List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[rustycrate]

So reaching in the second round is ok?

It’s amazing Beatson still has a job let alone other rival clubs looking to poach him. He should focus on reaches in the second round and beyond apparently.

I still don't know what the definition of reaching is except for spurious comments by LukeParkerNo1 which make no sense.

Reaching. LOL. What is it?

I reckon, but I could be wrong, it is dissatisfaction by Bigfooty posters with a Swans draft pick at least 2 years in hindsight that they look on Wikipedia and compare to what player they could have got that is playing better now than the Swans pick.

That is my definition of a reach based upon no one on here telling me different.

 

[Kbroome]

I still don't know what the definition of reaching is except for spurious comments by LukeParkerNo1 which make no sense.

Reaching. LOL. What is it?

I reckon, but I could be wrong, it is dissatisfaction by Bigfooty posters with a Swans draft pick at least 2 years in hindsight that they look on Wikipedia and compare to what player they could have got that is playing better now than the Swans pick.

That is my definition of a reach based upon no one on here telling me different.

Yep its just confirmation bias, think of all the rookie picks or even the pickup of JJ etc you don't need to grab a smash pick every draft with your first rounder.

Only thing I will say is when we pick up a Academy player in the first round they always seem to be quality

 

[SSwans2011]

Leek Aleer gettable for us?
Would we be prepared to us a future pick while we’re in our P window?

Even if we had the cash, I can't imagine we'll have the list spots available if we take all 3 academy boys (unless there's some harsh delistings).

 

[Kbroome]

Even if we had the cash, I can't imagine we'll have the list spots available if we take all 3 academy boys (unless there's some harsh delistings).

Surely Paton, Leidler, Kirk, Rampe (retiring) Sheldrick/Mitchell

 

[Cadsky]

They're also talking $900,000 for 6 years for a bloke who's played 12 career games. Thats just ****ing crazy money.

 

[joeykanga]

Surely Paton, Leidler, Kirk, Rampe (retiring) Sheldrick/Mitchell

I see Paton and Mutchell like you. Doesn't Leidler get 2 years as a draftee. And I'm not so sure about who else ?

 

[Wheresbuddy]

I see Paton and Mutchell like you. Doesn't Leidler get 2 years as a draftee. And I'm not so sure about who else ?

Leidler picked up in rookie draft

 

[Wheresbuddy]

We have 17 players (including Chad) off contract this year. I think if we wanted to pick up 3 academy players plus a couple of others we can make room. Would definitely make room for Leek - he will be a star once given a regular AFL start.

 

[SGBeach]

Surely Paton, Leidler, Kirk, Rampe (retiring) Sheldrick/Mitchell

How many tall defenders can one list carry?
Melican, McCartin, (Blakey), Hamling, Francis, Snell, Edwards, Riak - thats 7 not including Blakey.
Depending on the development of Snell, Riak and Edwards (Is one or two ready for senior footy in '26), I would think that Francis' days are numbered, maybe even Hamling?

McCartin might start playing more forward to open up a spot especially considering we've only 4 tall forwards (Amartey, McDonald, McLean, Buller), but if Edwards, Snell or Riak start pushing for selection, Our 'depth' tall defenders in Francis and/or Hamling will be nervous.

ps.. One (of many) reasons I think Hamling played forward in the VFL was to develop Edwards and Snell

 

[Kbroome]

How many tall defenders can one list carry?
Melican, McCartin, (Blakey), Hamling, Francis, Snell, Edwards, Riak - thats 7 not including Blakey.
Depending on the development of Snell, Riak and Edwards (Is one or two ready for senior footy in '26), I would think that Francis' days are numbered, maybe even Hamling?

McCartin might start playing more forward to open up a spot especially considering we've only 4 tall forwards (Amartey, McDonald, McLean, Buller), but if Edwards, Snell or Riak start pushing for selection, Our 'depth' tall defenders in Francis and/or Hamling will be nervous.

ps.. One (of many) reasons I think Hamling played forward in the VFL was to develop Edwards and Snell

True we are probably finally done with Francis. I hesitated to put Francis on the list and then did the same with Hamling so probably Francis deserves to go

 

[Bloods86]

How many tall defenders can one list carry?
Melican, McCartin, (Blakey), Hamling, Francis, Snell, Edwards, Riak - thats 7 not including Blakey.
Depending on the development of Snell, Riak and Edwards (Is one or two ready for senior footy in '26), I would think that Francis' days are numbered, maybe even Hamling?

McCartin might start playing more forward to open up a spot especially considering we've only 4 tall forwards (Amartey, McDonald, McLean, Buller), but if Edwards, Snell or Riak start pushing for selection, Our 'depth' tall defenders in Francis and/or Hamling will be nervous.

ps.. One (of many) reasons I think Hamling played forward in the VFL was to develop Edwards and Snell

We've had 7 in previous years and it's actually been too few, given durability and experience of players. We've had patches where we have to use Blakey (please no) or go in short. Obviously Snell and Edwards are getting to the point where experience should be less of an issue.

