Mega Thread Official Swans Pre Season "Training The House Down" Discussion Thread

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-...-big-swan-kurt-tippett-reveals-his-preference
KURT Tippett wants to be the number one ruckman at the Sydney Swans; but getting the big man to admit it wasn't easy.

When quizzed further about whether he wants to be the Swans' first choice ruckman when they kick off the year against the Magpies, Tippett laughed, caught between the need to stick to his club's mantra and his want to talk about his personal goals for 2016 and beyond.

"If I had my choice … I don't know … I'm easy either way … probably in the middle, (I'd like to) start in the middle," he said.
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My preference would be the opposite.
Tippett say 70% fwd, 30% ruck (and figures reversed for Sinclair).

Tippett as a power forward offers more, to our structure, than Tippett the ruckman.
Neither Sinclair or Tippett are going to be dominant ruckmen, so I'd prefer us to utilise Tippett's greater forward ability as much as we can.
 
hairy biker said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-...-big-swan-kurt-tippett-reveals-his-preference


My preference would be the opposite.
Tippett say 70% fwd, 30% ruck (and figures reversed for Sinclair).

Tippett as a power forward offers more, to our structure, than Tippett the ruckman.
Neither Sinclair or Tippett are going to be dominant ruckmen, so I'd prefer us to utilise Tippett's greater forward ability as much as we can.
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Mine as well.

Tippett - 70% forward, 30% ruck
Sinclair - 70% ruck and 30% forward

I hope Sinclair is as good a ruckman as Tippett is but I know Tippett is a much better forward than Sinclair.
 

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RUNVS said:
Mine as well.

Tippett - 70% forward, 30% ruck
Sinclair - 70% ruck and 30% forward

I hope Sinclair is as good a ruckman as Tippett is but I know Tippett is a much better forward than Sinclair.
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We didn't have a ruck division when we played them in round 16 Sinclair destroyed us 21 disposals/29 HO and a Goal.

Tippett last 6 weeks of the season was imo his best in a Swans guernsey was elite in terms of statistics.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
We didn't have a ruck division when we played them in round 16 Sinclair destroyed us 21 disposals/29 HO and a Goal.

Tippett last 6 weeks of the season was imo his best in a Swans guernsey was elite in terms of statistics.
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He should have destroyed us in round 16. I am not even sure if Pyke was playing that day but generally speaking in 2015 Pyke was not great due to his knee injury. Ruckmen should have been beating our ruck division easily.
 
RUNVS said:
He should have destroyed us in round 16. I am not even sure if Pyke was playing that day but generally speaking in 2015 Pyke was not great due to his knee injury. Ruckmen should have been beating our ruck division easily.
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Just excited if Tippett continues that form into 2016 and Sinclair can fit in as a mobile ruck option something we have really missed Tippett/Pyke/Derickxx/Nankervis all dinosaurs and not very agile around the ground so they were easily exploited.

Just look at this agility for a man his size.

 
i think with the new interchange rules, having two mobile ruckmen with good tanks is the way to go. Since Mummy left we haven't had a dominant ruck division, and we havent needed it really. However they split their time, it will be an improvement over recent years. I mean, Derjdjgdkgjyx for gods sake.
 
Sinclair is reasonable aerobically and covers the ground well and has reasonable pace for his size.....but don't get those things confused with the skills in regards to the contest we'll get in the middle..... Tippett covers him easily for agility below the knees and ball handling/winning at ground level. He was so good in the 2nd half of last year as well, partly, because he actually throws his weight around in the middle and gets down after the ball, something Sinclair will need to add more of into his game to even allow us the option to play Tippett forward 70/30, rather than likely 50/50 split we'll get.

People need to remember at WCE Sinclair was only rucking 25-30% of the game and was quite often protected from spending too much time on the best ruckman (who, let's be honest, gave him absolute baths), he's obviously got more chance and opportunity here to improve (we can't expect it to be instant either) so Tippett's going to have to spend more time in the ruck than we probably would want him to, especially in the 1st half of the year, while Sinclair's (hopefully) growing into the 1st ruck role.
As far as forward play that Sinclair goal against Melbourne was the exception, not the norm, Tippett kicks a goal like that every few weeks. Which is why, hopefully, by the end of the year Tippo's the one playing forward a bit more as he's a much more damaging option and one of our very few 'natural' goal kickers.

