Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

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[hamohawk1]

Continued From part 1:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/why-i-blame-islam-for-the-fact-its-raining-today.1138797/

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(Former thread title: I'm sick and tired of Islam-phobia)


I think todays comments by Sonia Kruger have tipped me over the edge. I understand there are the possibility of radicals within the Muslim fraternity but this has got to far, the bashing of this religion is ludicrous. The consistent rhetoric around Muslims will not assist in fighting extremists from within and now may serve to only inspire those thinking of causing such harm to do so. IMO the only way we are going to counter extremists from any religion or general back ground is a collaborated approach that doesn't harbour hate and distain.

 

[bzparkes]

You aren't Islamaphobic because Islamaphobia isn't a thing.
Of course.

"serious issues", wow that's actually pretty lame...you should ramp up the rhetoric if you want people to believe your nonsense.
"Crime has increased by a cajillion, the end of the world is nigh".

How can people be having a cry about islamaphobia if you say islamaphobia isn't real?
That makes no sense.

Explain to me this.

Should people not be wary of a group that has a history of terrorist attacks(Muslims themselves are predominantly far more often to be victims of these than people in the West but nobody talks about it...), persecuting minorities, far right-wing values, pedophilia(child marriages), grooming gangs(read up on how prevalent they are in England, for instance), religious extremism, beheadings, etc?

Or do you think it's entirely fine to import massive, uneducated groups of them, en masse into the West, where they fail to integrate, disproportionately lead to increased of certain crimes(rapes) and generally be a burden on local governments, all whilst screaming they're discriminated against?

It's not an issue here in Australia, because it's much harder to get to illegally and our government is far stricter on who they let in. This is what's been happening in Europe since Merkel stupidly threw open the borders and made it everyone's problem there, other than the Balkans/Poland, which either won't take them, or at the least support them with housing/money.

And, for the record, I'd have the same opinion if it were Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc doing the same thing.

Thing is though, they don't.

 

[bzparkes]

I mean, here's the UAE foreign minister from 2017 talking about this exact problem.

 

[Number37]

Explain to me this.

Should people not be wary of a group that has a history of terrorist attacks(Muslims themselves are predominantly far more often to be victims of these than people in the West but nobody talks about it...), persecuting minorities, far right-wing values, pedophilia(child marriages), grooming gangs(read up on how prevalent they are in England, for instance), religious extremism, beheadings, etc?

Or do you think it's entirely fine to import massive, uneducated groups of them, en masse into the West, where they fail to integrate, disproportionately lead to increased of certain crimes(rapes) and generally be a burden on local governments, all whilst screaming they're discriminated against?

It's not an issue here in Australia, because it's much harder to get to illegally and our government is far stricter on who they let in. This is what's been happening in Europe since Merkel stupidly threw open the borders and made it everyone's problem there, other than the Balkans/Poland, which either won't take them, or at the least support them with housing/money.

And, for the record, I'd have the same opinion if it were Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc doing the same thing.

Thing is though, they don't.

How many known criminals were imported en masse into Australia in 1788?
They sent boatloads because the prisons were so full.
The Commonwealth of Australia was founded by criminals imported into the country.
Those criminals then committed crimes the moment they stepped off the boat...their first crime was to steal land that didn't belong to them.

Ned Kelly:
Cop killer. Bank robber. Thief. Thug.
Australian hero.

 

[Gough]

Explain to me this.

Should people not be wary of a group that has a history of terrorist attacks(Muslims themselves are predominantly far more often to be victims of these than people in the West but nobody talks about it...), persecuting minorities, far right-wing values, pedophilia(child marriages), grooming gangs(read up on how prevalent they are in England, for instance), religious extremism, beheadings, etc?

Or do you think it's entirely fine to import massive, uneducated groups of them, en masse into the West, where they fail to integrate, disproportionately lead to increased of certain crimes(rapes) and generally be a burden on local governments, all whilst screaming they're discriminated against?

