Preview 2024 Round 10 Sydney v Carlton (SCG) Friday 17th May 7.40pm (AEST)

[Stencorp69]

Francis has 6-7 cms on Fox, he will stay in I reckon, unless Tmac is somehow ok, which I presume not.

I dont think they make a change this week unless Tmac fit.

Francis seemed below the rest of the team last night. He probably would have got sub early if the game was closer, but game time at a higher level can only benefit. I thought Fox would have been better, but awesome to have so much choice.

 

[Millky95]

Francis seemed below the rest of the team last night. He probably would have got sub early if the game was closer, but game time at a higher level can only benefit. I thought Fox would have been better, but awesome to have so much choice.

I don't know, Francis got better as the game went on I feel

 

[The King!]

Francis seemed below the rest of the team last night. He probably would have got sub early if the game was closer, but game time at a higher level can only benefit. I thought Fox would have been better, but awesome to have so much choice.

I thought Francis got better as it went , plus the height will matter v the Blues. I mean if Mccartin is right to go it doesn't matter.

 

[The King!]

We also need to remember to kick 30 plus if we want marks to count

 

[Swannie0307]

When I put my hand up to do this preview I did indicate that facts, statistics, data, or anything remotely relevant to the actual game may be missing...well SwansProudly does that brilliantly every week in her gameday preview, so who am I to impinge?

So instead if you should choose to embark on the journey within, you will be assaulted by much nonsense but perhaps at least once, a little snippet will result in a cocked eyebrow and the mild exclamation of 'I didn't know that'.
Tis as much as either of us can hope.

Donald J Trump, (bibles now on special), was recently asked which businessman from history he most admired.
Unsurprisingly he answered himself.

When pressed he finally nominated John Dorman Elliott (JDE), who like himself, had no morals or ethics, was egotistical beyond measure and whose attitude to women made Donald seem almost courteous.
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At least none of Donald's wives arrived home from an early morning walk to be met by a media scrum who informed her, much to her surprise, that JDE had sold their family home. The very home she had set out from 1 hour previously.

Of course Elliott was also the President of Carlton football club for ~20 years, during which time Carlton won 2 premierships (yep that figure is correct) and helped the Pratt's family fortune grow by always ensuring only Visy brown paper bags were used for under the table payments.

Now it is well known that under Elliott, Carlton tried to buy the Swans after the Edelstein venture collapsed.
Thankfully the other clubs had the sense to reject the bid and supported The True Believers (Mike Willesee, Basil Sellers, John Gerahty, Peter Weinert and Craig Kimberley.) to bring the club back from the dead.

What is less well known is that when the (then) VFL was first examining private ownership of clubs that Elliott on his own behalf had expressed an interest in purchasing the Swans.

So that's twice we were saved from JDE and he was allowed to forever tarnish the name of Carlton Football Club instead.

Carlton trying to muscle in on Sydney should come as no surprise.
They in fact played in the first Aussie Rules game in Sydney.
In 1877 they travelled from Melbourne to play a local rugby club called the Waratahs.
2 games were played, one under Rugby rules, the other under Australian football rules.
For the record, unsurprisingly the Waratahs won the rugby game and lost the other.

Of course after Elliott was pissed off from Carlton the interesting parade of Presidents and 'influential benefactors' continued.

It always amused me that not long after Steven Trigg took over as CEO of Carlton he pronounced;
"We need to build a club that stands on its feet without... philanthropy."

The statement was made at a dinner for 100 of the club's wealthiest supporters hosted at Jeanne Pratt's mansion, back in 2015.
So basically we need to stand on our own two feet without philanthropy and could you please give us a few million to start us off and please Bruce Mathieson can we keep the pokies?
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And yes that is the same Steven Trigg who in his previous role as Adelaide Crows CEO had framed Kurt Tippett's contract in such a manner that it resulted in them losing Tippett without compensation, being banned from the first 2 rounds of the 2013 draft and being fined $300,000.
Trigg himself was fined $50k and banned for 6 months.

So of course Carlton thought that's the man we need.

