Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[Edna Mode]

Could PS Make a plea before the trial? Personally, I don't think so.

 

[craffles]

Many things here. Appears going for the car angle due to the road reconstruction.
Now a few issues. There will be no DNA on the outside imo. Wasn't he under surveillance 2 weeks later than a warrant executed. Given exposure to elements that would render a sample useless.
So must be proof her body was in the car. But there is no body and no actual proof how she has died. Phone records may show they were both in the vicinity at the time but that is not proof.
Reckon what's happened is he has blabbed to someone or someone helped and that's why the cops were alerted to him and the phone staging to get him to talk or someone else. Still seems like a long shot to prove.

Have been saying all along that covert surveillance is what is likely to have done him in. Still sticking by it and glad someone else is on board now haha

 

[Edna Mode]

POS will appear in court tomorrow March 6 for a case conference between his lawyers and those acting for the prosecution.

 

[Zidane98]

Have been saying all along that covert surveillance is what is likely to have done him in. Still sticking by it and glad someone else is on board now haha

This makes sense. He talked to someone, who alerted the cops and tapped his phone. If they've got him on the phone admitting something of course his lawyer could claim it's out of context etc but that combined with DNA evidence inside his vehicle of the victim and mobile phone metadata matching him to the same place and same time as SM is a pretty compelling case.

 

[mrskafoops]

I went for a run this morning which was just under 7km. I did the same thing last year on the same day.
I’ve decided to make this an annual thing. I used Samantha as an example recently when I was fundraising for White Ribbon and stopping violence against women. I think it’s important to keep the attention on matters like these.

 

[craffles]

I went for a run this morning which was just under 7km. I did the same thing last year on the same day.
I’ve decided to make this an annual thing. I used Samantha as an example recently when I was fundraising for White Ribbon and stopping violence against women. I think it’s important to keep the attention on matters like these.

Good job, the more individuals in the community can continue to speak out and advocate against violence against women in their own ways the more progress we will make. We have a long way to go.

 

[shorsky]

Good job, the more individuals in the community can continue to speak out and advocate against violence against women in their own ways the more progress we will make. We have a long way to go.

100% craffles, such a long way.

I hope you’ll indulge my going on a tangent here. … too late for Sam but it is all relevant in the scheme of things.

Apparently Domestic Violence is not a crime in some states. Just recently I heard calls to have Domestic Violence mandated as a Crime in QLD.… wtf (full disclosure - I’m an Aussie so speak from that perspective)

* Noting that ‘domestic violence’ is not about male violence towards female, even though the scales currently tip in favour of that statistic.

I’m keen to understand that QLD stance .. Surely we have societal Laws surrounding such things as Assault, Threatening Behaviour, Intimidation etc ??

Why would those laws (& associated charges) not apply in all situations, irrespective of ‘living’ / ‘non living’ arrangements ?

Where does the reluctance to press charges stem from ?
Is it on the part of the attending officers due to the perceived ‘domestic’ situation?
Is it on the part of the ‘domestic’ victim ?

Either way, I call ‘not acceptable’. Laws are made for a reason and it’s pretty easy to pick someone who’s hiding something, who is scared, traumatised, terrified, pretending etc ( if not, those officers need more training) .

Ultimately the Call on whether to Charge must be made by the Law enforcement officers attending, irrespective of the ‘domestic’ tag or otherwise, and irrespective of the qualms of a terrified partner. (Back it up quickly with appropriate support for that person & the perpetrator and things may take a positive turn )
And if deemed ok to leave with a warning, I’d suggest a follow-up visit to check within the hour, and again next day.

I won’t bore you further with my thoughts .. . take good care everyone.

 

[thumbs_up]

100% craffles, such a long way.

I hope you’ll indulge my going on a tangent here. … too late for Sam but it is all relevant in the scheme of things.

Apparently Domestic Violence is not a crime in some states. Just recently I heard calls to have Domestic Violence mandated as a Crime in QLD.… wtf (full disclosure - I’m an Aussie so speak from that perspective)

* Noting that ‘domestic violence’ is not about male violence towards female, even though the scales currently tip in favour of that statistic.

I’m keen to understand that QLD stance .. Surely we have societal Laws surrounding such things as Assault, Threatening Behaviour, Intimidation etc ??

Why would those laws (& associated charges) not apply in all situations, irrespective of ‘living’ / ‘non living’ arrangements ?

Where does the reluctance to press charges stem from ?
Is it on the part of the attending officers due to the perceived ‘domestic’ situation?
Is it on the part of the ‘domestic’ victim ?

Either way, I call ‘not acceptable’. Laws are made for a reason and it’s pretty easy to pick someone who’s hiding something, who is scared, traumatised, terrified, pretending etc ( if not, those officers need more training) .

