Strategy An Unfortunate Opportunity - The Case for Playing a Single Ruckman

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So harsh winter has blown a very cold wind our way.

Less than four months after his return from an ACL injury, it has been confirmed Naitanui has suffered the same injury in his other knee.

The most influential player in the team (and arguably the entire competition), losing his impact places a serious dent into our premiership chances… Or does it?

Could it be a case that his unfortunate injury could present an opportunity for the team to improve?


The Difficulty of Playing NicNat

It is without question that Naitanui is one of the standout players in the league – a one-in-a-generation talent that is able to impose himself upon stoppage contests unlike many others in the history of the sport.

He does have a downside however: if you have Naitanui in the team then you need to play an understudy also, as his management requires spending comparatively small amounts of time on the ground for a first-choice player. It is not a question of whether Nic is ever able to ruck by himself, there always needs to be a second specialist ruck in the team in order to compete during the 35-40% time when he is on the bench.

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As you can see playing Naitanui requires the involvement of two specialist rucks in the squad. This means of course the secondary ruck must play a non-preferred role for considerable periods of the game; otherwise the team effectively loses a bench rotation, which would severely impact the output from the midfield. These non-preferred roles are generally the following:
  • Deployed as a spare in defence – this is a traditional second ruck role that is not often utilised in recent times due to greater emphasis upon speed and disposal efficiency in the modern game.
  • Deployed as an extra key forward – this tends to be the modern utilisation for a second or resting ruckman.
Considering we deploy a gameplan around highly effective disposal, switching and running from the backline; the former is not an option for us. Additionally, having a second ruckman up forward for extended periods when we already have three key forwards can be problematic when it comes to ground ball gets and retaining forward half possession.

For example, there are correlations between the amount of time we have multiple rucks are on the ground and increases in opposition rebound percentage and decreases in our total number of disposals.

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Playing two rucks is without doubt a handicap upon our performance, but Naitanui is so good that if he is fit you play him anyway.


The Accidental Hero

Enter Scott Lycett. A different breed of ruckman to Naitanui. Whereas Nic is defined by his leaping and deft tapwork, Lycett has the ability to get to stoppages over and over again. His strength is his will to compete. In other words, Naitanui is to Gardiner as Lycett is to Cox.

The key is Lycett is aerobically more than capable of playing out a match as a solo ruckman. The unfortunate fact is, through a combination of injury and conservative selection; he has never had a chance to prove himself this way.

The closest is all the way back in Round 19, 2015.
He played almost 80% in the ruck with McGovern and Yeo filling the rest. He had what still remains career-high figures for hit outs, clearances and contested possessions that night in a dominant performance that would have given us the win if not for Sam Mitchell’s brilliance. No wonder he is frustrated and looking for further opportunities elsewhere.

If not for Naitanui’s injury, Lycett would certainly be leaving the club. Now the opportunity of a lifetime has presented itself however, he may just be exactly what we need – if we use him correctly.

There is no reason why we cannot deploy Lycett as a singular ruckman for the remaining games this season, supplementing Waterman, Yeo and Ah Chee as chop-out rucks during the short stints when he is on the bench.

The upcoming rounds against sides with weakened/injured ruck stocks presents the perfect opportunity to try such a strategy.


The additional midfield rotation and positional flexibility imbued to the squad may well be just what we need to conquer the MCG this September and become premiers once again.
 
Too true. Yes we play 2 rucks but its only in name. I don't think you play 2 Lycett's.
Only issue I have is Lycett's ability to remain uninjured and presents the case for a proper backup ruck to him.
 

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Only issue I have is Lycett's ability to remain uninjured and presents the case for a proper backup ruck to him.

This.

I would be so, so worried if we went in with a single ruck for the next 6 games. Only takes one injury to Slyce to f*ck up our finals push. It is so critical that he remains in prime condition.
 
I don't think there is any real correlation between % time of ruckmen on ground and total disposals. Your trend line is misleading.

It's pretty clear that having the ball rebound out a lot is bad for your chances of winning the game. The sample size is small but you can see 3 of our 4 losses have occurred with high ruckman TOG %. They also corresponded to not playing JJK and JD due to injury. How did you determine who was second ruck in these games? These matches would have seen a lot more TOG for our rucks as KPF stopgaps. The fact they are not good forwards compared to JJK and JD and that directly impacted our chances of winning the games is hardly damning IMO...
 
