So How Dangerous is COVID Really?
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It’s not serious compared to hospitals running out of oxygen, being overrun and people dying in the streets
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A quote taken directly from the government report under Figure 10. "Rates of the five most frequently reported reactions following COVID-19 vaccination (any brand) in 2021", to which you are really now showing your ignorance and lack of understanding of, or just straight out trolling.
It doesn't say not one confirmed as relating to the vaccine, only these were 'other reactions' listed that did not meet one of the 64 reaction types.
Shingles is a common adverse event following covid, reported in large numbers on the DAEN site run by the TGA. It is not something you fake and as these reports were after presenting to EDs, hospitals, GPs or nurses, then verified or confirmed by WAVSS or an expert committee convened by them.
But now you're calling people getting vaccinations, cookers reporting random stuff if they have adverse events?
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Which never happened at all in India in 2020 when with the serious variant of covid rampant there was almost no increase in excess deaths.
But it happened in 2021, when between May and July in in two states, there was a sharp increase in people needing hospitilisation and oxygen. Did not happen in other states that had over 280,000,000 people.
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What the fk are you talking about? Telegram channels??
This is official verified government data from WAVSS that I'm direct quoting from.
But you want to trust some random telegram channels.
Who's the real "cooker"?
So if you’re going to go variant by variant then I suppose you can look at Northern Italy for the earlier variant
I mean there’s evidence everywhere
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Book an appointment with your GP to discuss any concerns or information relevant to your specific situation. I believe that was the health advice for anyone with concerns or wanting further information.
Because, as we've seen well illustrated by you, most people simply are not equipped or sufficiently educated to interpret and dispense health information for themselves let alone anyone else.
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No it's not and that is why after getting all the reports of adverse events following immunisation (AEFI) the, Western Australia’s Vaccine Safety Advisory Committee (WAVSAC) met 31 times in 2021 (up from twice any other year), then "in May 2021 the WAVSAC convened a specialist sub-group, the Expert Clinical Review Group (ECRG), to individually review WAVSS reports which required specialist assessment. The ECRG met 34 times in 2021 and reviewed 849 WAVSS reports.”
They then reported on confirmed cases causally linked to the covid vaccinations.
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It's almost like the COVID vaccines were the most scrutinised and monitored vaccines ever made...
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Nothing to do with variants, except that was the worst but large areas of India in at least 6 States did extremely well in managing in 2020 with therapeutics treatments.
Actual evidence is published in the BMJ with records of deaths and excess deaths in different Indian States in 2020 and 2021, linked a few pages back.
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GPs will follow TGA advice, and with the 'provisional approval' the TGA gave, they are responsible for evaluating information including Pfizer trial data which were just released through FOA requests and had many red flags, and monitor safety signals both in Australia and the rest of the world.
But if the TGA don't release particular warnings for particular ages, sex, manufacturers then information to make an informed decision on the risks is missing.
Seems the FDA has now removed authorisation for Phizer and Moderna jabs in the US.
The monovalent Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines are no longer authorized for use in the United States.
This action includes authorizing the current bivalent vaccines (original and omicron BA.4/BA.5 strains) to be used for all doses administered to individuals 6 months of age and older, including for an additional dose or doses for certain populations.
Most individuals who have already received a single dose of the bivalent vaccine are not currently eligible for another dose. We intend to make decisions about future vaccination after receiving recommendations on the fall strain composition at an FDA advisory committee in June.
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Again, you're not as smart as you think you are, in the very quote you posted it explains this;
Everything to do with variants. Early on isolating was an effective tool but once the more transmissible variants came to be that approach without vaccines was proven ineffective (ie. what worked in India in 2020 no longer worked in 2021)
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India with huge numbers of people and overcrowding didn't isolate and didn't have excess deaths in 2020, as published in the BMJ.
What worked in India in 2020 was still working in India in 2021 in the States that were using it, again as shown in the published BMJ data.
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Three New Estimates of India’s All-Cause Excess Mortality during the COVID-19 Pandemic
India lacks an authoritative estimate of the death toll from the COVID-19 pandemic. We report excess mortality estimates from three different data sources from the pandemic’s start through June 2021. Estimating COVID-deaths with statistical confidence may prove elusive. But all estimates suggest...
Where's your BMJ link for the crowd to make their own assessment as to whether you've fully and accurately interpreted and quoted the data?
The joys of you continually misrepresenting things, is that at no point should anyone trust a single thing you say to be accurate.
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That what I posted!
What do you think it means?
Or do you have to go and consult someone saying something somewhere on Telegram?
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No you posted this;
Which is very different to them removing authorisation for the now superceded monovalent vaccine, given there's a newer bivalent vaccine available.
Your version is inaccurate and misrepresents what the FDA very specifically, and very clearly stated.
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Also this is quite ironic, Telegram is a known source for the anti-covid and conspiracy community, which would mean your kind of people, not mine.
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It was your link that I've already replied to in detail, but published in the Journal of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, 2022 May; 106(5): 1507–1510.Three New Estimates of India’s All-Cause Excess Mortality during the COVID-19 Pandemic
India lacks an authoritative estimate of the death toll from the COVID-19 pandemic. We report excess mortality estimates from three different data sources from the pandemic’s start through June 2021. Estimating COVID-deaths with statistical confidence may prove elusive. But all estimates suggest...cgdev.org
Where's your BMJ link for the crowd to make their own assessment as to whether you've fully and accurately interpreted and quoted the data?
The joys of you continually misrepresenting things, is that at no point should anyone trust a single thing you say to be accurate.
Preliminary Analysis of Excess Mortality in India During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Perhaps you should have read it first, along with a local news paper report I posted.
Preliminary Analysis of Excess Mortality in India During the COVID-19 Pandemic
We studied all-cause mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic in 19 Indian states (population 1.27 billion). Excess mortality was calculated by comparison with years 2015 to 2019. The known COVID-19 deaths reported for a state were assumed to be accurate, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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So you've drawn the conclusion that 2020 was nothing to see here and that 2021 saw a spike due to vaccines, to be clear?
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Now you just inventing stuff!
You know they are very different products don't you?
Every covid vaccine product on the US market has now had authorisation for use removed, except for the bivalent product.
It's only been available in Australia for general use since April and would be like Australia removing almost all of available their available covid - 19 jabs.
"Superceded" LOL. Or were there too many safety issues to keep ignoring with the other products?
It's only been tested on 8 mice and a few hundred people, investigational bivalent Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in individuals greater than 55 years of age, a retrospective cohort study conducted at the Cleveland Clinic Health System which found "an overall modest protective effect of the bivalent vaccine booster against COVID-19, among working-aged adults."
Made some interesting comments that in that study that for their working age cohort they've been reporting on since 16 December 2020, the effects of the Omicron variant was so mild "There were too few severe illnesses for the study to be able to determine if the vaccine decreased severity of illness."
They also found the "that the greater the number of vaccine doses previously received the higher the risk of COVID-19. This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19."
Effectiveness of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Bivalent Vaccine
Background The purpose of this study was to evaluate whether a bivalent COVID-19 vaccine protects against COVID-19. Methods Employees of Cleveland Clinic in employment on the day the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine first became available to employees, were included. The cumulative incidence of...
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I've drawn no conclusions but pointed out facts.