It's not an issue here in Australia, because it's much harder to get to illegally and our government is far stricter on who they let in. This is what's been happening in Europe since Merkel stupidly threw open the borders and made it everyone's problem there, other than the Balkans/Poland, which either won't take them, or at the least support them with housing/money.

And, for the record, I'd have the same opinion if it were Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, etc doing the same thing.

Thing is though, they don't.

Fundamental Christians here would be very happy to see Australia as a theocracy. Parts of America are even further down that path.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No, ethnic group does not infer 'shared genetic similarity' as a requirement. Commonly ethnicities define themselves by generalized shared and genetic or biologically inheritable physical traits (like skin color), but not always (and even when they exist, there are usually exceptions).



Ethnicity - Wikipedia.

You can construe the term to mean 'genetic ethnicity' but such a narrow construction isnt really ever useful except in fringe cases.

We ditched objective 'biological race' a long time ago, once we mapped the human genome and found out that the whole race thing is a social construct (not a biological one).

You could argue a Tasmanian ethnicity based on that.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How many known criminals were imported en masse into Australia in 1788?
They sent boatloads because the prisons were so full.
The Commonwealth of Australia was founded by criminals imported into the country.
Those criminals then committed crimes the moment they stepped off the boat...their first crime was to steal land that didn't belong to them.

Ned Kelly:
Cop killer. Bank robber. Thief. Thug.
Australian hero.

You're all over the place with this one, but they didn't just let criminals off the boat without any control.

Not really relevant anyway, its a couple of hundred years out of date and most Australians now are not descended from convicts.

 

[bzparkes]

How many known criminals were imported en masse into Australia in 1788?
They sent boatloads because the prisons were so full.
The Commonwealth of Australia was founded by criminals imported into the country.
Those criminals then committed crimes the moment they stepped off the boat...their first crime was to steal land that didn't belong to them.

Ned Kelly:
Cop killer. Bank robber. Thief. Thug.
Australian hero.

Great.

Irrelevant to the discussion though.

 

[bzparkes]

Fundamental Christians here would be very happy to see Australia as a theocracy. Parts of America are even further down that path.

Yes, some of the stuff happening in USA is scary indeed.

 

[faible]

pedophilia

I'd have the same opinion if it were Christians

Hate to break it to you…

 

[bzparkes]

Hate to break it to you…

Oh you indeed have a point, however child marriages aren't socially acceptable in the Christian faith currently, as far as I am aware.

 

[Number37]

Great.

Irrelevant to the discussion though.

So importing criminals is irrelevant.
But importing made up potential coulda woulda shoulda criminals is relevant.

How very unsurprising.

 

[Number37]

You're all over the place with this one, but they didn't just let criminals off the boat without any control.

Not really relevant anyway, its a couple of hundred years out of date and most Australians now are not descended from convicts.

LOL
They were criminals.
Criminals were the foundation of our country.
Despite starting with criminals we turned out okay.

That we turned out okay has f-all to do with the all the nonsense Bzparkes writes about 'western values'.

 

[bzparkes]

So importing criminals is irrelevant.
But importing made up potential coulda woulda shoulda criminals is relevant.

How very unsurprising.

Do you know why criminals were imported into Australia and why events of over 200 years ago have zero relevance to this particular discussion?

I'm guessing not

 

[bzparkes]

LOL
They were criminals.
Criminals were the foundation of our country.
Despite starting with criminals we turned out okay.

That we turned out okay has f-all to do with the all the nonsense Bzparkes writes about 'western values'.

Lol.

So what you're saying is, we should import middle- eastern criminals because Australia imported English ones 200 years ago and it worked out ok in today's day and age?

What the heck are you even on about?

 

[bzparkes]

Also, importing a bunch of criminals into Australia didn't exactly work out so well for the local population, just like is currently happening in Europe...

