List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread

[King Corey]

Edit: will update if ppl happy for this to sticky

Ok starting the hit list of names mentioned in any rumour as linked to us for 2023 trade period.

• Mac Andrew
• Hunter Clark
• Zac Fisher
• Sam Flanders
• Mitch Georgiades
• Liam Henry
• Dougal Howard
• Lewis Melican
• Jack Silvagni
• Dylan Stephens
• Adam Tomlinson

 

[The Nostradamus]

port have Kane Farrell

6

Kane Farrell

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

259.5

4star

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

259.5

4star

D

9.6

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

and Dylan Williams both out of contract

Get 1 of them cheaply, both great kicks

 

[Roosurgence]

port have Kane Farrell and Dylan Williams both out of contract

Get 1 of them cheaply, both great kicks

We aren’t going to pry out players who are getting games.

 

[JGreezy]

I’ll continue to say it until my face turns blue, but two picks inside the top 30 every year is not going to get us out of this monumental ******* hole we are in.

I don’t know how we do it but we need 3/4 picks inside the top 30. It’s the only way we are going to get enough class on the list to actually improve.

Free agency isn’t an option because guns won’t want to come here and there is no point us picking up fringe or delisted players when we never seem to improve them.

Unless they are KP’s every player we draft next year has to have above average pace and has to have endurance. Athletically we are just not up to it.

Yes, we don't quite have enough upper class talent but we really have a massive void in the middle class (I'm not smart enough to do a comparison to the US economy or something). We have a lot of players who could maybe be fringe players on a premiership contender.

LDU, Wardlaw, Sheezel, maybe Thomas and have high end ability for their positions. Larkey could be a good key forward. The problem is that guys like Zurhaar, Scott and Simpkin are easily in our best 10 players but would be fringe players on a great side.

We're missing about 8-10 players in the middle there. Especially if McKay leaves.

Maybe Powell, Phillips, Goater, George, Comben, Curtis types improve into those roles but they are a long way off.

 

[zoomba23]

Need to be looking at young defenders that are stuck in teams with a strong back six who would shift for games. I’m not talking shitmen, but young players with potential.

Buy low and sell high.

Adelaide have shown you don’t need top end draft picks to form a competitive back 6.

For non key defenders, Answerth from Brisbane is just a blatantly obvious candidate. From Vic, 23 games last year in a prelim final team, don't think he's played a game this year. Stuck behind a glut of flanker types. Don't know much about his kicking, but I really rate his defence

 

[shinboner magic]

port have Kane Farrell and Dylan Williams both out of contract

Get 1 of them cheaply, both great kicks

Not happening unless we offer huge money to move from a top 2 side to a bottom 2 side

Need to target guys not getting games

 

[Shermanator]

Michael Jordan premiership player from Melbourne is having a down year (in and out of the team) after averaging 21 touches in his second year. Might be handy off half back and probably cost us a pick in the 30's.

DRAFT NOTES
Jordon’s strengths lie on the outside at this point, with a penetrating kick seeing teammates look for him by hand to deliver the ball inside 50. It’s no wonder why they trust him with that responsibility either, with Jordan’s sound decision making and booming boot making him dangerous going forward.

 

[shinboner magic]

Michael Jordan premiership player from Melbourne is having a down year (in and out of the team) after averaging 21 touches in his second year. Might be handy off half back and probably cost us a pick in the 30's.

DRAFT NOTES
Jordon’s strengths lie on the outside at this point, with a penetrating kick seeing teammates look for him by hand to deliver the ball inside 50. It’s no wonder why they trust him with that responsibility either, with Jordan’s sound decision making and booming boot making him dangerous going forward.

Michael??

Wrong sport and to old

 

[Shermanator]

Michael??

Wrong sport and to old

Sorry I meant Chris Jordan..

 

[zoomba23]

Michael Jordan premiership player from Melbourne is having a down year (in and out of the team) after averaging 21 touches in his second year. Might be handy off half back and probably cost us a pick in the 30's.

DRAFT NOTES
Jordon’s strengths lie on the outside at this point, with a penetrating kick seeing teammates look for him by hand to deliver the ball inside 50. It’s no wonder why they trust him with that responsibility either, with Jordan’s sound decision making and booming boot making him dangerous going forward.

