List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[malpaso]

Is there much interest in trialling Serong forward?
I know he's a real clearance specialist and it's the old Rob Peter To Pay Paul. But a ball winner in the forward line could be huge for us. Has great spacial awareness and reads the ball very well off hands. Genuine Small forward potential, not just mid resting forward (like a Fyfe/Young type who are good 1 on 1 but not really crumbling players to work around our big 3).

Never seen it personally but have heard he was highly rated as a forward in his draft year ... Perhaps we need to trial some things like this ASAP so we better know what to target next year.

Ie. Warner could become a very very strong option, if Serong is an elite forward and we can create room for him through the mids.

I cannot believe what I just read.. You want to take out our best midfielder in order to possibly touch the ball 15 times a game and maybe kick a goal or two?
We don't want a ball winner in the forward line, we need better decision making and execution.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

The forwards always seem to escape these ratings though, like recruiters pick em better than casuals. There will be one or two around where we want I’m sure. Agreed Winder shouldn’t factor into anything, I don’t care how they get them but nothing but forwards with our capital

No. Was shocked he got drafted.

Athleticism isn't everything but there's a certain level you need to be useful at AFL level. Buller doesn't have it.

Out of interest do either of you know of any state league forwards who could be on our radar for the MSD?

 

[Docker82]

Out of interest do either of you know of any state league forwards who could be on our radar for the MSD?

Probably just Scaife.

Tbh though it's probably on the list of positions I wouldn't want us to draft in the MSD anyway.

ATM we've got too many rucks and key forwards on our list. Sure a fair few will be delisted at years end but I think we're in a good spot with Amiss and Treacy and Voss as back up. Smaller forwards and an inside/outside mid (i.e. not a pure inside mid but not a winger either) would be the priority for me. Wouldn't be against adding a HBF either tbh.

 

[mightymouse75]

Goal kickers need apply.

Must like wearing purple and want to be a cocky little cult hero for the masses.
40+ goals a year and a couple of run down tackles a game and its yours.

 

[Andy Brennan]

You guys bagging JOM relentlessly really have no idea at all do you.

Just like jom when it comes to tackling

 

[Purple Jesus]

Just like jom when it comes to tackling

He averages 5 a game generally, not as many this year but different positions/roles. Next dig?

 

[Dockeroo]

Do we have a forward in the top 50 in the AFL? That’s talls, mediums and smalls combined.
It would be an interesting list to make. Maybe Treacy. Is he our best forward - probably. Still he’s only breaking out this year really.

 

[Jezzitizle]

He averages 5 a game generally, not as many this year but different positions/roles. Next dig?

Not a dig, but what do you rate about him?

Why does he deserve his spot each week?

 

[Dockeroo]

You’d want to be a real freo establishment dude toeing the party line to defend JOM at this point. He’s played about 30 games now and been underwhelming at best, in all of them. Fans aren’t stupid and they can see with their own eyes every single week what each player is contributing. I didn’t mid the trade at the time but he’s clearly cooked now and should be sent to peel.

He’s getting a free pass in the national media because no one cares about freo but make no mistake if he’d gone to Essendon or Carlton in that 22 trade period and played the same batch of underwhelming games since, he would be a lightning Rod for the Kane Cornes of this world and rightly so.

The only explanation is that he’s giving us some kind of on field mentoring or coaching?

I’ve been one of Banfields biggest critics in here over the last couple of years but even I can see he’s also been shafted in recent games to get JOM into the side. Banfield was actually playing decent footy as a linkman/winger a couple of games ago but he’s been put back to the graveyard shift (from his POV) of medium forward and to make matters worse - JOM is not playing as well as Banfield was in that position. Lose/lose.
We should be dropping JOM, bringing Banfield back out the field and putting Sturt into the medium forward role (which is his best and only realistic position at Freo).

 

[Swiggy]

You’d want to be a real freo establishment dude toeing the party line to defend JOM at this point. He’s played about 30 games now and been underwhelming at best, in all of them. Fans aren’t stupid and they can see with their own eyes every single week what each player is contributing. I didn’t mid the trade at the time but he’s clearly cooked now and should be sent to peel.

He’s getting a free pass in the national media because no one cares about freo but make no mistake if he’d gone to Essendon or Carlton in that 22 trade period and played the same batch of underwhelming games since, he would be a lightning Rod for the Kane Cornes of this world and rightly so.

The only explanation is that he’s giving us some kind of on field mentoring or coaching?

I’ve been one of Banfields biggest critics in here over the last couple of years but even I can see he’s also been shafted in recent games to get JOM into the side. Banfield was actually playing decent footy as a linkman/winger a couple of games ago but he’s been put back to the graveyard shift (from his POV) of medium forward and to make matters worse - JOM is not playing as well as Banfield was in that position. Lose/lose.
We should be dropping JOM, bringing Banfield back out the field and putting Sturt into the medium forward role (which is his best and only realistic position at Freo).

