Society/Culture Will the people rise?

[Seeds]

What must be staggering to many is how much US citizens have complied lockdowns. I thought taking away their semi automatics would lead to civil war? Yet the government has just taken away the right to leave your home without just cause and nothing. they have complied. Taking away guns will be easier then we all thought.

 

[Zeke The Great]

What must be staggering to many is how much US citizens have complied lockdowns. I thought taking away their semi automatics would lead to civil war? Yet the government has just taken away the right to leave your home without just cause and nothing. they have complied. Taking away guns will be easier then we all thought.

All it takes is a spark though to get the ball moving. Once this ‘war’ takes on a specific face or battlefront to rally against or around, I’m confident people will be more willing to get up and act.

If police and US gov continue down path they are, it’s inevitable we will see a flashpoint.

Ammon Bundy Pledges ‘Physical Defense’ For Those Who Defy Idaho’s COVID-19 Order

Anti-government extremist Ammon Bundy led a meeting last week where he agitated for Idahoans to physically defy the state's stay-at-home order, which is meant to slow the spread of the COVID-19…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Ammon Bundy: ‘I Want the Virus Now’

The “patriot movement” leader is pursuing his anti-government worldview into organized defiance of Idaho’s social-isolation orders.

www.google.com.au

A ‘Liberty’ Rebellion in Idaho Threatens to Undermine Coronavirus Orders (Published 2020)

Even some public officials have challenged social-distancing requirements, calling them assaults on the Constitution. One group wants to gather up to 1,000 people for Easter.

www.google.com.au

 

[HairyO]

We wouldn't of heard a peep from you.

Yeah Im never critical of Liberals...

 

[Crankitup]

They have Australian number 1 goal keeper, Matt Ryan in a locked up...

Unaustralian

Can't find anything about that anywhere.

 

[EDFL follower]

If it’s explained and sold to the public properly, that we need to make hard decisions to get through an unprecedented crisis, then I think yes, the Australian public would ‘forgive’.

For what it’s worth, I am not suggesting some sort of death panel type scenario. Merely a change in approach to how we are dealing with this emergency.

We can proceed the way we are going and burn our economy to the ground, and live in a society best described as one where we ‘exist’ in a state of perpetual house arrest, with draconian and disproportionate punishments for those who transgress, or we can bite the bullet, and try and take some short term pain in order to bring this thing to a head.

I choose option B.

I think only a small percentage of aussies would agree with you at the moment but as every day passes that number will keep increasing and at some point, maybe weeks or months, your opinion will be the majority opinion. Be interesting to c how the government responds as more and more people make the same noise that you are making.

 

[Zeke The Great]

Police threaten to search shopping trolleys to check you're only buying essentials — Metro

Chief Constable Nick Adderley said his force is only 'days away' from extreme measures as people continue to flout lockdown rules.

apple.news

Report out of the UK, but no doubt are local plod will follow suit.

The job by its nature, attracts and appeals to sociopaths, bullies, and low intelligence power trippers at the best of times. And like vampires, once these bullies get a thirst for blood, they just want more. I’m afraid a hell of a lot of coppers on the beat, are going to be found to be simply incapable of behaving appropriately with these emergency powers. But when the push for these sort of policing measures, is being driven by senior officers at a managerial level (as it is in this case) it’s only going to serve as a green light for all manner of abuse and misconduct at a street level.

If the police continue to go down this path, and do not get the balance right, they really risk losing the public at a time when a healthy relationship between the two parties, is of the utmost importance.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Can't find anything about that anywhere.

A prison with plush bathrobes: Brighton's Maty Ryan in Sydney hotel quarantine lockdown

Albion goalkeeper Maty Ryan has taken inspiration from Thor actor Chris Hemsworth while in quarantine at a Sydney hotel as Brighton players have been placed on leave until May 1.

www.brightonandhoveindependent.co.uk

 

[Zeke The Great]

Dear Leader Dan is absolutely loving it

Stage four lockdown and further closures remain likely, Andrews warns — The Age

Premier says he will "not hesitate" to extend the lockdown if the virus gets worse.

apple.news

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Dear Leader Dan is absolutely loving it

Stage four lockdown and further closures remain likely, Andrews warns — The Age

Premier says he will "not hesitate" to extend the lockdown if the virus gets worse.

apple.news

I think you might have joined 9 days too late

 

[Jack Richards]

People are already ignoring social distancing and going to their holiday homes for the long weekend when ScoMo had said to stay home.