More of a wingman from what I've seen. And I don't recollect a huge amount of pace. We aren't really in a position to be picking and choosing though I spose

 

[Shermanator]

More of a wingman from what I've seen. And I don't recollect a huge amount of pace. We aren't really in a position to be picking and choosing though I spose

I've seen him play a couple of times and he looks good in a super side (everyone does) but maybe he's a Darcy Tucker type maybe?

If that's the case we've already got one of them..

 

[Themanbun]

It doesn't have to be a fringe bloke from a gun club, although that helps.

Markov was delisted by GC and is now doing well for Collingwood. Keays wasn't just fringe, he was delisted and is now of the better mids in the comp. Lyons is another one who was delisted and became a good player elsewhere. Mason Wood

32

Mason Wood

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.3

2star

D

8.3

2star

K

2.7

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

for one closer to home.

We need to get better at identifying those traits that make someone capable of success in a different environment.

 

[zoomba23]

I've seen him play a couple of times and he looks good in a super side (everyone does) but maybe he's a Darcy Tucker type maybe?

If that's the case we've already got one of them..

That description you posted above suggests he's above Tucker for disposal, and I reckon there aren't too many things that move slower than Tucker either. I remember in his first season he was a sure bet onfield for SuperCoach, which means he passed CD's arbitrary test of competence. Might go full nuffie and find some vision of him to see how his pace is. **** knows we need some outside run

 

[JGreezy]

It doesn't have to be a fringe bloke from a gun club, although that helps.

Markov was delisted by GC and is now doing well for Collingwood. Keays wasn't just fringe, he was delisted and is now of the better mids in the comp. Lyons is another one who was delisted and became a good player elsewhere. Mason Wood for one closer to home.

We need to get better at identifying those traits that make someone capable of success in a different environment.

Do I need to rewatch moneyball for the 5th time?

 

[Shermanator]

Do I need to rewatch moneyball for the 5th time?

Glenn Luff likes this

 

[XU1-ROO]

FA helps teams where plays want to go to. Like to see something different that may help lower teams with cap space and want to build quicker through the draft. On trade a player
eg. GWS give Whitfield+ pick 9 to North for salary dump.
Then North on trade Whitfield to Saints for 2nd.
North gain a 1st rd + 2nd rd pick for a salary dump.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

James Jordan, Bailey Williams, Noah Answerth

43

Noah Answerth

Age

25

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

208.9

3star

D

15.0

4star

K

15.0

5star

HB

0.0

1star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

357.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

179.2

3star

are three really solid role players who we should be targeting this year.

 

[hoffseason gains]

James Jordan, Bailey Williams, Noah Answerth are three really solid role players who we should be targeting this year.

I also would put out there Jack Ross, one of those jack of all trades master of none types. Has done a real apprenticeship at the Tiges, seems a good character. A bit of speed & worked on the tank and has very neat foot skills. Goes in hard too. Could be a nice addition to our backline. OOC.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I also would put out there Jack Ross, one of those jack of all trades master of none types. Has done a real apprenticeship at the Tiges, seems a good character. A bit of speed & worked on the tank and has very neat foot skills. Goes in hard too. Could be a nice addition to our backline. OOC.

I like the way Ross goes about it. From my understanding he wants midfield minutes though?

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

I also would put out there Jack Ross, one of those jack of all trades master of none types. Has done a real apprenticeship at the Tiges, seems a good character. A bit of speed & worked on the tank and has very neat foot skills. Goes in hard too. Could be a nice addition to our backline. OOC.

We don’t need world beaters with trades of 3rd rounders.

We do need reliable, relatively smart players who can win a 50/50 contest more often than not, know where to run defensively and can reliably kick and handball the footy.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Ben Paton & Tom Highmore from the Saints would also be good options. Highmore (mentioned earlier) more of an interceptor who is behind Wilkie, while Paton is a lockdown small defender who has done some really good jobs on elite small forwards in the past.

 

[Themanbun]

It doesn't have to be a fringe bloke from a gun club, although that helps.

Markov was delisted by GC and is now doing well for Collingwood. Keays wasn't just fringe, he was delisted and is now of the better mids in the comp. Lyons is another one who was delisted and became a good player elsewhere. Mason Wood for one closer to home.

We need to get better at identifying those traits that make someone capable of success in a different environment.

