Traded 2018 Live Trade: Carlton trade #4 (2019) to Adelaide for #19 (2018) and #9 (2019)

[Pea Nut]

Well, it's not technically their 2021 pick at that point.

If Carlton finish 15th, you get their 2019 pick.

The point is, with those protections in place you wouldn't do the deal. Huge risk with very little reward. Only one club stands to win. The trade could easily end up upside down and one club giving up a draft pick for nothing. As it stands it's still high risk, but there is a high reward if it comes off.

 

[Pykie]

The point is, with those protections in place you wouldn't do the deal. Huge risk with very little reward. Only one club stands to win. The trade could easily end up upside down and one club giving up a draft pick for nothing. As it stands it's still high risk, but there is a high reward if it comes off.

I think you guys have become too accustomed to this trade, it was ridiculous overs at the time and nothing has changed. Pick 4 is still a huge carrot, especially for a pick downgrade.

I'm actually not sure most clubs trade #4 for say #10 & #19 in most drafts.

It can obviously work the other way, but the NBA keeps these safeguards in for a reason.


We can enjoy dancing on Carltons grave, but the only reason this isn't destroying them, is because other than a small resurgence in the middle they've been near the bottom and amassing top picks for 15+ years.

If this was North or Sydney to some extent (Not as relevant seeing as they have been gifted Heeney, Mills and Blakey) in this situation, it would set back a rebuild for years.

 

[Pea Nut]

I think you guys have become too accustomed to this trade, it was ridiculous overs at the time and nothing has changed. Pick 4 is still a huge carrot, especially for a pick downgrade.

I'm actually not sure most clubs trade #4 for say #10 & #19 in most drafts.

It can obviously work the other way, but the NBA keeps these safeguards in for a reason.


We can enjoy dancing on Carltons grave, but the only reason this isn't destroying them, is because other than a small resurgence in the middle they've been near the bottom and amassing top picks for 15+ years.

If this was North or Sydney to some extent (Not as relevant seeing as they have been gifted Heeney, Mills and Blakey) in this situation, it would set back a rebuild for years.

You're right, clubs wouldn't trade #4 for 10 & 19 in most circumstances when you know what you are getting, but protecting a top 3 pick means this deal doesn't get done. With the evenness of the comp, and using this example, Crows have to guarantee that they are going to be considerably stronger than Carlton for the next 3 years minimum. Remember they are giving up a late first round pick, and then swapping future firsts. They aren't just swapping future firsts. There is no reward there as you can't guarantee which year Carlton are going to get out of the bottom 3 and if it's in a couple of years you can't guarantee how you will be travelling. Again using this trade as an example, the Crows could easily end up upside down if a top 3 pick was protected, giving up say pick 19 and pick 5 for a pick 7. Only one team really stands to win.

 

[TylerDurden]

So this is pretty much looking as I think most people would have expected.

Heads are gonna roll, they have to.

Correct. I can't see how SOS survives this call.

They were coming off 2 wins last year. I choked on my dinner when the trade got done. It looks worse now.

It's gross negligence. A pure faark up.

 

[TylerDurden]

The AFL should have intervened and blocked this trade.

No way one of the worst teams in AFL history should be allowed to trade their unprotected future first round pick.. certainty not for Liam Stocker anyway.

Yep. Astonished they allowed it to go through.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yep. Astonished they allowed it to go through.

Do you think a few clubs are looking at adelaide and thinking bast***s..why didn't we get in on the act and how do we get a deal set up for carlton's 2020 1st

 

[TylerDurden]

Do you think a few clubs are looking at adelaide and thinking bast***s..why didn't we get in on the act and how do we get a deal set up for carlton's 2020 1st

You're killing me. Of course.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Yeah, but to quote SOS, what if Carlton finishes higher than Adelaide? He knows way more about stuff than anybody else, so that was a probable scenario.

Carlton made out like bandits. A top 6 pick for free and a round one pick upgrade.

No way the AFL could or should block it. And the wider club community would be happy to help again this draft year. Philanthropy feels good.

 

[My name geoff]

Rowell and Anderson may be better than Walsh.

What don't you understand about this?

Stocker my be better than all of them, what don't you understand about this?

 

[bird_man]

Stocker my be better than all of them, what don't you understand about this?

Anything is possible but do you believe Stocker will be a better player than all of them?

If you had the chance to go back, would you do that trade again?

 

[Dede]

Funny thing is liam played a good game on the weekend problem is the top 2 in the draft are jets!

Sos can't stay on after this trade surely?

 

[My name geoff]

The fact remains Carlton are often rolling out older sides than its opposition.

Most teams are going to get younger due to losing players over the coming years. Implying this is unquie to Carlton is very odd. Look at the list make up of Collingwood, Hawthorn for example.

Look at how many 100 gamers each team had yesterday. Keep in mind Murphy down in the first quarter and Casboult is a depth player. Show me a team in the comp with that lack of experience in any game this year.

Carlton:
Murphy
Thomas
Kruezer
Curnow
Casboult

GWS:
Shaw
Deledio
Mumford
De Boer
Davis
Cameron
Greene
Tomlinson
Whitfield
Haynes
Kelly
Kennedy

Richmond:
Astbury
Grimes
Edwards
Houli
Ellis
Prestia
Caddy
Lynch
Martin
Vlastin

 

[My name geoff]

Anything is possible but do you believe Stocker will be a better player than all of them?

