Autopsy Cats lose to Saints by 7 points - should have been more

[cats_09]

I know we weren't totally happy with our first quarter last night, but at least we were playing on the opposition's home deck

Here's the QTR time score up in Brisbane

 

[STPer18]

Listened to Scott's presser and he was at pains to not make it sound like an excuse, but regarding the midfield with Danger up forward and Stewart injured it was essentially an under23 midfield we were running with. Clohesy(20yrs), Clark(20yrs), Knevitt(22yrs), Holmes(22yrs) and a ruckman with a sole preseason under his belt of learning the craft to make things harder. Atkins always busts his gut and Bowes is way too inconsistent - but an experienced AA-level player who you can pencil in to get his 25-30 touches week after week makes Guthrie's body falling apart post the 2022 premiership extra sucky.

Also Tim Kelly. He's playing well today.

 

[cats_09]

Reposting here as well as I posted in the wrong thread before, but it probably works in both

Gets ready to run with the following question, especially with his recent re-signing news, but where does Close fit into the best mix, especially if Closesy plays a few more games like he did last night? And then adding in Mannagh returning to the mix also

Coming on in the second quarter last night, Ted had 16 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles & 2 goals, while Close had 7 disposals, 4 tackles & 1 goal from 4 quarters

Looking at Bradley's games last year, he

• kicked 25 goals from 25 games, but went goalless in our last 6 matches
• had 16 or more disposals on just 4 occasions, averaging 12.7 disposable
• there was 6 games with 4 or more tackles, but he also had 6 games where he didn't register a single tackle

I think the vast majority do enjoy seeing the long sleeves out there, but is he one that's skating somewhat under the radar and who's position could come under some questions if others are stepping up when given a chance?

 

[D BRIDGE]

Do you think at his age you can get more than a half out of him in the middle though?

Probably not.

But I want him in the guts to set the tone from the get-go, not when the game is almost beyond repair.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Reposting here as well as I posted in the wrong thread before, but it probably works in both

Gets ready to run with the following question, especially with his recent re-signing news, but where does Close fit into the best mix, especially if Closesy plays a few more games like he did last night? And then adding in Mannagh returning to the mix also

Coming on in the second quarter last night, Ted had 16 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles & 2 goals, while Close had 7 disposals, 4 tackles & 1 goal from 4 quarters

Looking at Bradley's games last year, he

• kicked 25 goals from 25 games, but went goalless in our last 6 matches
• had 16 or more disposals on just 4 occasions, averaging 12.7 disposable
• there was 6 games with 4 or more tackles, but he also had 6 games where he didn't register a single tackle

I think the vast majority do enjoy seeing the long sleeves out there, but is he one that's skating somewhat under the radar and who's position could come under some questions if others are stepping up when given a chance?

Trade bait for extra collateral needed to land a good mid.

We are stacked with solid half forwards.

Still have Mannagh/Martin to come in.

We are far from stacked in the middle with solid mids.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

As soon as it become evident Smith was out a bunch of us thought it was a game where Danger would have to pull up his socks and help us get it done in the middle.

CS went with just about every other option before looking to our best stoppage mid and the game slipped away.

Was a bit of an own goal last night I thought.

But in the end it’s true… we are still thin in the middle.

Gotta throw everything at Rowell imo.

Danger is 34 he's not the solution.

I agree on Rowell.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Probably not.

But I want him in the guts to set the tone from the get-go, not when the game is almost beyond repair.

Yeah, i can understand both arguments but I do think you get more out of him if you send him in fresh against a tired saints midfield. If you throw him in there when we're getting flattened, I think we'd still be getting flattened just with less options to move to later in game.

I think either way Dangerfield ain't the solution

 

[iameviljez]

I know we weren't totally happy with our first quarter last night, but at least we were playing on the opposition's home deck

Here's the QTR time score up in Brisbane

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And, up till quarter time, Fat Boy Harley had donuts.

Not literal donuts. Just no disposals.

 

[foxdog50]

Stanley is cooked.
You would consider kolo if he's right but I'm unsure if he will be.
Bowes probably stays in due to Brisbane's big bodies but he's on thin ice
Mannagh for mullin is obvious.

Like iv said all the time... rather him ruck then SDK,

 

[D BRIDGE]

Danger is 34 he's not the solution.

I agree on Rowell.

Not for the long-term.

But to help win last night... I think he was.

One week at a time.

We let this one slip.

 

[iameviljez]

Like iv said all the time... rather him ruck then SDK,

I disagree, because regardless of who is in ruck, you're losing the ruck contests. I'd rather have SDK who is at least a bit more impactful around the ground.

 

[numbwombat]

Losing Stewart hurt our midfield rotations.

I see we are back to celebrating 15 touch midfielders again in Clark and Knevitt. Weird.

Close game - felt like we were thrashed for 3 quarters of it

Clark, Knevitt, Clohesy all sub-20 games. Pleased with promising signs of development.

Bruhn 50+, Bowes and Atkins 100+ games. Bit different.