Sinclair needs to do more than just 'compete' imo (especially given the contract he got), he'll probably be getting the 3rd tall when playing forward (behind Buddy/Reid) so he really needs to clunking a few marks and kicking a goal or 2 most weeks (so defenders can't just zone off him), while when playing middle he needs to use his pace/running capacity against other ruckman to get around the ground and take marks/provide a solid link option between attack and defence, he's not going to beat most in the ruck so that's his advantage over 'most'.

Doesn't need to be a superstar by any means but just 'competing' (code word for trying not to get slaughtered too much while in the ruck) and getting 6 touches isn't enough. Simplistically looking at it from a raw stats perspective probably 10ish disposal average and 15+ goals, while being semi-competent in the ruck, should be the minimum aim/pass mark.

I'll back Sinclair to become a solid player for us in time, but barring some incredible transformation in the last 4-5 months, it's probably half a season at least before we can even start thinking about putting our (likely) desired ruck set up into practice is. God help our ruck division if Tippett gets injured or can't keep his form up though.
 
Jack2Jack said:
Sinclair is reasonable aerobically and covers the ground well and has reasonable pace for his size.....but don't get those things confused with the skills in regards to the contest we'll get in the middle..... Tippett covers him easily for agility below the knees and ball handling/winning at ground level. He was so good in the 2nd half of last year as well, partly, because he actually throws his weight around in the middle and gets down after the ball, something Sinclair will need to add more of into his game to even allow us the option to play Tippett forward 70/30, rather than likely 50/50 split we'll get.

People need to remember at WCE Sinclair was only rucking 25-30% of the game and was quite often protected from spending too much time on the best ruckman (who, let's be honest, gave him absolute baths), he's obviously got more chance and opportunity here to improve (we can't expect it to be instant either) so Tippett's going to have to spend more time in the ruck than we probably would want him to, especially in the 1st half of the year, while Sinclair's (hopefully) growing into the 1st ruck role.
As far as forward play that Sinclair goal against Melbourne was the exception, not the norm, Tippett kicks a goal like that every few weeks. Which is why, hopefully, by the end of the year Tippo's the one playing forward a bit more as he's a much more damaging option and one of our very few 'natural' goal kickers.

Sinclair needs to do more than just 'compete' imo (especially given the contract he got), he'll probably be getting the 3rd tall when playing forward (behind Buddy/Reid) so he really needs to clunking a few marks and kicking a goal or 2 most weeks (so defenders can't just zone off him), while when playing middle he needs to use his pace/running capacity against other ruckman to get around the ground and take marks/provide a solid link option between attack and defence, he's not going to beat most in the ruck so that's his advantage over 'most'.

Doesn't need to be a superstar by any means but just 'competing' (code word for trying not to get slaughtered too much while in the ruck) and getting 6 touches isn't enough. Simplistically looking at it from a raw stats perspective probably 10ish disposal average and 15+ goals, while being semi-competent in the ruck, should be the minimum aim/pass mark.

I'll back Sinclair to become a solid player for us in time, but barring some incredible transformation in the last 4-5 months, it's probably half a season at least before we can even start thinking about putting our (likely) desired ruck set up into practice is. God help our ruck division if Tippett gets injured or can't keep his form up though.
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watch Sinkers kick 6 with 30 odd hitouts first round.
 
Wayne Swan said:
Will Sinclair get a game, I thought Naismith will be our No.1 ruck :)

I'm hoping big Sammy gets on the park this year as I believe he is rated inside the club, just needs luck with injuries.
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Considering how desperate we were to get another ruck and overpaid to get one i don't think it bolds well for Naismith and Nankervis.

Will Sinclair get a game? he will play every game permitting injury.
 

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Jack2Jack said:
Sinclair is reasonable aerobically and covers the ground well and has reasonable pace for his size.....but don't get those things confused with the skills in regards to the contest we'll get in the middle..... Tippett covers him easily for agility below the knees and ball handling/winning at ground level. He was so good in the 2nd half of last year as well, partly, because he actually throws his weight around in the middle and gets down after the ball, something Sinclair will need to add more of into his game to even allow us the option to play Tippett forward 70/30, rather than likely 50/50 split we'll get.