Everyone is shitting themselves that if lycett goes down mid game we will lose. Fact is just about every club plays with this risk every week.
Same from a season perspective, very few clubs, the reigning premiers included, have back up ruckmen any better than Vardy. I think we have relied on our safety blanket for too long and its time to swing our big hairy aggats in the breeze and see what the big man can do solo.
 
I don't think there is any real correlation between % time of ruckmen on ground and total disposals. Your trend line is misleading.

It's pretty clear that having the ball rebound out a lot is bad for your chances of winning the game. The sample size is small but you can see 3 of our 4 losses have occurred with high ruckman TOG %. They also corresponded to not playing JJK and JD due to injury. How did you determine who was second ruck in these games? These matches would have seen a lot more TOG for our rucks as KPF stopgaps. The fact they are not good forwards compared to JJK and JD and that directly impacted our chances of winning the games is hardly damning IMO...
Its not just misleading, its total BS. its like a random spread of points, and a line that has no relationship to the points whatsoever. The only relationship the line has is to the direction the OP needs it to go in to make his point.
 
Graphs aside, he makes a compelling point. Lycett clearly wants more responsibility and has the tools to be #1 ruck, and these next few weeks are a perfect chance to give him the chance. I’m all for it, and it allows us to have that extra rotation/utility.
 
Excellent OP. No disrespect to Vardy, but him in as a direct replacement into NNs role makes us undoubtedly a worse team. No doubt if Vardy plays, he spends more time fwd than NN did, which then affects the balance of a fwd line that has worked beautifully all year.

The one way to get a positive from it, is to add an extra mid to the rotations. Our ability to run out 4th qtrs has generally been pretty good this year (bar Adelaide and St Kilda), but with the extra mid rotating could become a real strength. Luckily we have a very good mid in waiting to crack a spot too.

Is at least worth a trial and this week is as good as ever a time to do it.
 
Personally, I think West Coast should keep to the same structure. Playing two rucks has worked to our advantage.

I think Vardy is actually more agile and has quicker hands than Lycett. I fear if Lycett rucks alone then someone like Schofield, McGovern and Yeo will be forced to undertake back up ruck and we can’t afford for either of the latter two to get injured.

I also don’t believe Lycett will be able to neutralize opposition rucks for the whole duration of the match. We will need a second quality ruckman to help us gain a advantage.
 
I think it depends on the opposition for instances against Melbourne I'd play vardy as well let the two guys work him over. Against a team like the doggies with poor/inexperienced rucks I'd let slyce go solo
 

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If we do not play Vardy as back up, nominate the player you want to spend 20% of the game getting kneed, knocked and belted.
 
Only reason Nic Nat's time on ground was so low is because of how high he jumped.

:cry:

Simmo has indicated that he plans to try both single and dual ruckmen, which I think is sensible. Given that plan, the conditions & the opposition this week definitely make this game favourable for a single ruck trial. After hearing the plan I'm sold*.

* provided it's not Yeo or Gov spelling him
 
If we do not play Vardy as back up, nominate the player you want to spend 20% of the game getting kneed, knocked and belted.

20% of the game equates to (very) roughly 5 centre square ruck contests and 10 around the ground ruck contests. Around the ground rucking is generally more wrestling than knees and knocks.

I imagine in a one ruck setup, we'd have a mix of backups. If we have say Yeo, Gov and Waterman sharing the backup duties (as an example), that's under 2 centre square ruck contests and about 3 around the ground ruck contests each per game. I think whoever we get to do it would be ok.
 
This talk of which ruckman to play after we lost NN is a conversation I don’t want to have.

It’s like thinking about which homeless shelter you’ll try to get into. If your life goes **** up.
 
I say Lycett gets backed in to go solo ruck. Sink or swim. Give him the responsibility he supposedly craves.

He's been banging on about being solo ruck and underachieving playing 2nd fiddle to Nicnat, being patient for his opportunity and blah blah blah for ages.

Time for the campaigner to put up. If he can't cut the mustard as a #1 AFL ruckman, then he's done well to last on an AFL list this long with the injuries he's had.

Hickey, Boyd, Roughead, Stanley, Phillips, Simpson, Bellchambers have all carried their teams ruck solo at stages this year, and they aren't exactly guns.

This unwavering rule of carrying 2 rucks to appease Naitanui's inability to ruck solo now needs to be turfed. We have to evolve from that.
 