Rosebud with am av age demographic of 65 has been inundated with holiday makers. How is that keeping social isolation when these holiday makers mingle in society there?

 

[Albert Parker]

I nearly fell of my chair when I turned on the news this morning and saw 2,000 Americans had died of this thing yesterday (900+ in the UK).

I am not suggesting this isn’t a gravely serious global issue, but part of me feels like why doesn’t everyone just get exposed to it, and work toward some kind of herd immunity scenario. Like those chicken pox parties mums used to send there kids too back in the day. Certainly many will die from this approach, but who is to say these vulnerable people wouldn’t of died anyway? I know that’s incredibly harsh and selfish, but we simply can’t allow civilisation to grind to a halt over a virus with such a low mortality rate.

Because the medical facilities get overwhelmed. About 20% of those contracting the virus need hospitalisation and about 5% require ICU support.
Australia doesn't have the bed capacity, testing capability, PPE, ICU capacity etc to cope with such a deluge brought on by an 'open slather' approach.
Why should health workers be unduly exposed to that outcome if we can avoid it - note the recent death of a 55yo nurse in Victoria?

In any case, countries like Sweden and the Netherlands, who have adopted the herd immunity approach in order to avoid the negative economic repercussions of closing things up, have ended up with higher death rates than in Australia and economies which are suffering in any case because of the economic downturn elsewhere around the world.

 

[Turnover]

Rosebud is full of boomer sooks, they are never happy, move to Gippsland if u want the quiet lifestyle. Rosebud is just another suburb of Melbourne. Deal with it.

 

[Albert Parker]

Average age of Italians dying is 80. Ours is similar. Havent seen stats for the US.

It may not just be killing old people, but its killing a fu**load of old people.

And a handful of younger people who had pre-existing medical conditions.

And one or 2 younger people where its unknown why they died, at the moment, but Im sure Coroners will find out.

Yes, it's predominantly killing older people and those with health vulnerabilities - respiratory problems and immune system weaknesses.
But it is also killing health workers. It is also leaving those who have contracted, but not passed away, with some nasty side effects. Not everything should be measured in deaths.

There is a lot of bleating going on here about people having their lifestyle moderated for just a couple of weeks so far.
Many are still working, you're still allowed to step outside and exercise, you've got food in your pantry and fridge, the internet still works so you can shop online or watch as much Netflix as you please........have some perspective

Good news is, with our lower rates of contraction, it means that we may not have to shut down further than we already are. Things like construction projects can continue, restaurants can continue to provide take away. The economic damage will be less accordingly, mental health impacts will be less destructive (as more people remain employed) and the death toll is also better than expected. It also means it will likely be sooner than otherwise that we start releasing restrictions, albeit with winter soon to hit, we may have to sit things out for a while. Singapore recently began to release restrictions, but saw a new wave of infections and closed schools for the first time - so it was a bit of a false start.

If those complaining have any friends in Italy or New York, may I suggest you reach out and find out about what the alternative can look like.

 

[Pessimistic]

I'm expecting criticism of our government to be considered risky activity before the end of the month, punishable by $1600 fine up to 6 months imprisonment.

I'm half joking.

they've already got police drones out, skynet style. Yet are making it harder and harder for ordinary folk to fly drones

 

[Pessimistic]

People are already ignoring social distancing and going to their holiday homes for the long weekend when ScoMo had said to stay home.

Rosebud with am av age demographic of 65 has been inundated with holiday makers. How is that keeping social isolation when these holiday makers mingle in society there?

‘according to abc website (I think) Victoria has said going to an home you own is ok so long as you social distance. Yet there’s confusion such as the learner driver practicing. Other states have the opposite ruling.

I don’t get it though. Every holiday home has an owner (negative gearing means it usually is) whts the difference between an owner going there and a rentee?

 

[Pessimistic]

Police threaten to search shopping trolleys to check you're only buying essentials — Metro

Chief Constable Nick Adderley said his force is only 'days away' from extreme measures as people continue to flout lockdown rules.

apple.news

Report out of the UK, but no doubt are local plod will follow suit.

The job by its nature, attracts and appeals to sociopaths, bullies, and low intelligence power trippers at the best of times. And like vampires, once these bullies get a thirst for blood, they just want more. I’m afraid a hell of a lot of coppers on the beat, are going to be found to be simply incapable of behaving appropriately with these emergency powers. But when the push for these sort of policing measures, is being driven by senior officers at a managerial level (as it is in this case) it’s only going to serve as a green light for all manner of abuse and misconduct at a street level.

