The AFL reliance on sports gambling (Age Article)

[Demonic Ascent]

I agree - it is over saturated. However - if you’re a parent, go and be a parent. Don’t rely on the world out there sugar coating everything and facilitating a risk free society. It’s like parents expecting teachers to be their surrogate.

Of course, but there's a reason there are limits/bans on certain types of advertising. Cigarette advertising. There are limits on fast food advertising during children's programs. Gambling advertising is not so much the problem it's the way it has fused itself to become part of the game itself. There are reasons gambling is banned for minors and those reasons and the same reasons gambling should not be all encompassing during broadcasts of professional sport.

By the way not sure if you remember what it was like being a teenager but if you were like me you probably didn't do everything your parents told you because it was bad for you or risky behaviour.

 

[Channels]

Im ok with keeping gambling advertising as long as there is also the statement on the end "If you win more than you lose regularly, we'll ban you from our site."

 

[Bunk Moreland]

what shouldn't happen is exposing kids to gambling or normalising gambling. ban gambling ads on all media forums including the net!

Just as long as you know that as a sports fan, it’s subsidising almost everything you have to do with the game. The websites you use and read, the games you watch on TV for free or very low cost, the radio you listen to, your seat at a stadium. Take away gambling advertising and it all becomes a lot more expensive or ceases to exist.

 

[Power Raid]

Just as long as you know that as a sports fan, it’s subsidising almost everything you have to do with the game. The websites you use and read, the games you watch on TV for free or very low cost, the radio you listen to, your seat at a stadium. Take away gambling advertising and it all becomes a lot more expensive or ceases to exist.

the same was said about alcohol and smokes. I'm all for a ban fast food as well as gambling.

The alternative is to play games after 10pm to shift into an adult only viewer audience

If to achieve this with "lower AFL revenues" requires $500+k pay packets being reduced, the coaching panels reduced from 5 or 10 in the box down to 1 and all the fat in AFL house trimmed............then so be it. FYI I think the game would be better for it.

 

[The 747]

Just as long as you know that as a sports fan, it’s subsidising almost everything you have to do with the game. The websites you use and read, the games you watch on TV for free or very low cost, the radio you listen to, your seat at a stadium. Take away gambling advertising and it all becomes a lot more expensive or ceases to exist.

Sure. And if it goes something else will come in. Things weren't more expensive or non-existent prior to the gambling advertising coming in.....

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sure. And if it goes something else will come in. Things weren't more expensive or non-existent prior to the gambling advertising coming in.....

Err... yes, they were.

You can watch every AFL game, NRL game and a million other sports live, anywhere you like, in HD for $25 per month.

And everything the AFL spends on everything - from the league to the larger game itself, right down to the grassroots.

TV is the big revenue driver, it's still going up. And that's not because you're paying more. You're paying less. It's because there's been a whole flood of gambling advertising funding it.

It's actually the whole point of the article, how reliant everything now is on gambling.

 

[The 747]

Err... yes, they were.

You can watch every AFL game, NRL game and a million other sports live, anywhere you like, in HD for $25 per month.

And everything the AFL spends on everything - from the league to the larger game itself, right down to the grassroots.

TV is the big revenue driver, it's still going up. And that's not because you're paying more. You're paying less. It's because there's been a whole flood of gambling advertising funding it.

It's actually the whole point of the article, how reliant everything now is on gambling.

I don't agree with that sorry. Kayo is a simple business model, stream content they already have and they can't price streaming much higher than Kayo is already priced. You think it would be $40 a month or whatever without gambling ads? Nope.

 

[Geoffa32]

I have no issue with Bookies advertising their product. I have a Sportsbet account, and make a couple of bets each weekend.

But the advertising segment they do positioned as part of the match broadcast should be banned.

Odds, should not be discussed in the same manner as game stats.

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[Gaspard]

On the wider issue of the corruption within rhe AFL, I recommend everyone read "The Boys Club" by Michael Warner. It lifts the lid on not only the cozy relationship between the AFL and the gambling industry, but all of the other sordid scandals that the industry that controls the sport we love has been degraded to.

 

[Seedsfan]

Never seen a bigger over reaction. It’s your choice to punt or not. I don’t punt at all and have no issue with gambling ads. It’s a falsehood to say gambling ads make people gamble they don’t. Yes as more players move into the market you see an increase in ads as they try and grow or maintain their market share.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Also pretty (extremely/unfathomably) hypocritical of the AFL to take in this sort of money through gambling companies and then lecture club's for owning pokies and demanding they remove themselves from it costing them significant revenue streams. Do as I say not as I do

The AFL hypocritical never

 

[Aussie in exile]

Ban gambling adverts and ban poker machines. If a team can't survive without either they don't deserve to survive.