Ultimately the Call on whether to Charge must be made by the Law enforcement officers attending, irrespective of the ‘domestic’ tag or otherwise, and irrespective of the qualms of a terrified partner. (Back it up quickly with appropriate support for that person & the perpetrator and things may take a positive turn )
And if deemed ok to leave with a warning, I’d suggest a follow-up visit to check within the hour, and again next day.

I won’t bore you further with my thoughts .. . take good care everyone.

Qld passed legislation around DV last year, including coercive control

New laws to tackle domestic, family and sexual violence in Queensland

 

[craffles]

100% craffles, such a long way.

I hope you’ll indulge my going on a tangent here. … too late for Sam but it is all relevant in the scheme of things.

Apparently Domestic Violence is not a crime in some states. Just recently I heard calls to have Domestic Violence mandated as a Crime in QLD.… wtf (full disclosure - I’m an Aussie so speak from that perspective)

* Noting that ‘domestic violence’ is not about male violence towards female, even though the scales currently tip in favour of that statistic.

I’m keen to understand that QLD stance .. Surely we have societal Laws surrounding such things as Assault, Threatening Behaviour, Intimidation etc ??

Why would those laws (& associated charges) not apply in all situations, irrespective of ‘living’ / ‘non living’ arrangements ?

Where does the reluctance to press charges stem from ?
Is it on the part of the attending officers due to the perceived ‘domestic’ situation?
Is it on the part of the ‘domestic’ victim ?

Either way, I call ‘not acceptable’. Laws are made for a reason and it’s pretty easy to pick someone who’s hiding something, who is scared, traumatised, terrified, pretending etc ( if not, those officers need more training) .

Ultimately the Call on whether to Charge must be made by the Law enforcement officers attending, irrespective of the ‘domestic’ tag or otherwise, and irrespective of the qualms of a terrified partner. (Back it up quickly with appropriate support for that person & the perpetrator and things may take a positive turn )
And if deemed ok to leave with a warning, I’d suggest a follow-up visit to check within the hour, and again next day.

I won’t bore you further with my thoughts .. . take good care everyone.

Not boring anyone mate. As per poster above looks like QLD have done some work on it. When it comes to measures to support DV I think the most time urgent measure is to build more social housing / refuges that victims can escape to anonymously as well as budget to relocate individuals if required. So often victims are stuck because of financial reasons.

I doubt this will ever happen through government spend so we really need the NFP sector to carry some weight here.

 

[Lady O]

Not boring anyone mate. As per poster above looks like QLD have done some work on it. When it comes to measures to support DV I think the most time urgent measure is to build more social housing / refuges that victims can escape to anonymously as well as budget to relocate individuals if required. So often victims are stuck because of financial reasons.

I doubt this will ever happen through government spend so we really need the NFP sector to carry some weight here.

I think there are a lot of reasons, financial only one of them. They fear that when they do leave it will trip their partner into even further violence and try as we might, we can't always protect them from a determined spouse. Some people have a fear of being alone, without friends and contacts to support them. Some people have pets that they know will be killed by their partner if they leave. Then there is a social stigma of being bashed, abused, belittled and controlled. People say 'just leave' but it's not that simple.

 

[shorsky]

Qld passed legislation around DV last year, including coercive control

New laws to tackle domestic, family and sexual violence in Queensland

Correct.

However there is still no specific crime of Domestic Violence.

The police must investigate if they suspect there is domestic violence in a relationship. If they reasonably believe domestic violence has been committed they can:

• charge the respondent with a criminal offence (eg stalking, assault, grievous bodily harm)
• issue a police protection notice—issued on the spot and protects you straight away from any further domestic violence acts (it has the same effect as a court order until the matter is heard in court)
• apply to a court for a domestic violence protection order for you
• apply to a court to change an existing domestic violence protection order
• take the respondent into custody—if the respondent is likely to injure someone or damage property
• apply directly to a magistrate for an urgent temporary order.

 

[Irma]

When it comes to measures to support DV I think the most time urgent measure is to build more social housing / refuges that victims can escape to anonymously as well as budget to relocate individuals if required. So often victims are stuck because of financial reasons.

Uniting Care have a govt backed program and payment which is available in, as far as I know, each state of Australia. It’s called an EVP (Escaping Violence Payment) and is $5000 worth of assistance for anyone needing assistance to escape family/domestic violence. I can’t speak for how other states split it, but here in Victoria the funding is split into 2 parts - $1500 cash towards paying a bond on a new place, end-of-lease cleaner, etc, or just general relocation costs like a removalist (even interstate), and then $3500 to be used in the form of gift cards to help cover cost of groceries and other essentials. You will also be assigned a case manager who will basically hold your hand and walk you through each step.