If the police continue to go down this path, and do not get the balance right, they really risk losing the public at a time when a healthy relationship between the two parties, is of the utmost importance.

supermarkets could simply not sell what this idiot thinks is not essential. But if you’re there anyway, what extra risk is there in buying .actually I’m lost to see what isn’t essential. Things which don’t have gst? Lemon flavoured condoms (therubber tasting ones are ok madam)

 

[Pessimistic]

Dear Leader Dan is absolutely loving it

Stage four lockdown and further closures remain likely, Andrews warns — The Age

Premier says he will "not hesitate" to extend the lockdown if the virus gets worse.

apple.news

he knows it probably won’t. What he really means is you campaigners not obeying current regulations, I can make tougher regulations you’ll probably ignore too

 

[Pessimistic]

Look, the shit that's going on right now - nobody in Australia has been through this before at this societal level. NOBODY. People are on lockdown. People have no jobs to go to. People have extremely limited social contact. Going a bit stir-crazy, it's understandable. Getting restive, it's understandable.

Nobody knows what the f*ck to do, or how this is going to progress in the world at large. We all of us are groping in the dark to a large extent.

Nobody should be tearing anyone a new hole just for voicing opinions from that dark.

margaret on SEN discussed polio and diphtheria in the nineteen thirties.
We’ve never had a lockdown before where we could go online and have a big whinge

 

[Pessimistic]

I think my favourite was telling people in relationships that they can only have sex with eachother if they live together. If they live separately bad luck. No sex for you.

And it was the great progressive state of Victoria which gave us that gem. Not Scomo and the Hillsongites.

ove jealous finers from psi’s to parking inspectors. Is a very Victorian thing. It didn’t magically appear in this ‘calculated squashing of our liberties’ some seem to think is happening. I’m all for addressing that at a later date, but as someone once said, dumb clucks queue up to be breathylised.

actually booze buses are suspended. Doesn’t really fit the narrative does it?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Can't find anything about that anywhere.

In the tv interview he goes something like "the light at the end of the tunnel is I can see my familyin a few days"

I was thinking not allowed to mate this is australia

 

[bobschoicewords]

Just came across this...

Ezekiel Emanuel: U.S. Must Stay Locked Down For 12-18 Months Until There's A Vaccine

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel explains when he believes life will get back to normal after the coronavirus, predicting that "the crisis is not going to go away in a few weeks or after the 30-day plan comes to an end." "Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be...

www.realclearpolitics.com

If we work under the assumption that as with most things, we Australians will simply follow the US lead, according to this bloke, we could be looking at a 12 to 18 mth period of lockdown.

Surely, surely, the idea of a Stage 3 quasi Police State lockdown (such as we are now experiencing) lasting that long, is something which is completely and utterly outside the realms of acceptable reality for most Australian’s.

I personally think we are going to start seeing some awful stuff coming out just within the next month or so...surge in suicides, major spike in domestics gone fatal, neighbourhood squabbles gone fatal, people in apartment complexes reporting ‘strange smells’ from neighbouring apartments etc etc. I don’t even want to think what the effect of six months of this is going to be. And this guy is on about 12 to 18 months of it?

Surely at some point, the police have to back off, or at what can we expect some kind of civil uprising amongst a population who simply don’t want to live under a police state and just want their lives back?

When would the people rise?

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I reckon after 2 - 3 months that is it we are on the streets.....

 

[bobschoicewords]

The sheer ease and speed with which society bent over and spread its collective cheeks to these new “necessary police powers” is truly disheartening.

I once would of thought it was pure Alex Jones style paranoia to imagine a scenario where we start seeing police going door to door loading ‘defiant’ people into trucks and taken to quarantine ‘camps’ in the middle of the night etc....now not so much.

It is terrible how we have given up our freedom for NAZI Police state....50 dead is truly bad but more die from car accidents

 

[Baltimore Jack]

It is terrible how we have given up our freedom for NAZI Police state....50 dead is truly bad but more die from car accidents

We could make a list of what kills people

 

[Marcel Proust]

We could make a list of what kills people

1. Seppo army

 

[Fire]

I get that conspiracies are fun; but you do realise that theres no point in being a despot of a nation that has no economy or production behind it right? Where you dictacte instructions to people who cant enact them out because they leave their house.

None of the powers that be are reaping anything from these lockdowns, and are in fact going against them, instead urging you to die for the dow.

Sometimes its just a shitty situation.