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sorted said:
Wow!

I don't want to start insinuating against individual athletes but you do wonder about records that stood for 29 years. Then also when someone beats it by almost a second, and two other athletes go under that 29 year best time.
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Especially when its post covid 2020 when basically no testing was done.
 
catstorm said:
My doubts about this Olympics has been increasing exponentially as it has progressed, watching the sheer number of PBs getting smashed across the board and inexplicable improvements of athletes (Including Australians) has left me with the belief that this is probably the most tainted Olympics since those dark days back in late 80s early 90s.

Some of the results you look at and go, that just does not make sense, and when I get that feeling I just can't trust it is a legitimate result.
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Basil: Oh no not our Arnie!!

***Maybe the COVID vaccines give everyone a boost like a berocca gives you a b-b-bounce ? :p
 

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JackNah_8 said:
I wonder how much drug testing was during covid19 last year
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Jacquelin Magnay wrote this article in The Oz on 17 July, weekend before games started that was syndicated in The Adelaide Advertiser on the same day.

ABP = Athlete Biological Passport.

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RussellEbertHandball said:
Jacquelin Magnay wrote this article in The Oz on 17 July, weekend before games started that was syndicated in The Adelaide Advertiser on the same day.

ABP = Athlete Biological Passport.

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Further reports (below)
Drug testing definitely decreased during the pandemic year.
I can't remember an event with so many athletes breaking PBs




wwos.nine.com.au

Testing slowdown sparks 'dirty games' theory

'Unless you're a fool, you'd have to be concerned'
wwos.nine.com.au wwos.nine.com.au
 
JackNah_8 said:
Further reports (below)
Drug testing definitely decreased during the pandemic year.
I can't remember an event with so many athletes breaking PBs

wwos.nine.com.au

Testing slowdown sparks 'dirty games' theory

'Unless you're a fool, you'd have to be concerned'
wwos.nine.com.au wwos.nine.com.au
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Some people are trying say the new technology track is responsible for the record times. Every stadium is looking for a new magic surface so the Tokyo track could be responsible for a slight improvement. It doesn't account for a half a second improvement in a 400m race. It's massive.

It also doesn't account for both the men's and women's 400m records being broken a month before Tokyo on different non-magical surfaces.
 
sorted said:
Some people are trying say the new technology track is responsible for the record times. Every stadium is looking for a new magic surface so the Tokyo track could be responsible for a slight improvement. It doesn't account for a half a second improvement in a 400m race. It's massive.

It also doesn't account for both the men's and women's 400m records being broken a month before Tokyo on different non-magical surfaces.
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I don't know about on the track, but in the Marathon the super shoes are worth > 4% on the time according to the research they've done, depending on some individual factors.
 
sorted said:
Kevin Young's 400m hurdles record stood for 19 years until Karsten Warholm took 0.08 of second off it last month. In the Olympic final not only did Warholm go almost a second under Young's old record but two other athletes went under the old time.

In the men's 100m all three medalists set PBs. The winner, Marcell Jacobs was a long-jump specialist who had never broken 10 seconds until May this year then ran 9.80 in the final.

In the women's 100m Elaine Thompson Herah broke Florence Griffith-Joyner's Olympic record set in 1988. The bronze medalist also set a new PB.

The women's triple jump saw a new world record over the one that had stood since 1995. The silver and bronze medalists also set new PBs.

Individually you can't point to cheating but taken together it looks like some athletes have taken advantage of the lack of testing.
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Could also be the shoes/track/uninterrupted training. Hard to tell with so many different factors
 
owen87 said:
I don't know about on the track, but in the Marathon the super shoes are worth > 4% on the time according to the research they've done, depending on some individual factors.
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>=4% running efficiency. About 1-2% reduction in time at the elite level. Likely to be reduced benefit in shorter events I think
 

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pepsi said:
PBs are to be expected, but the amount we've seen in the athletics (including national and area records already) seem unusually high. Don't think there were that many PBs amongst the winners at the swimming.
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I can't remember the exact PBs broken in swimming.

