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My grandmother was Canadian Inuit. I guess I could say that Im Inuit?
Taking sides over Dark Emu
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My grandmother was Canadian Inuit. I guess I could say that Im Inuit?
Kind of you to suggest 'Pascoe's heritage actually has nothing to do with the wider issue.' Perhaps its simply marketing.
These words from Helen Demidenko*:
'That said, Pascoe’s historical claims do require scrutiny. The man hasn’t written a novel but serious nonfiction. His core claim — that much of Aboriginal Australia was an agricultural and not a hunter-gatherer civilisation — is huge.'
By HELEN DALE
Revisiting the Demidenko affair, one of the defining culture wars of the 1990s, can help us understand the return of its protagonist to public life:
The return of Helen Demidenko: from literary hoaxer to political operator | Jeff Sparrow
Revisiting the Demidenko affair, one of the defining culture wars of the 1990s, can help us understand the return of its protagonist to public life
* Helen Demidenko aka Helen Dale
Helen Dale, aka Helen Darville, aka Helen Demidenko, author of The Hand that Signed the Paper.
The return of Helen Demidenko: from literary hoaxer to political operator | Jeff Sparrow
Revisiting the Demidenko affair, one of the defining culture wars of the 1990s, can help us understand the return of its protagonist to public life
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Not the sort of language that be acceptable to some mods, who would roll out the offended barrow.
Poor attempt to legitimise the content of Dark Emu by the ABC under cover of the Voice yes/no debate.
if.com.au
It did not succeed.
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It soon becomes clear that this falls a fair way short of a balanced or objective assessment of Bruce Pascoe’s fatally flawed book. It is, in fact, a rescue mission which, while it canvasses the critical views of Drs Peter Sutton and Kerryn Walshe – and gives Sutton, at least, a fair bit of air-time – overall it awards the book a clean bill of health. Although to be fair, the film does not purport to be a debate over the merits of the book, rather than an account of its phenomenon – The Dark Emu Story. It is clear, though, that its primary purpose is to rehabilitate the book.
'The Dark Emu Story' (Trailer) - IF Magazine
Allan Clarke's ‘The Dark Emu Story’ explores the cultural impact of Bruce Pascoe’s Dark Emu – the 2014 bestselling book claims that First Nations people were not only hunters and gatherers but also farmers who were part of a complex economic system.
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Dark Emu Gets a Gentle Whitewashing - Quadrant Online
You could almost feel sorry for Blackfella Films, where in 2017, when fauxborigine charlatan Bruce Pascoe and his fraudulent book were flying high, they set out to make a film about the hero of the moment. Then along came Bitter Harvest and suddenly they found themselves obliged to sing the...
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Quadrant? Is that the online conservative mouthpiece that once wished through insinuation that the ABC's Q & A program be bombed?
Is this also the same Quadrant that was set up with CIA funding during the Cold War?
It's a point of view that Quadrant are pushing. That's fair enough on its own but I don't know that I'd trust them as far as I could throw them though.
That is a figure of speech, by the way. Not a threat!!
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Quadrant editor issues 'unreserved' apology to the ABC over 'sick and unhinged' Manchester blast article
Quadrant's editor buckles to public and political pressure and apologises to ABC for comment piece.www.smh.com.au
...In the original piece Quadrant's online editor, Roger Franklin, wrote that "had there been a shred of justice", the Manchester blast would have "detonated in an Ultimo TV studio".
He added that, if such an attack took place, "none of the panel's likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity's intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty".
The contentious passage was later amended to begin: "What if that blast had detonated in an Ultimo TV studio?" and it remains on the journal's site, entitled "The Manchester Bomber's ABC Pals"...
Is this also the same Quadrant that was set up with CIA funding during the Cold War?
June 3 – 9, 2017
Quadrant and its slide into deluded extremism
Once seen as a journal of intellectual weight, today’s Quadrant has gone off-leash to become a ranting voice of the reactionary right.www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au
...Quadrant was born of the Cold War, in 1956. It was founded by Richard Krygier, a Polish refugee fleeing Nazism and communism. As recorded in detail by historian Cassandra Pybus in her book about its first editor, The Devil and James McAuley, much of Quadrant’s funding came from a US Central Intelligence Agency front organisation.
“Quadrant was one of 20 magazines the Congress for Cultural Freedom established in Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia,” Pybus wrote. “On advice from Bob Santamaria, Australia’s most virulent anti-communist campaigner, Krygier chose James McAuley as editor.”
More interesting than the simple fact of the CIA’s funding during McAuley’s 11-year tenure was its influence on the magazine. In Pybus’s version of events, the CIA was a force for moderation, its paymasters constantly pushing for more liberal voices in Quadrant and less of the likes of Santamaria. And Krygier and McAuley pushed back.
“The whole point of the covert operation was subtlety; to win over the left-leaning intellectuals to the American position, not further alienate them,” Pybus wrote...
It's a point of view that Quadrant are pushing. That's fair enough on its own but I don't know that I'd trust them as far as I could throw them though.
That is a figure of speech, by the way. Not a threat!!
Quadrant? Is that the online conservative mouthpiece that once wished through insinuation that the ABC's Q & A program be bombed?
Is this also the same Quadrant that was set up with CIA funding during the Cold War?
It's a point of view that Quadrant are pushing. That's fair enough on its own but I don't know that I'd trust them as far as I could throw them though.
That is a figure of speech, by the way. Not a threat!!