Rampe I think goes too, and maybe Francis, unless he can push ahead of Hamling again.

But then even keeping Hamling, his age means he shouldn't really be considered a factor in deciding not to bring in a draftee etc.

And unless we see Edwards, Snell solidify themselves as future senior players, we probably also have to look at alternatives. They're tracking ok though at this stage.

Probably see the need to bring in at least 1, maybe 2, to offset losses and maintain at least 7 on the list.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

West Coast must SURELY be trying to offload Tim Kelly.

Here’s hoping it’s not part of a Chad deal.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

West Coast must SURELY be trying to offload Tim Kelly.

Here’s hoping it’s not part of a Chad deal.

Here's not hoping we go anywhere near Kelly, sorry to be blunt but it's been how long since he's played well? His Geelong days are well past him. Cooked and worse...he can't play another position, we already have Adams doo we need another one that can really only play one position and it's debatable he's even good as the primary mid, the Cats days he had Selwood etc being the no1, he was fantastic playing the 2nd/3rd string

If we do trade Chad and it's a big if and I'll let every single other bloke discuss that okay...but I'd rather target a younger option. Would Elijah Hewett be even interested? He'd be one I'd be interested in. Probably realistically take their Oscar Allen comp (lets say pick 3-4) plus their f1 with Warner and our F2 coming back, something like that who knows.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So reaching in the second round is ok?

It’s amazing Beatson still has a job let alone other rival clubs looking to poach him. He should focus on reaches in the second round and beyond apparently.

If your plan is to reach though, and I actually have zero problem with it (despite many on here thinking I just bag the recruiters for doing it), on the proviso you've traded back, banked an extra pick as safety. So for instance if you are reaching at pick 16, trade back to 23/24, get an extra second rounder, you'll likely get the guy you are reaching for at 23/24, and then have a pick in the 30's (the extra second) on top.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Surely Paton, Leidler, Kirk, Rampe (retiring) Sheldrick/Mitchell

Francis has to go, surely, please no more Francis, this year is bad enough with the too many talls we have there.

I'd be shopping Sheldrick around unless he commands a genuine best 22 spot, he might so I'm on the fence there.

The rest yeah agree, wouldn't be against keeping Kirk as a rookie if he continues to improve

 

[Bloods86]

If your plan is to reach though, and I actually have zero problem with it (despite many on here thinking I just bag the recruiters for doing it), on the proviso you've traded back, banked an extra pick as safety. So for instance if you are reaching at pick 16, trade back to 23/24, get an extra second rounder, you'll likely get the guy you are reaching for at 23/24, and then have a pick in the 30's (the extra second) on top.

I'm not opposed to this in principle, but you may not get any takers, or might miss the targeted player at that later pick, so you've likely given up some value to get a trade over the line, and not the outcome you wanted.

And just because we don't see it, doesn't mean this option hasn't been considered/explored.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm not opposed to this in principle, but you may not get any takers or miss the targeted player at that later pick, so you've likely given up some value to get a trade over the line, and not the outcome you wanted.

Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean this option hasn't been considered/explored.

As long as they actually consider it and TRY to trade back that's actually all I ask, and clubs are always looking to get a couple of spots, I mean to trade up 1-2 spots in the first the going rate was a second (at least). I'm not saying trade from 16 all the way to 30, that's asking for trouble, but just a few spots back so 20 ish no later than 24 that's probably the furthest back personally. If they come out and say we tried to trade back there were no takers, that's actually fine.

 

[rustycrate]

West Coast must SURELY be trying to offload Tim Kelly.

Here’s hoping it’s not part of a Chad deal.

Who is Tim Kelly?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Who is Tim Kelly?

Some WAFL player lol

 

[Ballarat Bob]

Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

went back west for family reasons can't see him packing up and heading to Sydney unless things have changed massively.

 

[rustycrate]

Tim Kelly went back west for family reasons can't see him packing up and heading to Sydney unless things have changed massively.

Dunkley said he would only play for us if he was drafted by an interstate club. Wanted to play in Melbourne.
Where is he now?

 

[Caj]

I still don't know what the definition of reaching is except for spurious comments by LukeParkerNo1 which make no sense.

Reaching. LOL. What is it?

I reckon, but I could be wrong, it is dissatisfaction by Bigfooty posters with a Swans draft pick at least 2 years in hindsight that they look on Wikipedia and compare to what player they could have got that is playing better now than the Swans pick.

That is my definition of a reach based upon no one on here telling me different.

Is English your first language?

 

[Jeffers]

Any tall forwards we can poach that can take a contested mark?

 

[TasSixer]

Any tall forwards we can poach that can take a contested mark?

Preferably just someone that can extend their arms further than their elbow

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Any tall forwards we can poach that can take a contested mark?

We don’t have the capital unless Chad leaves