Exactly.
Gambling destroys relationships and lifes

 

[caveman72]

Im ok with keeping gambling advertising as long as there is also the statement on the end "If you win more than you lose regularly, we'll ban you from our site."

I'd be happier if they couldn't limit the amount those that win more than they lose. Have a family member who is good on the punt and has been limited to being able to be very small amounts. Wonder how you would go if you took a betting agency to court for restraint of trade or something similar

 

[Walshawk]

Hawks just cashed out of their main gaming venue. $85m. Nice little earner...

AFL club cashes in on Melbourne’s biggest pub deal yet

The $85 million sale of the Caroline Springs venue winds down a large part of the Hawthorn Football Club’s exposure to pokies revenue.

www.afr.com

 

[Prince Imperial]

Hawks just cashed out of their main gaming venue. $85m. Nice little earner...

AFL club cashes in on Melbourne’s biggest pub deal yet

The $85 million sale of the Caroline Springs venue winds down a large part of the Hawthorn Football Club’s exposure to pokies revenue.

www.afr.com

We'll have to see what the annual report says later in the year, but you'd have to think that the majority of that figure would be going to the freehold owner which the article refers to. Still, it's likely to be a very sizeable amount to the Hawks who are the leaseholder.

 

[hawkman]

Hawks just cashed out of their main gaming venue. $85m. Nice little earner...

AFL club cashes in on Melbourne’s biggest pub deal yet

The $85 million sale of the Caroline Springs venue winds down a large part of the Hawthorn Football Club’s exposure to pokies revenue.

www.afr.com

Just cashed out the other one as well

 

[Shane Heard]

Interesting…

 

[The Educator]

Interesting…

So two things out of this:

Football Australia actually enable and take a cut out of gambling activity on amateur games. For both the AFL and the NRL, part of the broader justification for the relationships with wagering companies is to prevent gambling below the second tier.

Second thing is that the NRL gets more revenue from wagering relationships (apparently through bigger margins) and this of course constitutes an even larger share of its revenues. This is of course in addition to having several clubs backed by mini casino pokies giants

Will be interesting to see if the likes of the Guardian and the Age / SMH continue to focus on the AFL when it is clearly less of an issue than these other two organisations

 

[Aussie in exile]

So two things out of this:

Football Australia actually enable and take a cut out of gambling activity on amateur games. For both the AFL and the NRL, part of the broader justification for the relationships with wagering companies is to prevent gambling below the second tier.

Second thing is that the NRL gets more revenue from wagering relationships (apparently through bigger margins) and this of course constitutes an even larger share of its revenues. This is of course in addition to having several clubs backed by mini casino pokies giants

Will be interesting to see if the likes of the Guardian and the Age / SMH continue to focus on the AFL when it is clearly less of an issue than these other two organisations

Lets be honest gambling is an evil that destroys lives and families

 

[The Educator]

Lets be honest gambling is an evil that destroys lives and families

That's right, so I would rather not be the sport that gets 10 % of its central revenues from wagering commissions and has several of its clubs essentially subsidiaries of pokies mini casinos

 

[Aussie in exile]

That's right, so I would rather not be the sport that gets 10 % of its central revenues from wagering commissions and has several of its clubs essentially subsidiaries of pokies mini casinos

I think ALL SPORTS should cut their links to gambling

 

[The Sultan]

The sports industry....

1980's - Cigarette advertising banned - OMG how will we survive ?
2000's - alcohol advertising banned - OMG how will we survive ?
2020's - gambling advertising restricted - OMG how will we survive ?

 

[Aussie in exile]

The sports industry....

1980's - Cigarette advertising banned - OMG how will we survive ?
2000's - alcohol advertising banned - OMG how will we survive ?
2020's - gambling advertising restricted - OMG how will we survive ?

Gambling advertising needs to be banned.
If we can't survive without it the game has huge problems.
This evil needs to be put out with the garbage

 

[hdi]

Decent update on the state of play with more tightly regulating the advertising of sports betting

 

[RonnieRaven]

The government has left governance outside when it comes to gambling advertising because they get a cut.
A byproduct of this is now other industries are taking advantage of this.
I don’t mind KFC with a logo sponsor and generic advertising but I’ve noticed during cricket coverage their ads now feature baggy green wearers devouring kfc.
This should be outlawed and is totally misleading.
Like the body builders advertising useless supplements whilst looking jacked because their on steroids not just supplements like your led to believe.
Same with gambling people giving you best bets earning a buck so Steve pulls from the family fund and pays advertisers wages.
Betting with mates is like doing drugs with mates.
There’s a honey moon period and generally down hill from there.
How about we talk with mates about all the healthy harmless passions we share!

The biggest Red Flag of them all in the gambling industry is if your winning (to much) like they advertise you will be banned/removed/investigated.
If you lose heaps of money your treated special/ welcomed with open arms.