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Well we're already reportedly offering Hayward about 650-700k, and then u add someone like:Which Carlton players can you move to open up $1.5 mil over 6/7 years
You guys are tapping out with all the signings and will be back ending Wietering
Carlton have 5-6 years to snag a flag after that its back to rebuild territory as that window passes very very quickly
Yes but dont forget the big contracts that are gettin back ended last 2 yearsWell we're already reportedly offering Hayward about 650-700k, and then u add someone like:
Martin (4-500)
Kennedy (5-600)
Young(4-500)
Docherty(5-600)
Williams(800)
I think it could be done, if a player like Bolton became available we might just have to consider moving heaven and earth and just accept we'd lose a decent role player or two to get it done.
Still don't know if we'd have a way of getting the picks for it though.
We are in a situation where we could still pay part of Bolton's contract, but you would have to think freo would be the front runners with 3 first round picks, roughly the Kelly trade and Cameron trades as guides?Yes but dont forget the big contracts that are gettin back ended last 2 years
Calton has to get rid of players like Martin to open up space for hayward
Wietering
Curnow
Cripps
Walsh
MacKay
Thats 5 players that will be on over $1 mil a year (all contracts have tpp increases )
Richmond had 4 players over $750k and Dusty $1.2 & Lynch $1 mil
the cap eventually runs your depth down quickly
Have to strike when iron is hot and when these players get to 30-31 and still getting paid big $$$$ and not getting top 10 picks the talent from 15-30 dries up very quickly
The argument against trading them out was that you need someone to teach thr kids, but if there is draft capital available we can bring in an older player from another club as a free agent to do that. I don't know to what degree the guys left set standards anyway. I'd be happy to trade out anyone who wants a trade out and go massive in this draft, and then free agent a player or two toward the end for leadership, boak type maybe with a player coach contract.With every diabolical week that passes , I’m becoming more liberal about trading out players , let’s face it , how many are going to play in our next win. Just do it
Trading Bolton is ridiculous, yes he is a flair player and he has some deficiencies but he is rated as a top 5 player in the comp by some models.
Don’t agree with that statement at all personally
We don’t know when our next flag will be and to say we won’t be in contention again in 5 years is hyperbolic
Similar things were said in 2016 about a lot of our players and I said the same about a lot of Pies and Geelong players in recent seasons and have had to eat my words
I disagree. Dan Rioli may well be a massive part of our next flag. Just like Chris Newman and Ivan Maric were significant parts of our 2017/19/20 flags.
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Here is how I would be looking at it.
Untouchables as leaders: Baker, Taranto, Lynch, Vlastuin, Broad, D.Rioli
Those are the players I think we need to keep as leaders of the club that can guide and move the next generation through.
Hard Conversation players: Bolton, Graham, Short.
I am going back to the well on Bolton. I just don't think he will be able to hack the absolute s**t we are going to be dishing up. We would get something insane for him that would really help set us up for the future.
Graham and Short we could probably get second rounders through FA compo or just pure trades. Again if we can get those picks this year to start the stockpile we really should.
We need to be pulling in all the kids we can for the next few years from the top 30 in the drafts prior to Tasmania coming in.
SCOUTS ARE NEEDED TO FIND VALUE. We need to pick the eyes out of the COVID drafts. They say they are about 2 years behind so we need to start trying to front run and pull the unseen value where we can.
TRADING IN: We will need to trade in some experience around the 25-28 year old range. It isnt going to be sexy but we need to find some clubmen and hard workers that can help set the standards for the kids.
PEOPLE WANT TO COMPARE US TO 2010 - WE ARE AT THE STAGE OF 07.
Completely dependsOh I think you underestimate how long rebuilds take.
By the time our good picks we get this year or from the 2021 draft peak Rioli will be old enough to be recruited to Geelong.
The argument against trading them out was that you need someone to teach thr kids, but if there is draft capital available we can bring in an older player from another club as a free agent to do that. I don't know to what degree the guys left set standards anyway. I'd be happy to trade out anyone who wants a trade out and go massive in this draft, and then free agent a player or two toward the end for leadership, boak type maybe with a player coach contract.
With tassie coming in I say we trade whoever wants out to spots in this year's and next year's draft
The time to rebuild is long gone unfortunately. Saying you need "someone to teach them", is only relevant if the blokes you have are good teachers, I'd hate to say, the veterans we have remaining are not good teachers
Kane Lambert, Trent Cotchin, Jack Riewoldt, Bachar Houli, David Astbury, Alex Rance - they were the blokes you wanted around to "teach".
Nathan Broad, Toby Nank, McIntosh, Pickett, Vlaustin, Bolton, Rioli, Dusty - they have all been good players in their day, but none of them have really shown much inregards to leadership, mentoring etc.
We needed to start rebuiding hardcore in 2021 so we still have a couple of years of those guys around to lead by example. Instead we are now the blind leading the blind.
Well u wouldn’t , he’s contracted for 4y , 2x r1 and good ones would be starting priceWell we're already reportedly offering Hayward about 650-700k, and then u add someone like:
Martin (4-500)
Kennedy (5-600)
Young(4-500)
Docherty(5-600)
Williams(800)
I think it could be done, if a player like Bolton became available we might just have to consider moving heaven and earth and just accept we'd lose a decent role player or two to get it done.
Still don't know if we'd have a way of getting the picks for it though.
You must be forgetting something, if at that point they’re beginning to peak them indeed rioli has done his workOh I think you underestimate how long rebuilds take.
By the time our good picks we get this year or from the 2021 draft peak Rioli will be old enough to be recruited to Geelong.
He's an overpaid spud. If he wasn't a first round pick, he'd prob be delisted by now.If Bolton were traded then Richmond would need to get in a free agent to cover the gap - Ben Ainsworth.
Bolton for Freo’s first this year and next.
It's a miracle he hasn't been injured this year, considering how fearless he is. Constantly diving headfirst into contests.Give a blank cheque to Zac Butters. The exact type we need. He just put Port on his back in that last quarter. He is as hard as nails and works his backside off.
Flat out jet.
I hope you are right but the 2021 pies team still had players that made GF and prelims in it a few years ago. Heaps of stars. We don’t have many.Completely depends
We have no real idea where we sit as a club due to an inability to field a fully fit side
The closest we have done that this year we defeated the team that is currently undefeated otherwise
Not suggesting we would be playing finals but our current ladder position doesn’t reflect the actual state of our list
In 2021 Collingwood finished 17th 3 years later they win the flag
Nailed OnIt's a miracle he hasn't been injured this year, considering how fearless he is. Constantly diving headfirst into contests.
He'd be out for the season in Round 1 in a Richmond jumper
He’d have done his work as a mentor (does Rioli even have mentoring abilities idk, his gamestyle seems more instinctive to me) but at the sacrifice of potentially a peak of a top 5 player as good as Martin and Cotchin. That’s not worth the risk imo.You must be forgetting something, if at that point they’re beginning to peak them indeed rioli has done his work
Or next flag ?With every diabolical week that passes , I’m becoming more liberal about trading out players , let’s face it , how many are going to play in our next win. Just do it