Sturt is hardly ever fit… he’s injured again, can’t trust his body.

 

[Dockeroo]

Sturt is hardly ever fit… he’s injured again, can’t trust his body.

Sadly you are probably right. But he was dropped unfairly after the eagles game in my opinion. Even when he’s fit he never gets a decent run at it from the MC.

Look ultimately it’s a personnel problem in the forward half and it won’t be solved until the off season at the earliest.
We NEED new players in attack urgently. I world say we need two new small forwards, and a new medium forward if Sturt is not it.
Then we might get the most out of the talent as a whole on the list.

Cox forward when he comes back could be a nice option to take pressure off Amiss. Worked well in R1.

 

[Swiggy]

Sadly you are probably right. But he was dropped unfairly after the eagles game in my opinion. Even when he’s fit he never gets a decent run at it from the MC.

Look ultimately it’s a personnel problem in the forward half and it won’t be solved until the off season at the earliest.
We NEED new players in attack urgently. I world say we need two new small forwards, and a new medium forward if Sturt is not it.
Then we might get the most out of the talent as a whole on the list.

Cox forward when he comes back could be a nice option to take pressure off Amiss. Worked well in R1.

dont think you can have Tracey amiss Jackson/darcy & cox all forward

need good run with Jackson down their. he will get the best defender or atleast stop amiss gett double triple teamed

 

[Cobbler]

I cannot believe what I just read.. You want to take out our best midfielder in order to possibly touch the ball 15 times a game and maybe kick a goal or two?
We don't want a ball winner in the forward line, we need better decision making and execution.

I understood his angle.
We have Brodie who could instantly fill Serong’s spot.
Surely, Serong would offer more than say Emmet.
There’s no point being a dominate clearance and midfield side if there’s nothing up forward.
BUT, Serong isn’t Petracca or Dusty that you could swing forward.
We tried with Fyfe, but he’s just a hideous shot on goal.
JOM has played forwards at times and given little.
We don’t have flexible mids. Brodie and Erasmus should be best 22.

Once again, it’s on our list management team. JOM the very clear error.

 

[Dockeroo]

dont think you can have Tracey amiss Jackson/darcy & cox all forward

need good run with Jackson down their. he will get the best defender or atleast stop amiss gett double triple teamed

Yeah it’s a separate list management question but Darcy on a 6 year deal when he can’t get in the park consistently is not looking flash either at this point.
Early days yet in the life of that deal I guess

 

[Swiggy]

Yeah it’s a separate list management question but Darcy on a 6 year deal when he can’t get in the park consistently is not looking flash either at this point.
Early days yet in the life of that deal I guess

100% a better team with darcy in. if wasnt 5 day turn around with a wet forcast think he plays friday night

 

[MadMac]

Yeah it’s a separate list management question but Darcy on a 6 year deal when he can’t get in the park consistently is not looking flash either at this point.
Early days yet in the life of that deal I guess

I’m starting to lean towards that as well. Not because Kane said Hodor and Jackson can’t play together but 6 years for a player that recently is more injured than fit is starting to look pretty bad. Add the benefit of the hindsight and you could say we would have lost very little or nothing at all if we kept Meek and traded Darcy.

Having said that, when you have a player of Darcy’s calibre who wants to stay with the club combined with the exodus of players in recent years, then you sign him, can’t blame club for that and at the time it was a right decision. I just hope that this works out because fit Hodor is a beast who can match it with any ruckman in the comp.

 

[Dockeroo]

I’m starting to lean towards that as well. Not because Kane said Hodor and Jackson can’t play together but 6 years for a player that recently is more injured than fit is starting to look pretty bad. Add the benefit of the hindsight and you could say we would have lost very little or nothing at all if we kept Meek and traded Darcy.

Having said that, when you have a player of Darcy’s calibre who wants to stay with the club combined with the exodus of players in recent years, then you sign him, can’t blame club for that and at the time it was a right decision. I just hope that this works out because fit Hodor is a beast who can match it with any ruckman in the comp.

Agree with all of that. Big Darcy is a B&F winner and one of our best but he’s got to find a way to stay fit and play repeatedly to build back to the levels he’s capable of.
He’s still a young guy only 25, but these constant niggles are a real worry.
However we have seen some big guys like Daniher, our own AP, even Curnow struggle with injury a lot in their mid 20s then go on to play lots of games so hopefully it improves.
We don’t have much choice really. He’s here now long term, like it or not so got to get him fit and firing somehow.

