List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[Colby Cheer Squad]

Port pick down to the GWS(Richmond) pick with us taking a big chunk of salary seems like an easy deal to do for me.

That might be a little bit optimistic.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Yeah we should be all in on the Haynes salary dump

Even if he is cooked just get that top 10 draft pick

 

[Sphynx]

Thats in conflict to what Twoomey has stated.

 

[HBFlanker]

You've got North playing Santa well before Xmas and Gold Coast making out like bandits in this deal. Gold Coast would receive a 71% draft points premium to let go of a pick they don't want to hang on to. That would be mind-blowingly dumb, particularly as we can also offer them the points benefit of not bidding on their Academy players. North doesn't have to throw the kitchen sink at trading up the order in the draft. We shouldn't throw all our eggs in one basket and also need to explore Geelong's pick #7/8 and potentially also WB's pick #10/11 if it is traded to the Suns.

Theres 8 standout players in this draft, 7 of which North could potentially obtain.

Reid
Walter
Caddy
Duursma
Curtin
Mckercher
Sanders
Watson

I dont really care what happens after that, unless its landing O'Sullivan, the KPD

 

[Harris 10]

That might be a little bit optimistic.

If you're trying to clear $1.2mil of cap space I think it's a pretty fair deal.

Clearing that space sets up their cap for years to come by allowing them to front load some of the wages of Kelly, Cogs, Greene etc.

 

[r00boy96]

Theres 8 standout players in this draft, 7 of which North could potentially obtain.

Reid
Walter
Caddy
Duursma
Curtin
Mckercher
Sanders
Watson

I dont really care what happens after that, unless its landing O'Sullivan, the KPD

7?! This thread is getting wilder by the page.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Yeah we should be all in on the Haynes salary dump

Even if he is cooked just get that top 10 draft pick

Wouldn't think there'd be a pick attached if they're paying a lot of salary.

 

[Harris 10]

Thats in conflict to what Twoomey has stated.

And exactly not what's happened in the past.

Brad would be across what's required you would think.

 

[Sphynx]

Theres 8 standout players in this draft, 7 of which North could potentially obtain.

Reid
Walter
Caddy
Duursma
Curtin
Mckercher
Sanders
Watson

I dont really care what happens after that, unless its landing O'Sullivan, the KPD

Swap Caddy with Read and you are right.

Caddy belongs in the O'Sullivan, Rodgers, Wilson and Leake group imo.

 

[giantroo]

 

[The Nostradamus]

Wouldn't think there'd be a pick attached if they're paying a lot of salary.

I would then try negotiate to pay all his salary to get the pick included

 

[Sphynx]

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The interesting line there for me is "if the deal is in the top five per cent of contracts for that year"

That should technically exclude the CBA rises.

 

[ferball]

It's the consequences of that year that we're still recovering from - I blame the board, not Scott; when the top-up strategy had exhausted itself in 2015-16 (Waite, del Santo, Higgins), he should never have been allowed to attempt it a second time.

A governance failure.

I don't really think this is accurate. Losing Maj before the 2019 season started is a sliding door that and we'll never see what would have happened if he'd been healthy and played in 2019. I think we could have been a better side than we were in 2015-16 after that. We didn't defy expectations in 2018 because we were a side full of spuds, it was because we got value out of our players in ways we hadn't beforehand.

I guess part of the issue that year was our reliance on Ben Jacobs, who lost a career to the failure of umpires to protect players. But aside from that our post Brad season in 2019 was alot better than anything since and that was with his players and game plan. If Maj was there too and the trauma of his issues hadn't happened to him (and the rest of the side) then we'd have been stronger that year.

I'm glad Brad's gone and I think where we are now is a good place to build from (better than we'd have ever had otherwise,) but there were some very average sides dominate in that 2018 - 2020 period. Its one of those things we'll never know I guess. I think it was worth a shot until the end of 2020 (from a post 2016 perspective, not knowing covid or Maj's thing would happen.)

I also think Scott had flaws as a coach that would have probably prevented us winning a flag but I'm not 100% on that. Either way we'd be in about the same position now having just bottomed out.

But we might not have Clarko, Sheeze and Warlord. Or Will Phillips who i think will prove to be a gun player.

 

[ferball]

Dylan Stephens = The Thomas

Been done mate.

 

[ferball]

Clayton Oliver - The Twist

Claytons Oliver = The player you're trading when you're not trading a player.

 

[HBFlanker]

Swap Caddy with Read and you are right.

Caddy belongs in the O'Sullivan, Rodgers, Wilson and Leake group imo.

Potentially yeah

 

[hilly]

The interesting line there for me is "if the deal is in the top five per cent of contracts for that year"

That should technically exclude the CBA rises.

Yes, think mentioned somewhere the other day.

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[big_e]

The interesting line there for me is "if the deal is in the top five per cent of contracts for that year"

That should technically exclude the CBA rises.

It later says compensation is based on the player's average salary. Are they contradictory, or am I reading it wrong?

 

[kool kangas]

Yeah we should be all in on the Haynes salary dump

Even if he is cooked just get that top 10 draft pick

Maybe trade off 2024 #19 to GWS for pick 7 plus Haynes salary dump,

Then pick#14 and 2023 pick#19 for Gold Coast for pick#5..

Then offer a F2 plus 2024 #19 to Geelong for their #8.

Finishing with 2,3,5,7,8... and #40

Then dont do anything else and use these picks. Let West Coast decide who they pick and then we take the rest..

 

[big_e]

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This also says the AFL has "no discretion", with "all compensation based on a strict formula".

But previously they've said that if the "formula produces a materially anomalous result, [a] committee may recommend alternative compensation to the General Counsel of the AFL."

 

[Harris 10]

How does this look?

North out 2, 3 and 14
North in 1, 6 and Haynes and (plus salary)

GWS
Out 6 and Flynn
in 14 and 34

WC
out 1 and 34
in 2, 3 and Flynn


Personally, I think we just forget about 1 and try and get another pick inside 10 to go with 2, 3 and then take it to the draft.

 

[pupstar]

Pretty convinced that Brad is not aiming for a flag.

Brad is aiming for a finals win and a contract extension.

personally, while I know that the finals loss streak is a pure thing of beauty, I would happily see them get a first week of finals win followed by a 3 year extension for Brad.

Him there is incredibly unlikely to achieve them the ultimate success and while he keeps topping up it will take them years to unpick once they cut him out.

Don't all clubs top up . Not sure he is on his own with that.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

How does this look?

North out 2, 3 and 14
North in 1, 6 and Haynes and (plus salary)

GWS
Out 6 and Flynn
in 14 and 34

WC
out 1 and 34
in 2, 6 and Flynn


Personally, I think we just forget about 1 and try and get another pick inside 10 to go with 2, 3 and then take it to the draft.

It looks like North and WCE both get pick 6, which seems awkward.

 

[Harris 10]

It looks like North and WCE both get pick 6, which seems awkward.

Changed it, knew i'd stuff it up.

 

[New_Roo]

Thats in conflict to what Twoomey has stated.

I was always of the belief that the clubs offering were told just before


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