No argument, being aware there is more than one point of view is a must these days,
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While we teach students that much of history is contested we also try to teach students to consider the empirical evidence in deciding the strength of a historical argument. Based on the evidence in relation to Dark Emu, Sutton and Walshe's arguments are far stronger than Pascoe's. Pascoe's 'Dark Emu' is not a scholarly work and he himself is no professional, experienced qualified anthropologist or archaeologist like Sutton and Walshe are.
Pascoe's ancestry is of course completely irrelevant to the strength of his argument in 'Dark Emu'.
Article from the Conversation by archeologists talks about aboriginal food production and say much of the problem is a lack of a good data of what aboriginals did pre-colonization and trying to squish it into the narrow binary of “farming” and “hunter-gatherer”. The lack of data isn't just an Australia phenomena, the steps leading to farming in places like Mesopotamia are largely unknown.
'Archaeobotanists Anna Florin and Xavier Carah have observed that food production systems in northern Australia are very similar to those in Papua New Guinea. While we accept Papuan food gardens, Australian archaeologists have been less eager to embrace this idea for Australia.'
Nice graphic in the article showing aboriginal settlement types and food production systems.
'Archaeobotanists Anna Florin and Xavier Carah have observed that food production systems in northern Australia are very similar to those in Papua New Guinea. While we accept Papuan food gardens, Australian archaeologists have been less eager to embrace this idea for Australia.'
Nice graphic in the article showing aboriginal settlement types and food production systems.
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3000 year old pottery found in QLD. Andrew Bolt is going to be tearing his hair out trying to deny this.
"The Walmbaar Aboriginal Corporation chairperson, Kenneth McLean, is a Dingaal clan member and traditional owner of the group of islands on which the pottery was unearthed.
“For our elders Jiigurru was always a sacred place,” McLean said. “It was always a place of trading and ceremony.”
James Cook University distinguished professor Sean Ulm, who co-led the dig alongside Monash University’s Prof Ian McNiven and with the Dingaal and Ngurrumungu communities, says its finds not only overturn notions about Aboriginal people and pottery but a number of “very common tropes” about Indigenous Australians.
One is that they were all isolated from the rest of the world. Another regards the simplicity of Aboriginal watercraft.
The chain of islands of Jiigurru – of which the 10 square kilometre Lizard Island is the largest – surround a lagoon about 33km off Cape Flattery.
The 2.4-metre deep dig unearthed evidence of continuous occupation going back more than 6,000 years on the islands, cut off from the mainland by sea level rise at least 10,000 years ago."
"The Walmbaar Aboriginal Corporation chairperson, Kenneth McLean, is a Dingaal clan member and traditional owner of the group of islands on which the pottery was unearthed.
“For our elders Jiigurru was always a sacred place,” McLean said. “It was always a place of trading and ceremony.”
James Cook University distinguished professor Sean Ulm, who co-led the dig alongside Monash University’s Prof Ian McNiven and with the Dingaal and Ngurrumungu communities, says its finds not only overturn notions about Aboriginal people and pottery but a number of “very common tropes” about Indigenous Australians.
One is that they were all isolated from the rest of the world. Another regards the simplicity of Aboriginal watercraft.
The chain of islands of Jiigurru – of which the 10 square kilometre Lizard Island is the largest – surround a lagoon about 33km off Cape Flattery.
The 2.4-metre deep dig unearthed evidence of continuous occupation going back more than 6,000 years on the islands, cut off from the mainland by sea level rise at least 10,000 years ago."
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Pure fantasy.
Apparently, denial is strong in this one. Perhaps his last name is Bolt?
Yep, they're the same c***s.Quadrant? Is that the online conservative mouthpiece that once wished through insinuation that the ABC's Q & A program be bombed?
Is this also the same Quadrant that was set up with CIA funding during the Cold War?
It's a point of view that Quadrant are pushing. That's fair enough on its own but I don't know that I'd trust them as far as I could throw them though.
That is a figure of speech, by the way. Not a threat!!
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Your link works but there's no story.
The pottery could be from somewhere else and left there which is what the archaeologists are still trying to determine. Another has questioned why they even needed pottery since large shells with naturally occurring handles served the same purpose and were available throughout the Cape York area.
That's odd about the link. This one works
Early Aboriginal Pottery Unearthed in Australia | Sci.News
A team of archaeologists from James Cook University and elsewhere reports the oldest securely dated ceramics found in Australia from archaeological excavations on Jiigurru (Lizard Island) on the Great Barrier Reef, northeast Australia.
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Forgive me if I've missed it but has the bloke come up any evidence of his ancestry at all yet?
Shouldn't this be fairly straightforward if it exists, otherwise it's hard to take him seriously.
Shouldn't this be fairly straightforward if it exists, otherwise it's hard to take him seriously.
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Any evidence of ancient pottery on the mainland?
Maybe the fantasy was a completely backwards people that needed to be colonised to save them, one of those narratives soothed the ruling groups conscience as they nicked all their s**t
Don't think so, there is evidence of pottery over a 1000 year span and not the tell tale signs of Lapita, quite possible they absorbed some tech through trade
This article did note that they didn't have much use for pottery, maybe why it didn't spread far
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-04-10/aboriginal-pottery-jiigurru-lizard-island/103681662
"You need pottery to store things. You need pottery to cook [...] Aboriginal people all along that Cape York Peninsula coastline had no need to make pottery because they had big baler shells and big clam shells, which serve exactly the same purpose," Professor Wallis said."
Well it makes sense the Aboriginal people may not have needed the pottery due to the availability of natural alternatives like large shells, although these things would have been less available on the mainland, especially in inland areas. So one might expect a use for pottery in those areas to be more likely.
The article and finding from this dig weren't suggesting pottery was widespread across the continent