People need to remember at WCE Sinclair was only rucking 25-30% of the game and was quite often protected from spending too much time on the best ruckman (who, let's be honest, gave him absolute baths), he's obviously got more chance and opportunity here to improve (we can't expect it to be instant either) so Tippett's going to have to spend more time in the ruck than we probably would want him to, especially in the 1st half of the year, while Sinclair's (hopefully) growing into the 1st ruck role.
As far as forward play that Sinclair goal against Melbourne was the exception, not the norm, Tippett kicks a goal like that every few weeks. Which is why, hopefully, by the end of the year Tippo's the one playing forward a bit more as he's a much more damaging option and one of our very few 'natural' goal kickers.

Sinclair needs to do more than just 'compete' imo (especially given the contract he got), he'll probably be getting the 3rd tall when playing forward (behind Buddy/Reid) so he really needs to clunking a few marks and kicking a goal or 2 most weeks (so defenders can't just zone off him), while when playing middle he needs to use his pace/running capacity against other ruckman to get around the ground and take marks/provide a solid link option between attack and defence, he's not going to beat most in the ruck so that's his advantage over 'most'.

Doesn't need to be a superstar by any means but just 'competing' (code word for trying not to get slaughtered too much while in the ruck) and getting 6 touches isn't enough. Simplistically looking at it from a raw stats perspective probably 10ish disposal average and 15+ goals, while being semi-competent in the ruck, should be the minimum aim/pass mark.

I'll back Sinclair to become a solid player for us in time, but barring some incredible transformation in the last 4-5 months, it's probably half a season at least before we can even start thinking about putting our (likely) desired ruck set up into practice is. God help our ruck division if Tippett gets injured or can't keep his form up though.
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6 possies!!! At that rate he is gettinh paid a 3rd of what nic nat is and getting 80% of nic nats touches..BARGAIN!!!!
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
You think Sinclair is worth 400-450k and a straight swap for Jetta?
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Sinclair was contracted and a required player at West Coast.

Jetta was out of contract going home to WA.

I think it's worth it, and with our list it puts us in a better position. Sinclair is a late bloomer, but I reckon that with Tippett we will have an awesome ruck combination.
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
You think Sinclair is worth 400-450k and a straight swap for Jetta?
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THe AVG salary is the high 300's yeah?

so <25% over avg wage for a physically developed ruckman with more experience than what we have in physically not ready boys, then yeah i do. Condsidering Jetts was gone. I'm happy to fill one spot on the list, that of our exiting #1 ruck.
 
magic.merkin said:
THe AVG salary is the high 300's yeah?

so <25% over avg wage for a physically developed ruckman with more experience than what we have in physically not ready boys, then yeah i do. Condsidering Jetts was gone. I'm happy to fill one spot on the list, that of our exiting #1 ruck.
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I just think for a guy who is 26 and played only 29 games we could of gotten more from that deal, on the flip side he will likely play his best football with us lets hope he can play a role for us :)
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
I just think for a guy who is 26 and played only 29 games we could of gotten more from that deal, on the flip side he will likely play his best football with us lets hope he can play a role for us :)
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Sinclair holds more value for us purely from a structual point of view. If we didnt get him, there was every chance that wed go into the season with tippett as our only recognised ruck, plus the impact that would have on our forward line. Tippett would have to spend more time in ruck,budd would likely have to play more minutes on 2 v1 situations, reid would spend more time forward reducing our ability to use him as a swing man
 
Heeney2Franklin said:
Considering how desperate we were to get another ruck and overpaid to get one i don't think it bolds well for Naismith and Nankervis.

Will Sinclair get a game? he will play every game permitting injury.
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Sam Naismith has just got a contract extension. A three year extension. Sam is going nowhere else but up. He is highly rated at the Swans but like most big men he has had injury problems, soft tissue injuries. They are nursing him along and we will see him at some point in the year. Naismith would have played last year if not for getting injured just when we needed a ruckman and Nanka took the gig.
 
Wolftone said:
Sam Naismith has just got a contract extension. A three year extension. Sam is going nowhere else but up. He is highly rated at the Swans but like most big men he has had injury problems, soft tissue injuries. They are nursing him along and we will see him at some point in the year. Naismith would have played last year if not for getting injured just when we needed a ruckman and Nanka took the gig.
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The blokes 24 this year, hed wanna pull his finger out
 
Sorry unsure where to ask this

Port have declared that our first nab challenge will be mainly kids/2nd 22

Any idea of how strong a line up you'llput out
 
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