Further, to anyone in Victoria, I highly recommend The Orange Door (vic gov gateway to assistance) as a great resource. Well, that’s my PSA for the day!!

And so I don’t get in trouble for being (slightly) off-topic, I still find it incredible that after all this time, and with all the local exposure, that someone hasn’t accidentally stumbled across anything at all re Samantha’s whereabouts - but also that no-one (that we know of anyway) has come forward with info of where she is. Is POS really that smart? Makes me half wonder if this isn’t his first rodeo, but then that also seems unlikely, given his age, but I just wish her family didn’t have to go through all of the ‘not knowing’.

 

[craffles]

Uniting Care have a govt backed program and payment which is available in, as far as I know, each state of Australia. It’s called an EVP (Escaping Violence Payment) and is $5000 worth of assistance for anyone needing assistance to escape family/domestic violence. I can’t speak for how other states split it, but here in Victoria the funding is split into 2 parts - $1500 cash towards paying a bond on a new place, end-of-lease cleaner, etc, or just general relocation costs like a removalist (even interstate), and then $3500 to be used in the form of gift cards to help cover cost of groceries and other essentials. You will also be assigned a case manager who will basically hold your hand and walk you through each step.

Further, to anyone in Victoria, I highly recommend The Orange Door (vic gov gateway to assistance) as a great resource. Well, that’s my PSA for the day!!

And so I don’t get in trouble for being (slightly) off-topic, I still find it incredible that after all this time, and with all the local exposure, that someone hasn’t accidentally stumbled across anything at all re Samantha’s whereabouts - but also that no-one (that we know of anyway) has come forward with info of where she is. Is POS really that smart? Makes me half wonder if this isn’t his first rodeo, but then that also seems unlikely, given his age, but I just wish her family didn’t have to go through all of the ‘not knowing’

Good post.

 

[Lady O]

Uniting Care have a govt backed program and payment which is available in, as far as I know, each state of Australia. It’s called an EVP (Escaping Violence Payment) and is $5000 worth of assistance for anyone needing assistance to escape family/domestic violence. I can’t speak for how other states split it, but here in Victoria the funding is split into 2 parts - $1500 cash towards paying a bond on a new place, end-of-lease cleaner, etc, or just general relocation costs like a removalist (even interstate), and then $3500 to be used in the form of gift cards to help cover cost of groceries and other essentials. You will also be assigned a case manager who will basically hold your hand and walk you through each step.

Further, to anyone in Victoria, I highly recommend The Orange Door (vic gov gateway to assistance) as a great resource. Well, that’s my PSA for the day!!

And so I don’t get in trouble for being (slightly) off-topic, I still find it incredible that after all this time, and with all the local exposure, that someone hasn’t accidentally stumbled across anything at all re Samantha’s whereabouts - but also that no-one (that we know of anyway) has come forward with info of where she is. Is POS really that smart? Makes me half wonder if this isn’t his first rodeo, but then that also seems unlikely, given his age, but I just wish her family didn’t have to go through all of the ‘not knowing’.

This is great for people who want or have no choice but to leave their partner. However, there are plenty who really don't want to leave, they just want to violence to stop.

I've sometimes mused on the solution being "the band of brothers". If you were part of a big family, and you had several brothers who would quietly but sincerely tell your partner that if he didn't stop abusing you and/or the children, then he would find himself having to answer to the "brothers".

Some men are simply bullies and pick on those who can't fight back. If their partner had strong back up, they may not be quite so brave.

 

[thumbs_up]

This is great for people who want or have no choice but to leave their partner. However, there are plenty who really don't want to leave, they just want to violence to stop.

I've sometimes mused on the solution being "the band of brothers". If you were part of a big family, and you had several brothers who would quietly but sincerely tell your partner that if he didn't stop abusing you and/or the children, then he would find himself having to answer to the "brothers".

Some men are simply bullies and pick on those who can't fight back. If their partner had strong back up, they may not be quite so brave.

The "band of brothers" is a nice idea in theory, theory only. The men who are enacting one way domestic violence (which I assume is the type of DV you are describing in your hypothetical) would either flee or kill the woman sadly.

We need to raise our boys to respect women and raise our girls to be empowered to know their worth.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

This is great for people who want or have no choice but to leave their partner. However, there are plenty who really don't want to leave, they just want to violence to stop.

I've sometimes mused on the solution being "the band of brothers". If you were part of a big family, and you had several brothers who would quietly but sincerely tell your partner that if he didn't stop abusing you and/or the children, then he would find himself having to answer to the "brothers".

Some men are simply bullies and pick on those who can't fight back. If their partner had strong back up, they may not be quite so brave.