I say Lycett gets backed in to go solo ruck. Sink or swim. Give him the responsibility he supposedly craves.

He's been banging on about being solo ruck and underachieving playing 2nd fiddle to Nicnat, being patient for his opportunity and blah blah blah for ages.

Time for the campaigner to put up. If he can't cut the mustard as a #1 AFL ruckman, then he's done well to last on an AFL list this long with the injuries he's had.

Hickey, Boyd, Roughead, Stanley, Phillips, Simpson, Bellchambers have all carried their teams ruck solo at stages this year, and they aren't exactly guns.

This unwavering rule of carrying 2 rucks to appease Naitanui's inability to ruck solo now needs to be turfed. We have to evolve from that.

100% agree.

We have been so obsessed with 2 ruckman ever since 2004/2005 where we had a gun ruckman in Cox and a backup and then Nic Nat and a backup.
 
This talk of which ruckman to play after we lost NN is a conversation I don’t want to have.

It’s like thinking about which homeless shelter you’ll try to get into. If your life goes **** up.

This isn't a hypothetical conversation. Nic Nat is gone, we need to deal with it right now cos we have a flag to win.
 
So harsh winter has blown a very cold wind our way.

Less than four months after his return from an ACL injury, it has been confirmed Naitanui has suffered the same injury in his other knee.

The most influential player in the team (and arguably the entire competition), losing his impact places a serious dent into our premiership chances… Or does it?

Could it be a case that his unfortunate injury could present an opportunity for the team to improve?


The Difficulty of Playing NicNat

It is without question that Naitanui is one of the standout players in the league – a one-in-a-generation talent that is able to impose himself upon stoppage contests unlike many others in the history of the sport.

He does have a downside however: if you have Naitanui in the team then you need to play an understudy also, as his management requires spending comparatively small amounts of time on the ground for a first-choice player. It is not a question of whether Nic is ever able to ruck by himself, there always needs to be a second specialist ruck in the team in order to compete during the 35-40% time when he is on the bench.

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As you can see playing Naitanui requires the involvement of two specialist rucks in the squad. This means of course the secondary ruck must play a non-preferred role for considerable periods of the game; otherwise the team effectively loses a bench rotation, which would severely impact the output from the midfield. These non-preferred roles are generally the following:
  • Deployed as a spare in defence – this is a traditional second ruck role that is not often utilised in recent times due to greater emphasis upon speed and disposal efficiency in the modern game.
  • Deployed as an extra key forward – this tends to be the modern utilisation for a second or resting ruckman.
Considering we deploy a gameplan around highly effective disposal, switching and running from the backline; the former is not an option for us. Additionally, having a second ruckman up forward for extended periods when we already have three key forwards can be problematic when it comes to ground ball gets and retaining forward half possession.

For example, there are correlations between the amount of time we have multiple rucks are on the ground and increases in opposition rebound percentage and decreases in our total number of disposals.

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Playing two rucks is without doubt a handicap upon our performance, but Naitanui is so good that if he is fit you play him anyway.


The Accidental Hero

Enter Scott Lycett. A different breed of ruckman to Naitanui. Whereas Nic is defined by his leaping and deft tapwork, Lycett has the ability to get to stoppages over and over again. His strength is his will to compete. In other words, Naitanui is to Gardiner as Lycett is to Cox.

The key is Lycett is aerobically more than capable of playing out a match as a solo ruckman. The unfortunate fact is, through a combination of injury and conservative selection; he has never had a chance to prove himself this way.

The closest is all the way back in Round 19, 2015.
He played almost 80% in the ruck with McGovern and Yeo filling the rest. He had what still remains career-high figures for hit outs, clearances and contested possessions that night in a dominant performance that would have given us the win if not for Sam Mitchell’s brilliance. No wonder he is frustrated and looking for further opportunities elsewhere.

If not for Naitanui’s injury, Lycett would certainly be leaving the club. Now the opportunity of a lifetime has presented itself however, he may just be exactly what we need – if we use him correctly.

There is no reason why we cannot deploy Lycett as a singular ruckman for the remaining games this season, supplementing Waterman, Yeo and Ah Chee as chop-out rucks during the short stints when he is on the bench.

The upcoming rounds against sides with weakened/injured ruck stocks presents the perfect opportunity to try such a strategy.


The additional midfield rotation and positional flexibility imbued to the squad may well be just what we need to conquer the MCG this September and become premiers once again.

*BOW*
 

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