Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Sqotty from office works]

soooooooooooo

what are the odds Mossad took our Iran's president

7/4 on

Chuckle schummer in America telling us what the fault was before any wreckage was looked at is a give away.
Keep on being American

 

[Chadwiko]

Israel's right to exist, sure. They exist right now. But when they constantly ignore UN resolutions, as they have done for decades, you should be able to see why there is a current pushback against Zionism.

At some point you will release that you are supporting a pariah/rogue state. What then?

I don't support Bibi, Likud, or far-right Israeli nationalism like we see in the nutjob Settlers.

But they are not "Israel".

 

[sr36]

Israel's right to exist, sure. They exist right now. But when they constantly ignore UN resolutions, as they have done for decades, you should be able to see why there is a current pushback against Zionism.

At some point you will release that you are supporting a pariah/rogue state. What then?

I think you've missed the point. They're talking about the way "Zionist" is being used as a slur. When to many "Zionists" it simply means supporting the existence of a Jewish state - supporting the existence of Israel - not supporting expansion or religious fundamentalism or whatever else is being ascribed to the meaning by some.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I don't support Bibi, Likud, or far-right Israeli nationalism like we see in the nutjob Settlers.

But they are not "Israel".

Currently they are the face of Israel.

 

[Chadwiko]

Currently they are the face of Israel.

Okay but that's like saying that under Scomo that you could encapsulate "Australia" by the likes of him, Pauline Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

It's a lazy generalisation.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Okay but that's like saying that under Scomo that you could encapsulate "Australia" by the likes of him, Pauline Hanson, and Clive Palmer.

It's a lazy generalisation.

That's roughly about half of Australia. Lets say, 48%.

 

[Chadwiko]

That's roughly about half of Australia. Lets say, 48%.

Not even close to 48%.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Not even close to 48%.

In people over 50 years old, it's probably more than 48%.

Thankfully, the younger, more progressive generations are able to vote now.

 

[Number37]

Nor do they all support settlements or are anti a Palestinian State or the war in Gaza. It's being used as a slur, in the same way it has in neo-Nazi propaganda for decades.

The overwhelming majority support it. Condone it. Want more of it.
"5 Israelis don't support what is happening...how dare you condemn all Israelis."

Straight out of the Zionist playbook.
Slaughtering 10's of thousands of children because a handful of terrorists attacked them.
Starving 2 million people to death for the same reason.
Israel's supporters have the f'ing nerve to cry 'not all Israelis".

 

[Saint]

But this is the problem entirely;

I am Jewish.
I support Israel's right to exist.
Therefore by definition I am a 'zionist'.

But I also abhor the warcrimes being conducted in Gaza and I support a two-state solution with a free and independent Palestine.

So where does your definition leave me?

This is why words matter.

I would suggest to you that you should not support Israel if you want a Jewish state to exist in peace and security. Because the behaviour of Israel is contrary to the support of a safe and peaceful Jewish State.

I think you've missed the point. They're talking about the way "Zionist" is being used as a slur. When to many "Zionists" it simply means supporting the existence of a Jewish state - supporting the existence of Israel - not supporting expansion or religious fundamentalism or whatever else is being ascribed to the meaning by some.

You'll have to take it up with the Zionist Federation of Australia who say it's about Israel specifically, not just "a" Jewish state.

Like the Nazis who were just there for the Nationalism or the Stalinists who were just in Communism for state efficiency, these words took on different meaning after a while.

It's not me who is making it into a "slur". It's Zionist groups themselves.

If there's another term you'd like me to use, I'd be happy to use it. But I'm not going to use 5-word phrases.

I won't stop calling out genocidal behaviour because of semantics.

 

[Saint]

There were members of Hamas who were school teachers and supported non-violent resistance. So should we stop saying bad things about Hamas too, just in case we offend some of the non-terrorist ones?

 

[ZEV]

i dunno, how about a few months ago when the IDF commandos dressed up as doctors and "euthanized" the three guys ina West Bank hospital, one who was a paraplegic?

Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have publicly declared that those men were members and you are upset about it?

 

[sr36]

You'll have to take it up with the Zionist Federation of Australia who say it's about Israel specifically, not just "a" Jewish state.

Like the Nazis who were just there for the Nationalism or the Stalinists who were just in Communism for state efficiency, these words took on different meaning after a while.

It's not me who is making it into a "slur". It's Zionist groups themselves.

If there's another term you'd like me to use, I'd be happy to use it. But I'm not going to use 5-word phrases.

I won't stop calling out genocidal behaviour because of semantics.

Yes, because the Jewish state is Israel.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

soooooooooooo

what are the odds Mossad took our Iran's president

Wouldn't surprise me. If so I hope Israel's leadership suffers the same fate.

 

[ZEV]

I would suggest to you that you should not support Israel if you want a Jewish state to exist in peace and security. Because the behaviour of Israel is contrary to the support of a safe and peaceful Jewish State.

You'll have to take it up with the Zionist Federation of Australia who say it's about Israel specifically, not just "a" Jewish state.

Like the Nazis who were just there for the Nationalism or the Stalinists who were just in Communism for state efficiency, these words took on different meaning after a while.

It's not me who is making it into a "slur". It's Zionist groups themselves.

If there's another term you'd like me to use, I'd be happy to use it. But I'm not going to use 5-word phrases.

I won't stop calling out genocidal behaviour because of semantics.

Just got back from Tel Aviv. Felt pretty safe to me.

Also what does not support Israel mean to you?

You have literally compared Zionist's to Nazi's, then deny making slurs.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have publicly declared that those men were members and you are upset about it?

THEY DRESSED AS MEDICAL STAFF IN ORDER TO KILL. THIS ENDANGERS TRUST IN ALL MEDICAL STAFF AND SHOULD BE A F*CKING CRIME NO MATTER WHO COMMITS IT.

 

[Chadwiko]

THEY DRESSED AS MEDICAL STAFF IN ORDER TO KILL. THIS ENDANGERS TRUST IN ALL MEDICAL STAFF AND SHOULD BE A F*CKING CRIME NO MATTER WHO COMMITS IT.

And Hamas fighters also dress as doctors and paramedics and have launched attacks thusly.

It's awful no matter who commits it. Agreed.

 

[faible]

All they learned was a lot of embarrassingly obvious misinformation.

Agreed, finally saw through all the junkets.

 

[faible]

And Hamas fighters also dress as doctors and paramedics and have launched attacks thusly.

It's awful no matter who commits it. Agreed.

It’s a war crime no matter who commits it AFAIK.

 

[Chief]

And Hamas fighters also dress as doctors and paramedics and have launched attacks thusly.

It's awful no matter who commits it. Agreed.

So you agree Israel should stop the killing?

 

[ZEV]

THEY DRESSED AS MEDICAL STAFF IN ORDER TO KILL. THIS ENDANGERS TRUST IN ALL MEDICAL STAFF AND SHOULD BE A F*CKING CRIME NO MATTER WHO COMMITS IT.

The terrorists were dressed as patients!

 

[faible]

The terrorists were dressed as patients!

At least one was a patient receiving treatment.

 

[Chadwiko]

So you agree Israel should stop the killing?

Yes, unequivocally.

Israel has been inflicting an apartheid on to Palestine for decades and are now committing atrocities on Gaza without regard for civilian life. It's awful.

And on the flipside... Once this conflict ends, Palestinians should elect leadership with a genuine desire to achieve peace.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Just got back from Tel Aviv. Felt pretty safe to me.

what were you wearing?

 

[Chadwiko]

what were you wearing?