grab to keep the ball heading our way . We have no one doing that at all at the moment

Tunstill from the Brisbane Lions. 21 year old mid from WA originally. Looks like he'll struggle to jump into the Lions side anytime soon. Averaging around 30 touches a week in the vfl.

Harry Rowston 20 year old mid from GWS.

Brayden Fiorini averages 37 touches and 147 FA score in the VFL.

Henry Hustwaite who has been mentioned a bit.

Donovan Toohey who is a VFL kid who uses the ball well and averaging over 30 touches a week and 116 fa points over 4 matches.

Joel Trudgeon still unlucky to not have been given a run.

 

[Joffaboy]

Ok boomer.

Also King, Henry and Higgins as well.

 

[gringo2011]

Middle is the worst place to be

Middle with no scope for improvement is the worst place to be. Sitting mid table with a super young side with injury mostly to our mid career players while kids have stepped up pretty well is actually quite a good spot to be. If we were at capacity maxed out at mid table, we'd be screwed.

 

[gringo2011]

What I don't get is the immature like thinking regarding player movement with our players.

Players are now looking at player movement as a business more then ever, clubs like Geelong and Sydney always have.

Fans need to catch up and realise the loyalty and being a one club player are just about over.

I love Pou and Nas as much as any saints supporter but if a club offered us extreme overs for one of them I'd take it.

Why? To go to the draft and hope to find a kid as good again?

 

[Nutsngum]

Also King, Henry and Higgins as well.

You must be going senile as you forgot Sharman as well.