 

[Heckler]

Don't expect Scott to give a public ass-kicking
Sure it happens in the changerooms post game
Scott'd presser's are simply PR spin exercises
Deflections stating ...Nothing to see here folks
Scott gives no info or ammo to other coaches
He sends coded signals to potential Free Agents
Love all my players... just one big happy family

Most important issue Scott must address is:-
Develop tactics to stop opposition momentum
Especially Run and carry through the corridor
Introduced by Cats in 2007 now copied by all
Improved defensive pressure from forwards
Crowd the middle to force them to kick wide
Strategic frees to allow time to flood back
Composure when Cats regain possession
Don't rush and turn the ball straight back

 

[Catman]

Reposting here as well as I posted in the wrong thread before, but it probably works in both

Gets ready to run with the following question, especially with his recent re-signing news, but where does Close fit into the best mix, especially if Closesy plays a few more games like he did last night? And then adding in Mannagh returning to the mix also

Coming on in the second quarter last night, Ted had 16 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles & 2 goals, while Close had 7 disposals, 4 tackles & 1 goal from 4 quarters

Looking at Bradley's games last year, he

• kicked 25 goals from 25 games, but went goalless in our last 6 matches
• had 16 or more disposals on just 4 occasions, averaging 12.7 disposable
• there was 6 games with 4 or more tackles, but he also had 6 games where he didn't register a single tackle

I think the vast majority do enjoy seeing the long sleeves out there, but is he one that's skating somewhat under the radar and who's position could come under some questions if others are stepping up when given a chance?

And for someone usually so clean he has a horrible case of the fumbles over the first two weeks.

 

[foxdog50]

I disagree, because regardless of who is in ruck, you're losing the ruck contests. I'd rather have SDK who is at least a bit more impactful around the ground.

I disagree. But we're all allowed to have our view..
If thats the case we might as well put Ted Clohesy in the ruck if you want someone has impact around the ground.
We play a ruckman, who is a ruck Just because his better around the ground. It didn’t work for SDK last night against Marshall, who people said Marshall was undone and didn’t look fit. Marshall was one of the best last nigh

 

[iameviljez]

We play a ruckman, who is a ruck Just because his better around the ground

Because he is no worse than Stanley in the ruck.

Stanley wasn't a great ruckman at age 28, let alone now at age 34. If I'm not mistaken, as I write, he's currently getting his arse handed to him in the magoos by Harry Boyd.

 

[foxdog50]

Because he is no worse than Stanley in the ruck.

Stanley wasn't a great ruckman at age 28, let alone now at age 34. If I'm not mistaken, as I write, he's currently getting his arse handed to him in the magoos by Harry Boyd.

Because SDk is a far better defer then is as a ruckman..Plus I was a advocate for Boyd to come to Geelong..I woke saying Stanley is playing full-time ruck as his sharing it with Pike

 

[PzBlinky]

As soon as it become evident Smith was out a bunch of us thought it was a game where Danger would have to pull up his socks and help us get it done in the middle.

CS went with just about every other option before looking to our best stoppage mid and the game slipped away.

Was a bit of an own goal last night I thought.

But in the end it’s true… we are still thin in the middle.

Gotta throw everything at Rowell imo.

I agree that Danger into the middle makes sense, but some of the other commenters here are alluding that he just might not be the answer anymore.

Don't know if the coaching staff deliberately held him back or just didn't think it was the answer. Sometimes I get the vibe from Scott that he will happily roll the dice to give the younger ones / second-stringers an opportunity to get things back on their terms.

Sometimes we lose those games...and I'm not sure if he's too worried by that.

The fact we're still reliant on a 35 year old as our #1 stoppage mid is a problem, though. Smith back next week (hopefully) eases it but yeah, Rowell or Butters would solve the problem.

 

[Cataholic]

I disagree. But we're all allowed to have our view..
If thats the case we might as well put Ted Clohesy in the ruck if you want someone has impact around the ground.
We play a ruckman, who is a ruck Just because his better around the ground. It didn’t work for SDK last night against Marshall, who people said Marshall was undone and didn’t look fit. Marshall was one of the best last nigh

I just wish we had more Clohesy in our DNA.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Someone brought back the 80s word “hungus” earlier. I’m calling that Shakespearean.

Catsace that'd be you, mate!

 

[Warhorse]

Clark, Knevitt, Clohesy all sub-20 games. Pleased with promising signs of development.

Bruhn 50+, Bowes and Atkins 100+ games. Bit different.

Clark and Knevitt got absolutely spanked. I don't know why we have some on here saying they had a good game

I really loved Clohesy last year in the VFL and thought he was much better than Clark and Knevitt at that level. I was concerned his game would not translate to AFL. Glad to see him do well.

 

[Cataholic]

Clark and Knevitt got absolutely spanked. I don't know why we have some on here saying they had a good game

I really loved Clohesy last year in the VFL and thought he was much better than Clark and Knevitt at that level. I was concerned his game would not translate to AFL. Glad to see him do well.

I hope a few of his teammates were observing his endeavour and learned something from it.

 

[iameviljez]

Clark and Knevitt got absolutely spanked. I don't know why we have some on here saying they had a good game

A good game relative to the expectations of sub-20 game players.

If they put that kind of performance in after fifty games, yeah, it's below standard.

 

[SkittleCats]

Given you only show up to shit on us when we lose, and do your little 'I told you so' dance, your comment about 'you never have anything of value to contribute' could be less summed up as irony, and more summed up as: pot calling the kettle black.

I show up plenty more than that.

 

[dazbroncos]

Trade bait for extra collateral needed to land a good mid.

We are stacked with solid half forwards.

Still have Mannagh/Martin to come in.

We are far from stacked in the middle with solid mids.

Sorry but if you are thinking of keeping Martin and replacing Close (used as trade bait).. wow...

Its your opinion and all but wow....

ok

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