List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Oliver to walk out on the Dees to take a year off football...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Next October/November will be fun I think.
Welsh.
Hayward free agent?
Oliver/Phillipou?
Petty?

What is your priority list?

Excluding Welsh as he is a given.

 

[Crow till I die]

What is your priority list?

Excluding Welsh as he is a given.

I'll give mine (assuming Welsh is a given)

Oliver and Phillipou...then daylight.

Not fussed about the others at all

 

[1990crow]

What is your priority list?

Excluding Welsh as he is a given.

1. Oliver
2. Petty pending performance of Butts/Keane - ie could slip to 4
3. Hayward
4. Phillipou (goes to 2 if Oliver not possible)

 

[Danger in Texas]

I doubt Phillipou comes unless a huge bag of money is placed in front of him, which, if he doesn't show a whole lot of midfield prowess, would be as big a risk as we've ever taken

Oliver is just a complete unknown, besides the fact we've shown heavy past interest. Unknown where his head will be at, unknown where his relationships with the club/his teammates will be at, and so on. Not counting on it

Would be very pleased if either happens, but realistically I'm more looking at your Petty/Hayward/Cumming types

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What is your priority list?

Excluding Welsh as he is a given.

1. Phillipou
2. Oliver *
3. Petty
4. Hayward

* lots to monitor with Oliver , who knows where he’s at by end of year

 

[Jeffcrowe]

What would he cost? A 1st rounder?

What happens if Oliver is in the mix? Surely his value has to have diminished, especially given his contract size and issues.

Both perhaps, using our 2024 1st and F1.

Phillipou would be worth more than a single 1st rounder if he improves in his second season

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

1. Oliver
2. Petty pending performance of Butts/Keane - ie could slip to 4
3. Hayward
4. Phillipou (goes to 2 if Oliver not possible)

I would go

1. Oliver
2. Phillipou
3. Petty
4. Hayward

Can never have enough midfielders.

 

[cleanhands]

Phillipou
Oliver
Hayward
Petty

 

[1990crow]

I would go

1. Oliver
2. Phillipou
3. Petty
4. Hayward

Can never have enough midfielders.

I don't think we need 2. Once you add an Oliver to the group I'd want to upgrade other spots like KPD or half forward.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't think we need 2. Once you add an Oliver to the group I'd want to upgrade other spots like KPD or half forward.

If you had Ricciuto & McLeod, would you not bother about Goodwin...

 

[1990crow]

If you had Ricciuto & McLeod, would you not bother about Goodwin...

What are Dawson, Rachele and Pedlar?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What are Dawson, Rachele and Pedlar?

You can never have enough midfielders!

These 3 are all capable of playing as misfielder/forwards.

We need more than 3 midfielders... we need 3 gun midfielders.

 

[cleanhands]

I would go

1. Oliver
2. Phillipou
3. Petty
4. Hayward

Can never have enough midfielders.

With Murray‘s return i don’t see Petty a necessity

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

With Murray‘s return i don’t see Petty a necessity

Yeah, it's an interesting one.

I assume we are seeing him as a forward... but does that mean we see Thilthorpe as a ruck/forward?

 

[cleanhands]

Yeah, it's an interesting one.

I assume we are seeing him as a forward... but does that mean we see Thilthorpe as a ruck/forward?

Would like to see him as our CHF that covers alot of ground, I’d be happy if we kept him away from ruck

 

[The Perfect Stranger]

Is Phillipou on the list based on pre-draft standing or on actual AFL output? I'm not seeing it. The ability doesn't match the size of the ego IMO.

 

[cleanhands]

Is Phillipou on the list based on pre-draft standing or on actual AFL output? I'm not seeing it. The ability doesn't match the size of the ego IMO.

By all reports his preseason is smashing it,

 

[Danger in Texas]

By all reports his preseason is smashing it,

If he even just shows glimpses of midfield stardom this year at AFL level, I’d throw everything at him

But I still think he stays

 

[1990crow]

You can never have enough midfielders!

These 3 are all capable of playing as misfielder/forwards.

We need more than 3 midfielders... we need 3 gun midfielders.

I think we would have 4 gun midfielders in Dawson, Oliver, Rachele and Pedlar.
Phillipou hasn't yet showed anything as a midfielder.
After the above 4 we would also have Soligo, Crouch, and new talents coming through like Curtin, Dowling and Edwards to give games to.

E.g. 2025 side presuming Oliver + Hayward

Michalanney Murray Worrell
Milera Butts/Keane Hinge
Soligo Dawson Jones
Obrien Laird Oliver
Rachele Walker Hayward
Rankine Fogarty Thilthorpe
Curtin Keays Nankervis Pedlar
Dowling

Then in 2026 Laird moves out, Pedlar/Rachele in and other players start filtering through like Ryan, Edwards.

 

[cleanhands]

If he even just shows glimpses of midfield stardom this year at AFL level, I’d throw everything at him

But I still think he stays

I think we’ll be hard pressed to get him aswell

 

[cleanhands]

Based on his decent 1st year for a kid that was the youngest player in the 2022 draft, born 4 days later and he'd have been in this year's draft. Rising Star nomination in round 8. Will be an absolute topliner...bookmark it.

That won’t please STO

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Phillipou would be the one of most interest unless he re-signs and possibly Hayward who is a RFA so will still cost something decent. The other 2 are contracted past 2024 and personally I'd be risk averse with Oliver given we'd have to take on his contract until 2030, i.e. until he's 33.

It's a good point Hayward is a free agent as he is a free hit as doesn't cost us trade value. Not out biggest need, but would be best trade value for money.

With both Petty & Oliver both being under contract, it may be a case of needing the Dees /Oliver to self-destruct or they will cost too much in trade value. If we are not recruiting Petty as a forward then I don't see the need.

Phillipou being out of contract just comes down to offering him a very lucrative long term contract... & hopefully Saints sliding.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Would like to see him as our CHF that covers alot of ground, I’d be happy if we kept him away from ruck

I'm still on the fence.

 

[cleanhands]

It's a good point Hayward is a free agent as he is a free hit as doesn't cost us trade value. Not out biggest need, but would be best trade value for money.

With both Petty & Oliver both being under contract, it may be a case of needing the Dees /Oliver to self-destruct or they will cost too much in trade value. If we are not recruiting Petty as a forward then I don't see the need.

Phillipou being out of contract just comes down to offering him a very lucrative long term contract... & hopefully Saints sliding.

I think they’ll burn the Saints amenities down if they let him go