List Mgmt. 2025 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Proper Gander]

Clubs are just so bloody passive tbh. In some hypothetical scenario where he did crack it and decide to leave. As unpopular as it would have been and as big a media bullshit as it would have been, I still think we could have come out of it ahead.

In the same way that Carlton would never ever trade out McKay to solve issues because clubs refuse to be proactive, almost no club outside of Collingwood when they did their salary cap save and had Treloar crying on tv even though he ****ed over GWS almost no club pro actively tries to improve. They just sit with their cards their dealt and hope it works.

Actually I recall McKay more or less went “holy shit no - not them” when he got wind of that media invented trade to facilitate the Trac move.

I do think there is a real fear of managers though, and I sometimes wonder whether our Australian law might interfere with the forced trades that you see in some overseas sports? We all talk about the price that an opposing team will need to fork out for a contracted player who wants to move, but I can’t imagine a contract devised between a club and player that wouldn’t ask for a serious penalty from their club that pushes them out.

 

[Topkent]

Actually I recall McKay more or less went “holy shit no - not them” when he got wind of that media invented trade to facilitate the Trac move.

I do think there is a real fear of managers though, and I sometimes wonder whether our Australian law might interfere with the forced trades that you see in some overseas sports? We all talk about the price that an opposing team will need to fork out for a contracted player who wants to move, but I can’t imagine a contract devised between a club and player that wouldn’t ask for a serious penalty from their club that pushes them out.

I'm not directly saying McKay to us. I'm saying Carlton have an extra tall forward, they are weak in defence and maybe outside mid. No ****ing chance in hell would they ever try and trade McKay out to bring in the actual players the need. Only players make trades, clubs never risk making a mistake by pushing someone out.

 

[Proper Gander]

I'm not directly saying McKay to us. I'm saying Carlton have an extra tall forward, they are weak in defence and maybe outside mid. No ****ing chance in hell would they ever try and trade McKay out to bring in the actual players the need. Only players make trades, clubs never risk making a mistake by pushing someone out.

Yes as an example McKay a good one. And when he was up for a new contract (2020 I think) they should have been more creative. But they seem to be much like us. They think player-by-player when they should be thinking team based movement. They’ve got a small brigade now that is worse than ours minus Koz, a tall that can’t mark when his confidence is even slightly impaired and a game-plan that makes their team composition look even worse than it is. And achieved with the help of two coaches that were fabulous players in themselves.

They’re quite a lot like us. If Cripps starts publicly talking about a move, we could just merge and nobody would notice.

 

[danster168]

How is Tim Lamb still in a job. Tim Membrey is there for free and we don't even make a play. For a team lacking in key forwards it makes no sense.

 

[markm106]

Oliver is a gun. No one knew he was going to fall off the rails after he signed that contract. If we didn't secure him long term he would have looked elsewhere.

Brayshaw was a bit silly because of his concussion history, but no one could have seen him retiring early. Again, if he wasn't extended he would have looked elsewhere.

Long term contracts are here to stay, we have just been a bit unlucky.

Yep 100%. Player managers use other clubs to secure longer more expensive deals for their clients. Most of the players won’t leave but clubs are basically forced into playing overs.

 

[Topkent]

If some flog on bigfooty knows it's just leverage the club's aren't really forced to pay it are they

 

[Crusty Demon]

Oliver is a gun. No one knew he was going to fall off the rails after he signed that contract. If we didn't secure him long term he would have looked elsewhere.

Brayshaw was a bit silly because of his concussion history, but no one could have seen him retiring early. Again, if he wasn't extended he would have looked elsewhere.

Long term contracts are here to stay, we have just been a bit unlucky.

The club including Lamb knew exactly what Oliver was like off field. Club admitted it. Both contracts were fn woeful and has burnt the club badly. Horrible list management.

 

[Lord Nev]

How is Tim Lamb still in a job. Tim Membrey is there for free and we don't even make a play. For a team lacking in key forwards it makes no sense.

Fullarton, Jefferson, Kentfield, Turner, Petty & McDonald (as options), JVR, Johnson - We're not a team lacking in key forwards, we're a team lacking in A grade key forwards. Do you class Membrey as an A grade key forward?

 

[Bluelegs]

There is something to be said that for how much player power has increased we seem to have been the only club in recent years to knock back multiple contracted players requests to leave. For better or worse.

 

[Lord Nev]

The club including Lamb knew exactly what Oliver was like off field. Club admitted it. Both contracts were fn woeful and has burnt the club badly. Horrible list management.

Yet another misrepresentation by you.

The club 'admitted' Oliver has always needed to be managed in some way - It didn't stop him from being a 4x BnF winner, 3x AA and 2x AFLCA winner though. Clearly the relationship breakup and his falling apart after that was another level and sent him spiraling. That happened 18 months after the contract extension.

At the time it made complete sense, he was a current AA, AFLCA and BnF player when he re-signed.

 

[Crusty Demon]

There is something to be said that for how much player power has increased we seem to have been the only club in recent years to knock back multiple contracted players requests to leave. For better or worse.