 

[Number37]

Lol.

So what you're saying is, we should import middle- eastern criminals because Australia imported English ones 200 years ago and it worked out ok in today's day and age?

What the * are you even on about?

Yeah, that's what I said.
You were talking about people not being educated ...


You are the one calling them criminals...for no reason...other than...they're Muslim.
You are the one saying the sky is going to fall in because 'criminals in Europe, crime is off the charts waa waa waa'.

Some facts for you...
Between 1980 and 1985 property crime skyrocketed in Australia.
Between 1983 and 1988 there was a massive spike in violent crime.

Teeny boppers love property crime.
As teenagers reached their late teens, they are allowed to drink bla-bla-bla. Violent crime goes up.
Between 1980 and 1988 there was a spike in the number of teenagers.
There was a spike in the number of teenagers between 1980-1988 thanks to the kids of boomers.

Population density and population aged 15-25 are the biggest drivers of crime rates.
That is true all over the world.

 

[bzparkes]

Not even shocked any more

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[bzparkes]

Yeah, that's what I said.
You were talking about people not being educated ...


You are the one calling them criminals...for no reason...other than...they're Muslim.
You are the one saying the sky is going to fall in because 'criminals in Europe, crime is off the charts waa waa waa'.

Some facts for you...
Between 1980 and 1985 property crime skyrocketed in Australia.
Between 1983 and 1988 there was a massive spike in violent crime.

Teeny boppers love property crime.
As teenagers reached their late teens, they are allowed to drink bla-bla-bla. Violent crime goes up.
Between 1980 and 1988 there was a spike in the number of teenagers.
There was a spike in the number of teenagers between 1980-1988 thanks to the kids of boomers.

Population density and population aged 15-25 are the biggest drivers of crime rates.
That is true all over the world.

Some reading comprehension is needed for you.

I never said they were all criminals.

You however seem very willing to dismiss the increase in unprovoked attacks, terror incidental rapes, etc since 2017.

What's the one thing that happened around that time that appears to have caused an alarming increase in crime rates from one group in particular?

 

[Number37]

terror incidental rapes

'terror incidental rapes'---WTF is that?
You are writing garbage. Again.

unprovoked attacks

As opposed to provoked attacks?

Or just more hyperventilating nonsense?

What's the one thing that happened around that time that appears to have caused an alarming increase in crime rates from one group in particular?

Population density
Population aged 15-25.

 

[Malifice]

Oh you indeed have a point, however child marriages aren't socially acceptable in the Christian faith currently, as far as I am aware.

Child marriages aren't socially acceptable in the Muslim faith either.

 

[bzparkes]

'terror incidental rapes'---WTF is that?
You are writing garbage. Again.

It's called a typo, get over it.

As opposed to provoked attacks?

Or just more hyperventilating nonsense?

Ignoring facts again?

Population density
Population aged 15-25.

It's almost like you'll do anything to deflect from the actual issue.

 

[bzparkes]

Child marriages aren't socially acceptable in the Muslim faith either.

Except for the bloke they revere as the prophet, who was the 'perfect' Muslim that men aspire to be?

 

[Number37]

It's almost like you'll do anything to deflect from the actual issue.

It's not almost like you are making up sh!t, you are making up sh!t.

Crime goes up when population density increases.
Crime goes up when the percentage of population aged 15-25 increases.

It isn't very difficult to understand.
If you don't want to start with basic facts, then the rest of your 'analysis' is meaningless garbage.

 

[bzparkes]

It's not almost like you are making up sh!t, you are making up sh!t.

Crime goes up when population density increases.
Crime goes up when the percentage of population aged 15-25 increases.

It isn't very difficult to understand.
If you don't want to start with basic facts, then the rest of your 'analysis' is meaningless garbage.

Ok, so based on what you're saying, you agree that importing millions of men aged 15-25 from Islamic countries into Europe was a ******* stupid idea then?