Just to follow myself up on this.

Collingwood's back seven last night:

Jeremy Howe: Pick #33. Collingwood as part of that three way trade gave up two blokes that weren't getting games in the 22. So probably even cheaper than the #33 he went to Melbourne for.

Darcy Moore: Pick #9.

Brayden Maynard: Pick #30.

Oleg Markov: as discussed above, picked up as a delistee.

Nathan Murphy: Pick #39.

John Noble: MSD rookie.

Billy Frampton: originally a pick in the 80s, Collingwood got him for a future third.

Compare that to ours:

Aiden Corr: pick #14 (we got him as a FA)

Griffin Logue: pick #8 (we paid a second rounder)

Ben McKay: Pick #21

Jack Ziebell: Pick #9

Miller Bergman: Pick #38

Luke McDonald: Pick #8

And I can't remember who our 7th was.

Collingwood as premiership favourites have 1 first rounder, 2 late second rounders, a third rounder, a pick in the 80s and a MSD rookie and a delistee lining up.

Yesterday we had four first rounders, an early second, and a late third lining up.

Moral of the story: We don't need to pay up big to get a premiership defence but if our talent managers and developers keep doing what they're doing then we'll have to stuff every 22 spot with a top 10 draft pick to be competitive again, let alone contending for a flag. And that's just not feasible.

 

[Star]

Ben Paton & Tom Highmore from the Saints would also be good options. Highmore (mentioned earlier) more of an interceptor who is behind Wilkie, while Paton is a lockdown small defender who has done some really good jobs on elite small forwards in the past.

+1 for Highmore. Had a massive VFL season and way too good for that level. I did think the same about Marty Hore though.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Just to follow myself up on this.

Collingwood's back seven last night:

Jeremy Howe: Pick #33. Collingwood as part of that three way trade gave up two blokes that weren't getting games in the 22. So probably even cheaper than the #33 he went to Melbourne for.

Darcy Moore: Pick #9.

Brayden Maynard: Pick #30.

Oleg Markov: as discussed above, picked up as a delistee.

Nathan Murphy: Pick #39.

John Noble: MSD rookie.

Billy Frampton: originally a pick in the 80s, Collingwood got him for a future third.

Compare that to ours:

Aiden Corr: pick #14 (we got him as a FA)

Griffin Logue: pick #8 (we paid a second rounder)

Ben McKay: Pick #21

Jack Ziebell: Pick #9

Miller Bergman: Pick #38

Luke McDonald: Pick #8

And I can't remember who our 7th was.

Collingwood as premiership favourites have 1 first rounder, 2 late second rounders, a third rounder, a pick in the 80s and a MSD rookie and a delistee lining up.

Yesterday we had four first rounders, an early second, and a late third lining up.

Moral of the story: We don't need to pay up big to get a premiership defence but if our talent managers and developers keep doing what they're doing then we'll have to stuff every 22 spot with a top 10 draft pick to be competitive again, let alone contending for a flag. And that's just not feasible.

All comes down to development.

Our development is terrible and it has been for over 20 years.

McDonald & Ziebell are perfect examples of that. Neither have ever been able to take their game to the next level.

 

[Shermanator]

Let's hope like buggary this bloke knows what he's doing..

North Melbourne has appointed a new national recruiting manager, six months after three of the recruiting and list management staff departed the club.

Will Thursfield

Will Thursfield

Age

38

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.0

3star

was announced in the role on Thursday after a five-year stint as recruiting officer at Richmond.

Thursfield played 77 senior games for the Tigers between 2005 and 2011.

 

[Psicosis]

It doesn't have to be a fringe bloke from a gun club, although that helps.

Markov was delisted by GC and is now doing well for Collingwood. Keays wasn't just fringe, he was delisted and is now of the better mids in the comp. Lyons is another one who was delisted and became a good player elsewhere. Mason Wood for one closer to home.

We need to get better at identifying those traits that make someone capable of success in a different environment.

Whilst I agree TMB, I think it’s important why these guys work out. They are identified based on traits that fit into a good system.

We saw what Mason was in our “system”. Players like Markov would be Pittard 2.0 if we picked him up in the past.

We haven’t had a good/consistent system for 6 years. Hopefully now we are clear on our system and what we need.