And Trigg didn't disappoint.
He signed up Dodgy Andy Demetriou's nephew's company CareerOne as a major sponsor of Carlton and a its parent company (Acquire Learning) as shorts sponsor.
They both went under failing to meet the promised sponsorship for year 3 of their contract.
Blackhole of over $1 million....but at Carlton easily solved by a phone call 'Hello Jeanne I was wondering if you had any spare cash lying around?'.

Now much as it pains me to say it I'm a big fan of their current CEO in Brian Cook.
When Mathieson started a campaign to sack Voss last year Cook publicly came out and said Voss isn't going anywhere and your nephew can piss off from the Board as well. Both of which eventuated.

(As an aside I can't help but feel the AFL would have been far far better off with Cook becoming AFL CEO back in the day rather than dodgy Andy Demetriou). But that's for another day.

There have been many classic GFs over the years, but one that is undoubtedly etched into the history of the VFL/AFL is the 'Bloodbath' GF of 1945 between the 2 clubs. Let's face it any game nicknamed the Bloodbath is always going to be hard to overlook.

Of course typical Carlton it was played at Princes Park, their home ground.

South Melbourne had finished the season as minor premiers, Carlton fourth.
It was generally considered a 2 horse race between South and (ladder runners-up) Collingwood.
Collingwood comfortably led Carlton in the preliminary final, when a wild brawl lasting several minutes erupted.
The tide turned and Carlton made it to the GF.
It would prove a portent for what was to ensue the following week.

Early in the GF Carlton's Bob Chitty decked our youngest player in 17yo Ron Clegg and later our second youngest in Bill Williams.
Both of our youngsters would, many a long year later, be named in our Team of the Century. (FWIW Chitty was named as an emergency for Carlton's TOTC).

Come the 4th qtr Clegg was again put down, at which point as they might say in American sports, the benches cleared and police had to enter the arena.

The great Laurie Nash did reminisce about his joy in 'punching out' Bob Chitty.

Some indication of Chitty's behaviour can be measured by the fact that he played 146 league games and was suspended for 16 weeks over his career, in the days when murdering an opposition player was generally considered worthy of a reprimand.

Many a punishment was handed out at the tribunal following the match.
But thankfully then as now they identified the real issues and South's Ted Whitfield was suspended for two weeks for time-wasting by kicking the ball away after a free kick.
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Pleased to report no further incidents of such nature have occurred in recent times and over the years many kind and courteous gentlemen such as David Rhys-Jones and Greg Williams have represented both clubs with distinction.

And speaking of distinction one should note John Nicholls.
I believe the only one of the original 12 AFL Hall of Fame legends to have served time in prison, in 1960, for embezzling the equivalent (in today's dollar terms) of ~$100,000 from the bank where he worked.
Sentenced to 12 months jail, he was released after three on parole.
Contrary to popular myth Nicholls (during his 3 month imprisonment) was not releaed on Saturdays to play for Carlton

I'm sure however Nicholls eventual release was much to the pleasure of Sir Robert Menzies, who observed all, puffing away on his cigar, from his Bentley parked, on his purpose built ramp, overlooking Princes Park;
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Now some may see this as elitist, however I view it completely differently.
It enabled him to sit in the outer (albeit in a Bentley) and avoid the riff raff that ran the club.

As a final note regarding Nicholls he was also convicted of passing dud cheques in 1980 and fined.
His lawyer noted 'Nicholls was not good at organising his financial affairs'.

I promised I wouldn't overburden people with numbers, but to help your tipping this week, over the years we have kicked
2507.2694 17736pts to Carlton's 2661.2925 18891pts.

We have also won 9 of our last 10 games in Sydney v Carlton dating back to June 2013.

(Sorry to overwhelm you with stats).

I'm tipping a win for the True Believers, by 36*.

* The same amount in millions that Richard Pratt & Visy were fined in 2007 for price fixing.

Nice work
I’ve scheduled some time tomorrow to read the 2nd half

 

[Wolfgang West]

If Mccartin doesn't play Id keep Francis in for his confidence.

Big ask for the defence though, would Francis or Rampe take the other tall

Francis was appalling last night against a pop gun attack how do you think he will fair against Curnow and McKay ? Play him for his confidence? Fox would be a much better choice even being undersized. If we are now picking blokes for the benefit of their confidence you better give Parker a game because his would be just about
****ed

 

[Punts]

Francis was appalling last night against a pop gun attack how do you think he will fair against Curnow and McKay ? Play him for his confidence? Fox would be a much better choice even being undersized. If we are now picking blokes for the benefit of their confidence you better give Parker a game because his would be just about
****ed

 

[The King!]