I kind of get holding onto Trac. He's our best player and an absolute pro. Kozzy i can understand for now as we have no other player like him and our forwardline is God awful already. Clarry is the one. As much as I love what he's done on field, and still want him to succeed, bizarre we didn't find a way to move him with all the issues he's caused. Petty the other one I guess. Poor list management not moving him on for the price that was offered. Could have traded him, got like a Battle from Saints and moved on.

Hawks moved on some quality and got some trade pieces and put games into young kids. Look where they are now. Is it Goodys fault? Lambs? Perts? No idea, but I know who the list manager is and I feel hes done a poor job. Todd Viney set our premiership list up that got us a flag. Lamb has done f* all.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Yet another misrepresentation by you.

The club 'admitted' Oliver has always needed to be managed in some way - It didn't stop him from being a 4x BnF winner, 3x AA and 2x AFLCA winner though. Clearly the relationship breakup and his falling apart after that was another level and sent him spiraling. That happened 18 months after the contract extension.

At the time it made complete sense, he was a current AA, AFLCA and BnF player when he re-signed.

How is it a misrepresentation? The club knew exactly what he was like. Yet offered him a s* load of $$ and a ridiculously long contract. If he got bullied into the contract by Oliver's manager, then Lamb shouldn't be in this position at the club. If Lamb had no idea what he was like off field, then that's a whole other concern from our list manager. It's not unlucky, it's poor management from Pert, Goody and Lamb. Are you seriously suggesting no one at the club knew wtf he was up to off field?

 

[Lord Nev]

Todd Viney set our premiership list up that got us a flag. Lamb has done f* all.

Same Todd Viney that was in charge when we took Toumpas?

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

How is Tim Lamb still in a job. Tim Membrey is there for free and we don't even make a play. For a team lacking in key forwards it makes no sense.

lol, Tim Membrey playing in our forward line is a different proposition to the Pies. We'd be calling him shit and saying it was another terrible deal after 4 weeks.

 

[Lord Nev]

How is it a misrepresentation? The club knew exactly what he was like. Yet offered him a s* load of $$ and a ridiculously long contract. If Lamb had no idea what he was like off field, then that's a whole other concern from our list manager. It's not unlucky, it's poor management from Pert, Goody and Lamb. Are you seriously suggesting no one at the club knew wtf he was up to off field?

It's a misrepresentation because the issues starting at the end of 2023 were completely different to the ones before that.

You've either misunderstood or deliberately tried to mislead on that. You're doing it again in this post above 'It's either this or that...' What? Because you say so?

 

[Topkent]

I don't even hate Membrey he's a good solid hybrid sort of tall who would kick 30 odd goals. Absolutely not the guy we should be targeting in any way at all

 

[Crusty Demon]

Same Todd Viney that was in charge when we took Toumpas?

Not even Cats have 100% hit rate. Drafting is a little different as that is JT'S baby.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I don't even hate Membrey he's a good solid hybrid sort of tall who would kick 30 odd goals. Absolutely not the guy we should be targeting in any way at all

Same, always liked him as a player but I have zero doubt he'd be ****ing awful in our F50. The guy would be back in a deep depression again within a month playing Goody ball.

 

[Lord Nev]

Not even Cats have 100% hit rate. Drafting is a little different as that is JT'S baby.

Tell me who was in charge of our drafting in 2012 mate...

 

[Topkent]

Same, always liked him as a player but I have zero doubt he'd be ****ing awful in our F50. The guy would be back in a deep depression again within a month playing Goody ball.

Yeah if it's 2021 and we could get him instead of I'd do it in a heartbeat but a mid 30s bloke playing for a side who probably doesn't make the 8 makes no sense especially when he blocks the path for Johnson or Jefferson

 

[Crusty Demon]

It's a misrepresentation because the issues starting at the end of 2023 were completely different to the ones before that.

You've either misunderstood or deliberately tried to mislead on that. You're doing it again in this post above 'It's either this or that...' What? Because you say so?

I disagree. So the Dogs are only accountable for JUH''s issues from this offseason? That's rubbish. Same with Oliver, he's had known issues for quite some time. It's like saying West Coast only are accountable for Ben Cousins behaviour since that swim in the river. What BS. Clubs know what these guys are up to. If they are playing well or winning premierships they turn a blind eye. Dees knew what Clarry was like lol

 

[danster168]

Fullarton, Jefferson, Kentfield, Turner, Petty & McDonald (as options), JVR, Johnson - We're not a team lacking in key forwards, we're a team lacking in A grade key forwards. Do you class Membrey as an A grade key forward?

Fair call Lord Nev. He's definitely not A grade. But he's B grade. And better than most on that list outside of jVR and Turner.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Tell me who was in charge of our drafting in 2012 mate...

NFI. I couldn't give a s* about 2012 lol.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Fullarton, Jefferson, Kentfield, Turner, Petty & McDonald (as options), JVR, Johnson - We're not a team lacking in key forwards, we're a team lacking in A grade key forwards. Do you class Membrey as an A grade key forward?

Yep, we're overstocked with tall timber. Not all are Elite in fact.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Fair call Lord Nev. He's definitely not A grade. But he's B grade. And better than most on that list outside of jVR and Turner.

Dees were rumoured to be into Membrey. He's a good player, but do you really think we needed another ok tall forward on our list? Especially when he's the wrong side of 30 and has had some off field issues himself.