If you had the chance to go back, would you do that trade again?

Assuming we agree that Stocker is top 6 draft pick material and the Crows finish where they are now, the question is would I trade pick 6 and 12 for pick 1. Yes I would. Draft points value in Carltons favour but importantly, we secure 2 quality players rather than one, which in our position of having a relatively high amount of young superstars but lacking quality in certain roles, is the right choice.

 

[My name geoff]

Melbourne had five also.

Saints five.

Sydney four.

Fair point, but to give a clearer picture of the predicament Carlton were in yesterday, the blues not only effectively had 4 x 100 gamers, but they also had 11 players aged 21 or under.

Melbourne had 2 players aged 21 or under

St Kilda had 2 players aged 21 or under

Sydney had 5 players aged 21 or under

 

[boncer34]

Fair point, but to give a clearer picture of the predicament Carlton were in yesterday, the blues not only effectively had 4 x 100 gamers, but they also had 11 players aged 21 or under.

Melbourne had 2 players aged 21 or under

St Kilda had 2 players aged 21 or under

Sydney had 5 players aged 21 or under

And yet Sydney put out a younger side.

Weird.

 

[My name geoff]

And yet Sydney put out a younger side.

Weird.

How is it weird, teams have different compositions of different aged players.

Im making a point that having 11 players aged in the youngest age bracket and very few 100 gamers to support them makes it very difficult to be competitive.

 

[Toadvine]

Look at how many 100 gamers each team had yesterday. Keep in mind Murphy down in the first quarter and Casboult is a depth player. Show me a team in the comp with that lack of experience in any game this year.

Carlton:
Murphy
Thomas
Kruezer
Curnow
Casboult

GWS:
Shaw
Deledio
Mumford
De Boer
Davis
Cameron
Greene
Tomlinson
Whitfield
Haynes
Kelly
Kennedy

Richmond:
Astbury
Grimes
Edwards
Houli
Ellis
Prestia
Caddy
Lynch
Martin
Vlastin

In round 4 Richmond had on average 74 games experience. Yesterday Carlton had an average of 70 games experience. One side beat a top 8 team on the road. The other got thumped by nearly 100 points.

 

[bird_man]

Assuming we agree that Stocker is top 6 draft pick material and the Crows finish where they are now, the question is would I trade pick 6 and 12 for pick 1. Yes I would. Draft points value in Carltons favour but importantly, we secure 2 quality players rather than one, which in our position of having a relatively high amount of young superstars but lacking quality in certain roles, is the right choice.

Not worried about draft points and whether SOS rated Sticker higher than everyone else, I'm asking in your opinion if you'd do that again?

To me, I'd much rather have pick one in this draft.

 

[chickentendies]

hello carlton, one trade please

 

[Crow till I die]

Assuming we agree that Stocker is top 6 draft pick material and the Crows finish where they are now, the question is would I trade pick 6 and 12 for pick 1. Yes I would. Draft points value in Carltons favour but importantly, we secure 2 quality players rather than one, which in our position of having a relatively high amount of young superstars but lacking quality in certain roles, is the right choice.

Well considering the crows were happy to trade out of pick 19 and even traded down their 2nd round pick with GWS for a later 2nd round pick, they obviously did not rate Stocker as the 6th best player in the draft and considering the crows were half the trade, what they think has just as much bearing as what Carlton think Stocker's value is. If you guys want to try and convince yourselves that the trade might look like pick 6 + 12 for pick 1..go for it

 

[boncer34]

How is it weird

Carlton have so many more younger players but on average are older.

Just seemed odd.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Assuming we agree that Stocker is top 6 draft pick material and the Crows finish where they are now, the question is would I trade pick 6 and 12 for pick 1. Yes I would. Draft points value in Carltons favour but importantly, we secure 2 quality players rather than one, which in our position of having a relatively high amount of young superstars but lacking quality in certain roles, is the right choice.

I think though that you are probably not a representative of your club.

I can almost guarantee Port would have asked the question about trading 5 and 10 for one and been knocked back. 6 and 12 would not get up.

Not arguing it shouldn't, but don't think it would

 

[Mego Red]

Didn’t Adelaide’s current recruiter take Jordan Galluci in the first round?

Milera at 11, Doedee at 19, Lever at 14, McGovern at 43, Crouch at 23, Atkins at 81, Ellis-Yolman at 64, Talia at 13, Dangerfield at 10, Taylor Walker at 75, Gunston at 29, Brodie Smith at 14, Sloane at 44 - Laird in the Rookie draft, Hartigan in the rookie draft, Keath and Greenwood as Category B's ...

He is the best recruiter in the AFL, bar none.

 

[La Dispute]

Milera at 11, Doedee at 19, Lever at 14, McGovern at 43, Crouch at 23, Atkins at 81, Ellis-Yolman at 64, Talia at 13, Dangerfield at 10, Taylor Walker at 75, Gunston at 29, Brodie Smith at 14, Sloane at 44 - Laird in the Rookie draft, Hartigan in the rookie draft, Keath and Greenwood as Category B's ...

He is the best recruiter in the AFL, bar none.

He’s undoubtedly a gun, but every recruiter misses with picks which was my point.

 

[Mego Red]

Stocker my be better than all of them, what don't you understand about this?

Players picked at 19 are much more likely to be Boekhurst than the best player in the draft.