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It's not secret.1) it could be kept a secret, either through only those who need to know not talking about it or through it being administration based and at a policy level that doesn't require people to know what they're doing and
2) it never getting to someone too idealistic to not try and spread it about that X school is deliberately undermining their students to achieve a better ATAR average.
Then that's very, very silly of them.It's not secret.
... then there's a bit of money to be made for a young enterprising journalist to do a bit of investigative work at particular schools, seeing what they can get to demonstrate it.Lots of people talk about it. It gets denied. Or it is presented as a good thing to do for a student - "encourage" them down a more "realistic path" instead of going for an ATAR.
No doubt. But depends on the University too. Mt daughter went to Monash, and then did a Masters at RMIT University. She was assigned to work with a group of Asian students who had poor English and worse writing ability. My daughter's role was to correct the grammar and writing of her cohorts or else the group failed. I mentioned this to an academic friend, who told me this is happening at all universities that have full fee paying overseas students. course!It looks like that can end up a double-edged sword as private school kids without the aptitude or drive end up with scores that get them into Uni ahead of others. The lecturers don't hand-hold them and they underperform.
I'm still not sold on the business case proposition for doing this. Say you "manage" a kid out at Year 10, that's $10-$15k of funding walking out the door for 2 more years. Say the VCE cohort is 100 kids (which would still be relatively small) you're talking about 1% contribution to your overall average ATAR. Are you really going to gain an extra enrolment if your average ATAR drops from 75 to 73? Even if the student was an exceptionally poor performer, it's not making that big an impact.It's not secret.
Lots of people talk about it. It gets denied. Or it is presented as a good thing to do for a student - "encourage" them down a more "realistic path" instead of going for an ATAR.
bingo. it called "pathways counselling" and there are some geniuses at it believe me.My friend said that was his regular job at his private school.
It was sold as convincing the student to "be realistic" about their chances of getting a good ATAR vs going into a trade.
And this is where I think the media holds a significant part of the blame for that distrust. I absolutely acknowledge that there are schools that have failed in their duty of care of students in a just horrendous and inexcusable ways. The media just loves to lap this up and report on it, because our news cycle is flooded with negative news as that creates the "clicks". However, for every one one of those reports of failures, there are multiple schools doing pretty amazing things for their students and supporting them through various individual difficult journeys. You'll never hear of these. So, your distrust is understandable, but I find it sad that we'll never be able to break that, especially in the current news climate.I can see how it might help some kids. No doubt about it.
I just find it hard to trust big private schools given their track record in many aspects of care for their students.
Imagine if every kid got that care, not just those who won the "ovarian lottery"?And this is where I think the media holds a significant part of the blame for that distrust. I absolutely acknowledge that there are schools that have failed in their duty of care of students in a just horrendous and inexcusable ways. The media just loves to lap this up and report on it, because our news cycle is flooded with negative news as that creates the "clicks". However, for every one one of those reports of failures, there are multiple schools doing pretty amazing things for their students and supporting them through various individual difficult journeys. You'll never hear of these. So, your distrust is understandable, but I find it sad that we'll never be able to break that, especially in the current news climate.
People going above and beyond is also often not news. That's the point I'm trying to make. Good news is not great news apparently.I love any analysis of news organisations that completely ignores that they give people what they want.
Business as usual or people doing their job isn't news, and it never has been.
Well done to all those schools working hard and effectively to help students.
never a good idea to post before reading the article. a particular set of recent circumstances were the centrepiece.This isn't new news... These over-funding situations have been known for many years and all schools are on a pathway to 80% SRS funding. Stay tuned for this same revelation to appear in 12 months time.
What "recent" circumstances would they be?never a good idea to post before reading the article. a particular set of recent circumstances were the centrepiece.
it's in the article.What "recent" circumstances would they be?
I'm still not sold on the business case proposition for doing this. Say you "manage" a kid out at Year 10, that's $10-$15k of funding walking out the door for 2 more years. Say the VCE cohort is 100 kids (which would still be relatively small) you're talking about 1% contribution to your overall average ATAR. Are you really going to gain an extra enrolment if your average ATAR drops from 75 to 73? Even if the student was an exceptionally poor performer, it's not making that big an impact.
Business Managers would be pulling their hair out and making plenty of noise if this was a common thing.
Definitely a common thing? Can you provide your proof of this?It’s definitely a common thing, probably even more so these days with VCAL being more popular.
But, it’s not not only about those students scores but improving the overall quality of classes by removing those underperforming and allowing teachers to focus on better students.
Most schools run a VCAL program now of some description, so advising that a student remains at the school and goes down that path is hardly an example of what is being purported in this thread.It’s definitely a common thing, probably even more so these days with VCAL being more popular.
But, it’s not not only about those students scores but improving the overall quality of classes by removing those underperforming and allowing teachers to focus on better students.
it's in the article.
operationally, relatively straightforward. politically it’s huge cos progressive pollies (the reactionaries will never do it cos the wealthy are their peeps) are as weak as piss.
Absolutely agree with this.I don't think anyone should have an issue with VCAL or equivalent programs
one of the dumbest things they did in Vic was get rid of trade schools
not everyone wants to go to uni, not everyone needs to go to uni and frankly society needs people in jobs that aren't uni related as well