Francis was appalling last night against a pop gun attack how do you think he will fair against Curnow and McKay ? Play him for his confidence? Fox would be a much better choice even being undersized. If we are now picking blokes for the benefit of their confidence you better give Parker a game because his would be just about
****ed

Yeah because continuity never helped a player before.

Francis didn't star last night but he was serviceable and improved as the night went.


If you think he was appalling we watched different games.

For the record I would have kept Fox in before last night over Francis.

Parker on Curnrow ? guess he would fight

 

[yodellinhank]

Really looking forward to this one.

 

[The King!]

Polly Waffle bites are appalling

 

[swanssince2002]

I know we want Parker back into the side but it will probably be after our first loss or if injuries to the midfield happen (hoping it doesn't though). That's how we roll if we are on a winning streak (see late 2022).

Well if we make an unforced change with Parker in against a Carlton side that can come hard in spurts... hope we don't lose then so we don't point fingers...

 

[the hypnotoad]

A preview up already

You are now my fav poster

great work

so much more than a preview ... it's more an introduction to a course on the history of moral corruption at a football club
the biker should perform it as a one-man play, he'll win awards!

 

[MR0808]

so much more than a preview ... it's more an introduction to a course on the history of moral corruption at a football club
the biker should perform it as a one-man play, he'll win awards!

And got it in before Chief fixed the bug, so all of BF got to read the masterpiece

 

[the hypnotoad]

yeah so i keep reading these passionate pleas for Parker to play but we can't play 24 players, no one says who should go.

the agonising beauty of depth

 

[the hypnotoad]

Yes!! My point exactly. Oh Parker needs to come in, but who goes out?

two weeks ago i said lloyd ... but lloyd can't be dropped on his past two games, he's really clicked

 

[Wolfgang West]

Yeah because continuity never helped a player before.

Francis didn't star last night but he was serviceable and improved as the night went.


If you think he was appalling we watched different games.

For the record I would have kept Fox in before last night over Francis.

Parker on Curnrow ? guess he would fight

Stop talking s**t. Parker on Curnow ? Where did I intimate that ? You have written his *ing eulogy so that’s fine. Papley is heading the same way and * knows what Longmire will cop if we lose a game.

 

[Dan87]

Is Adams actually doing much?

I could rotate him

 

[The King!]

Stop talking s*t. Parker on Curnow ? Where did I intimate that ? You have written his ing eulogy so that’s fine. Papley is heading the same way and * knows what Longmire will cop if we lose a game.

Have a lie down and a valium, don't be a muppet you are better than that .

Pathetic post .

Parker isn't best 22 right now, that's just fact hence he is struggling in the twos as we speak, nothing to do with writing his eulogy.

 

[The King!]

Is Adams actually doing much?

I could rotate him

Ran 20km yesterday for a start

provided some great link work and score involvements.

 

[Dan87]

Ran 20km yesterday for a start

provided some great link work and score involvements.

It's almost unbelievable to me that he ran 6 km more than anyone else

 

[the hypnotoad]

I think there needs to be a job where people who struggle to park their car pay someone to park their car for them. I just need to think of a name for this job.

like in ferris bueller's day off

 

[Ed_Gein]

Will be a difficult test. Curnow and McKay are scary prospects to try and contain. Solid midfield as well, although looks like Cerra will miss?

 

[Swannie0307]

For Wicks?

Are you being sarcastic Kingy? No way should Wicks get dropped… he exemplifies why we are on top of the ladder.

 

[ashep]

Pressure.
He brings pressure and we need that.

Does he? Less forward pressure last night than Papley, Hayward, McLean, JMac and Amartey.

 

[Swannie0307]

two weeks ago i said lloyd ... but lloyd can't be dropped on his past two games, he's really clicked

Yep, it’s amazing what competition for positions can do. Only a few weeks ago, I was thinking Lloyd and Hayward could/should be dropped… but credit to both of them, they’ve both been excellent since