 

[MadMac]

Agree with all of that. Big Darcy is a B&F winner and one of our best but he’s got to find a way to stay fit and play repeatedly to build back to the levels he’s capable of.
He’s still a young guy only 25, but these constant niggles are a real worry.
However we have seen some big guys like Daniher, our own AP, even Curnow struggle with injury a lot in their mid 20s then go on to play lots of games so hopefully it improves.
We don’t have much choice really. He’s here now long term, like it or not so got to get him fit and firing somehow.

No argument. I’m no sports scientist or fitness guru but I have a feeling his weight may be contributing factor. I think a slightly leaner version of him may be better. But I’ll just have to trust conditioning staff know what they’re doing

 

[ubiquitous226]

You’d want to be a real freo establishment dude toeing the party line to defend JOM at this point. He’s played about 30 games now and been underwhelming at best, in all of them. Fans aren’t stupid and they can see with their own eyes every single week what each player is contributing. I didn’t mid the trade at the time but he’s clearly cooked now and should be sent to peel.

He’s getting a free pass in the national media because no one cares about freo but make no mistake if he’d gone to Essendon or Carlton in that 22 trade period and played the same batch of underwhelming games since, he would be a lightning Rod for the Kane Cornes of this world and rightly so.

The only explanation is that he’s giving us some kind of on field mentoring or coaching?

I’ve been one of Banfields biggest critics in here over the last couple of years but even I can see he’s also been shafted in recent games to get JOM into the side. Banfield was actually playing decent footy as a linkman/winger a couple of games ago but he’s been put back to the graveyard shift (from his POV) of medium forward and to make matters worse - JOM is not playing as well as Banfield was in that position. Lose/lose.
We should be dropping JOM, bringing Banfield back out the field and putting Sturt into the medium forward role (which is his best and only realistic position at Freo).

I don't think fans are stupid, but I do think most of us (me included) only see a small part of what a player is doing.
The coaches see the players all week, have all the data and know the game plan, their job is to get the team working and not any specific individual.

It doesn't matter if you like a player more or think they're "better", the only relevant question is do they make the team better.

I'm on the record of saying I don't understand JOM's role or what he's contributing, but I also don't get sucked into conspiracy theories or just assume everyone is incompetent.

 

[Alfonz]

No argument. I’m no sports scientist or fitness guru but I have a feeling his weight may be contributing factor. I think a slightly leaner version of him may be better. But I’ll just have to trust conditioning staff know what they’re doing

I think the same on his weight. Similar with Zion Williamson in the NBA. Unbelievable talent, but so heavy and always getting injured. Joel Embiid another one.

 

[Raz]

When watchign the games , Omeara seems to be playing less of a ball winner role and more of a position man. He knows where the ball is going next and fills gaps, he often is around where the ball is kicked too whenever the oppositon are moving it. So maybe that is his role. Use his football awareness to make it harder for opposition to get easy movement foreward.

Jsut maybe he in the team as he is doing exactly what the coach asks him to do. Will never win a brownlow from umpires votes. never win a FANS favc player award but gets the team thing done

Jsut maybe. who know ?

 

[ubiquitous226]

When watchign the games , Omeara seems to be playing less of a ball winner role and more of a position man. He knows where the ball is going next and fills gaps, he often is around where the ball is kicked too whenever the oppositon are moving it. So maybe that is his role. Use his football awareness to make it harder for opposition to get easy movement foreward.

Jsut maybe he in the team as he is doing exactly what the coach asks him to do. Will never win a brownlow from umpires votes. never win a FANS favc player award but gets the team thing done

Jsut maybe. who know ?

That's what I thought from watching him a little in previous games, which also explains why someone like Erasmus wouldn't be able to fill the role despite all the howls of complaint. I won't even start on the Brodie ones.

Of more interest would be how could we restructure, or who else could do the role? Switta? Banfield?

From a list perspective I'm assuming the basis was list profile and trying to add more skilled players, but it hasn't obviously paid off yet.

 

[Lach72]

Is Baker a Colon client because Ralph is pushing him to the Eagles in a big way

 

[FreoGirl]

Is Baker a Colon client because Ralph is pushing him to the Eagles in a big way

Jason Dover?

 

[Tundrawolf]

Is Baker a Colon client because Ralph is pushing him to the Eagles in a big way

I've been hearing that WC is still his favoured option and they want him but will not sacrifice whatever early draft picks they have to try and secure him, they have a strong desire to improve their list through the draft first.

Our picks are the key, as apparently Baker isn't comfortable in WC doing the right thing by him, but yes in his ideal world he's coming back to play for the Eagles.

I think he's definitely not at Richmond next year, that's his least preferred option because he wants to finish his career at home.