Though agreed that we have seen a large amount of PBs broken in athletics.


Edit: here's one breakdown of records broken


www.economist.com

Olympic records are being broken at a record pace

Technology has helped mainly in equipment-based sports, but athletics is catching up
www.economist.com www.economist.com
 
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catstorm said:
My doubts about this Olympics has been increasing exponentially as it has progressed, watching the sheer number of PBs getting smashed across the board and inexplicable improvements of athletes (Including Australians) has left me with the belief that this is probably the most tainted Olympics since those dark days back in late 80s early 90s.

Some of the results you look at and go, that just does not make sense, and when I get that feeling I just can't trust it is a legitimate result.
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Dont discount technology. The athletics track apparently is almost like floating in air. also lot of talk about the shoes.

weren’t that many world records in swimming cos they don’t wear super suits anymore even though they probably continue to make better pools.

technology is a huge part both in the equipment and the environment. Dont just assume drugs. There are lots of other variables too.
 
Mateyman said:
>=4% running efficiency. About 1-2% reduction in time at the elite level. Likely to be reduced benefit in shorter events I think
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1% over the 400 is about half a second, so it’s in the ballpark for what we saw in that hurdles event.

Whilst I don’t think athletes are all competing clean, I also don’t think we’re revisiting the free for all 80s and that there’s some technological factors at play.

Similar to the track cycling where they’ve built a super fast track. It doesn’t preclude the benefits of the other stuff you mentioned, nor doping, but it’s definitely playing a part in athletics and track cycling WRs IMO.
 
owen87 said:
1% over the 400 is about half a second, so it’s in the ballpark for what we saw in that hurdles event.

Whilst I don’t think athletes are all competing clean, I also don’t think we’re revisiting the free for all 80s and that there’s some technological factors at play.

Similar to the track cycling where they’ve built a super fast track. It doesn’t preclude the benefits of the other stuff you mentioned, nor doping, but it’s definitely playing a part in athletics and track cycling WRs IMO.
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Technology has no doubt been huge in the distance running records tumbling recently. It's less clear on the shorter stuff but I'm sure some scientists will work it out soon enough
 
Mateyman said:
Technology has no doubt been huge in the distance running records tumbling recently. It's less clear on the shorter stuff but I'm sure some scientists will work it out soon enough
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Yes, sadly my favourite sports science blogger (Ross Tucker) hasn’t done a post on it since the Marathon, hopefully he’ll do one post games. He’s done a few Twitter comments but nothing particularly in depth, moreso a commentary on that 2nd place runner in the Women’s 200.
 
sorted said:
Quite a few Olympic records and a few new World records in the swimming.

World and Olympic records set at the 2020 Summer Olympics - Wikipedia

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There were a few questions being asked after Ahmed Hafnaoui qualified last in the 400m freestyle then won the gold medal. He has knocked 6 seconds off his time since the start of the year.
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Thats not unheard of for a distance swimming event.

steven Holland went 15.27 in the 1500m and dropped it down to 15.10 within a year. Hackett snapped 7 seconds off Perkins’ world record.
Perkins himself was already reasonably elite and swum a 9 second PB at the world titles in perth (still lost)

obviously it’s a longer race so the intervals will be bigger but we are talking world record holders here smashing big chunks off their own times or existing world records in one hit.

in an Olympic year I don’t really see someone incrementally knocking 6 seconds off their PB as being that suspicious
 
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PhatBoy said:
Thats not unheard of for a distance swimming event.

steven Holland went 15.27 in the 1500m and dropped it down to 15.10 within a year. snapped 7 seconds off Perkins’ world record.
Perkins himself was already reasonably elite and swum a 9 second PB at the world titles in perth (still lost)

obviously it’s a longer race so the intervals will be bigger but we are talking world record holders here smashing big chunks off their own times or existing world records in one hit.

in an Olympic year I don’t really see someone incrementally knocking 6 seconds off their PB as being that suspicious
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Jon Sieben knocked off 3-4 seconds off his PB when he won Gold over Gross
 
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