They don’t do it in front of other blokes. They’re charming to other people. Their mates/relatives think they are a great guy who puts up with the misery-guts woman. Very few blokes are going to confront a friend, even if they hear about accusations.

 

[craffles]

They don’t do it in front of other blokes. They’re charming to other people. Their mates/relatives think they are a great guy who puts up with the misery-guts woman. Very few blokes are going to confront a friend, even if they hear about accusations.

This is unfortunately very real, especially when it comes to non physical DV such as coercive control, financial control etc.

 

[Lady O]

The "band of brothers" is a nice idea in theory, theory only. The men who are enacting one way domestic violence (which I assume is the type of DV you are describing in your hypothetical) would either flee or kill the woman sadly.

We need to raise our boys to respect women and raise our girls to be empowered to know their worth.

Yes, I know it's not the whole solution, but I think if we had a trained and dedicated DV squad in every Police station it would at least free up the general duties cops for other work. They spend so much of their time on DV issues and sometimes they don't have the time or just don't identify those who are in serious danger from partners.

We can raise our boys to respect women and our women to respect themselves, but what they see in the home has great influence on how they behave when adults. Factor in the larger number of single parents (usually women) and the children's image of a positive male role model is frequently missing from their lives.

 

[thumbs_up]

Yes, I know it's not the whole solution, but I think if we had a trained and dedicated DV squad in every Police station it would at least free up the general duties cops for other work. They spend so much of their time on DV issues and sometimes they don't have the time or just don't identify those who are in serious danger from partners.

We can raise our boys to respect women and our women to respect themselves, but what they see in the home has great influence on how they behave when adults. Factor in the larger number of single parents (usually women) and the children's image of a positive male role model is frequently missing from their lives.

Ok. Both our solutions are oversimplified. The answer is likely wide ranging cultural/societal changes to promote equality. That would include a dedicated DV squad at every station, reducing gender pay gap and so on.

 

[Lady O]

Ok. Both our solutions are oversimplified. The answer is likely wide ranging cultural/societal changes to promote equality. That would include a dedicated DV squad at every station, reducing gender pay gap and so on.

Regardless of how bad things are here and in other western countries, it is infinitely worse in some middle east and asian countries, so we have to accept that we have come a fairly long way. Not a reason to ignore it, but work out what we did right and double down.

 

[mrskafoops]

100% craffles, such a long way.

I hope you’ll indulge my going on a tangent here. … too late for Sam but it is all relevant in the scheme of things.

Apparently Domestic Violence is not a crime in some states. Just recently I heard calls to have Domestic Violence mandated as a Crime in QLD.… wtf (full disclosure - I’m an Aussie so speak from that perspective)

* Noting that ‘domestic violence’ is not about male violence towards female, even though the scales currently tip in favour of that statistic.

I’m keen to understand that QLD stance .. Surely we have societal Laws surrounding such things as Assault, Threatening Behaviour, Intimidation etc ??

Why would those laws (& associated charges) not apply in all situations, irrespective of ‘living’ / ‘non living’ arrangements ?

Where does the reluctance to press charges stem from ?
Is it on the part of the attending officers due to the perceived ‘domestic’ situation?
Is it on the part of the ‘domestic’ victim ?

Either way, I call ‘not acceptable’. Laws are made for a reason and it’s pretty easy to pick someone who’s hiding something, who is scared, traumatised, terrified, pretending etc ( if not, those officers need more training) .

Ultimately the Call on whether to Charge must be made by the Law enforcement officers attending, irrespective of the ‘domestic’ tag or otherwise, and irrespective of the qualms of a terrified partner. (Back it up quickly with appropriate support for that person & the perpetrator and things may take a positive turn )
And if deemed ok to leave with a warning, I’d suggest a follow-up visit to check within the hour, and again next day.

I won’t bore you further with my thoughts .. . take good care everyone.

Perps don’t always just target the person they want. If the person they want is not accessible there are kids, grandparents, parents that they can threaten. There are other ways to hurt people they’re fixated on.

 

[31550]

I am hearing the trial has been set for September. Can anyone confirm?

 

[Run n Spread]

I am hearing the trial has been set for September. Can anyone confirm?

Where are you hearing that? Absolutely nothing mentioned for months.

 

[thumbs_up]

Where are you hearing that? Absolutely nothing mentioned for months.

Perhaps they dreamt it. Google search shows nothing

 

[Edna Mode]

I am hearing the trial has been set for September. Can anyone confirm?

Appearing via videolink, the court heard dates for his murder trial had been secured in September.

Major update on Sam Murphy's alleged killer

The man accused of murdering Ballarat mum Samantha Murphy has learnt when he will finally face justice.

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