Prediction Who will be better in 2025? Carlton or Hawthorn?

[RCAB]

And I could not disagree more that no contested marks for a player like Gulden disqualifies him from being a top-10 player in the AFL. Bizarre

What’s bizarre is pretending that a top-10 player can go an entire season without taking a contested mark and still be ranked among the elite. That’s like calling someone a Michelin chef because they can microwave a lasagna really well. Gulden’s a jet but he’s not a complete weapon.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I agree Gulden is better than D’Ambrosio which was one of many things that are being brought up. Being miles ahead of any Hawthorn player is a joke tho, there just isn’t that gap in the competition between a lot of good sides and players.

I’ll ask again.

Losing Gulden who's the Swans best outside runner and best score involvement/score creator is a bigger loss than Lewis who almost never plays anyway and Dear who's in his infancy as a young KPF and still finding his way. The Swans haven't been able to move the ball or defend in transition anywhere near as well this year and that's no coincidence. Gulden is an enormous loss for them.

 

[carlton_99]

What’s bizarre is pretending that a top-10 player can go an entire season without taking a contested mark and still be ranked among the elite. That’s like calling someone a Michelin chef because they can microwave a lasagna really well. Gulden’s a jet but he’s not a complete weapon.

So Nick Daicos isn't a top-10 player in the AFL?

 

[RCAB]

So Nick Daicos isn't a top-10 player in the AFL?

He's currently the best player in the AFL, leading the coaches votes. How did you know that he also hadn't taken a contested mark too, just a hunch?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Losing Gulden who's the Swans best outside runner and best score involvement/score creator is a bigger loss than Lewis who almost never plays anyway and Dear who's in his infancy as a young KPF and still finding his way. The Swans haven't been able to move the ball or defend in transition anywhere near as well this year and that's no coincidence. Gulden is an enormous loss for them.

Used them as examples obviously. But you missed the point so I’ll explain.

Lewis and Dears structural importance as a focal point forward both as an option down the line, forward threat and ability to play as a genuine key position tall which isn’t what is happening currently, is a big part of the team gameplan and structure. This is also the same for most if not all teams.

Gulden is a star, his ability to link up and use his skills is a massive part of Sydney’s ball movement, but it’s well known that Warner, Heeney and others still do this just as good, not in the exact same way but their connective and link up play is still very good.

My point is I think from a structure point, losing Worpel who was one of the better players in the first half of R0, and not having both of the teams best key forwards. Is comparable but not an exact comparison to Sydney not having Gulden or Mills.

Not that it matters because this isn’t the thread for it, Hawthorn won on the day when and how they needed to, despite not playing well. This has gone for most games so far this year. Well and truly could be 7-2 and by then you’d hope the group has settled, and some more returns from players.

 

[carlton_99]

He's currently the best player in the AFL, leading the coaches votes. How did you know that he also hadn't taken a contested mark too, just a hunch?

So you just said a player can't be top 10 if they haven't taken a contested mark in a season. But Daicos who also didn't is the best player in the AFL. Again bizarre

 

[SSSSSS]

Meek vs Stanley was the only reason for any sort of ascendency in the middle. Around the ground Smith and Holmes were far more influential than the Hawks mids.

This is how the coaches saw it.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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This is how the coaches saw it.

Meek with the 1, Smith with the 6 the two that stick out to me. I would have thought Holmes would get some given he was immense in the first half but each to their own.

Interesting that only one coach thought Newcombe was deserving of votes.

 

[SSSSSS]

Meek with the 1, Smith with the 6 the two that stick out to me. I would have thought Holmes would get some given he was immense in the first half but each to their own.

Interesting that only one coach thought Newcombe was deserving of votes.

All guess work on my end but this is how I see it;

5 each from both coaches to Mannagh is the only certainty.
Probably 4 to Smith from Scott, 4 to Newk from Mitchell.
Mitchell would have given 3 to Amon, 2 to Smith and 1 to Meek.
Scott would have given 3 to Danger, 2 to Gunston and 1 to Blicavs.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

All guess work on my end but this is how I see it;

5 each from both coaches to Mannagh is the only certainty.
Probably 4 to Smith from Scott, 4 to Newk from Mitchell.
Mitchell would have given 3 to Amon, 2 to Smith and 1 to Meek.
Scott would have given 3 to Danger, 2 to Gunston and 1 to Blicavs.

Very likely.

 

[NetworkNerd]

Only 3 games difference now. Given Carltons easy draw they can easily overtake Hawthorn

Carlton have St Kilda at MCG, Hawks have them at Marvel. Advantage Carlton
Carlton have Gold Coast at Marvel. Hawks have them at Darwin. Advantage Carlton
Carlton have Brisbane at Marvel, Hawks have them at the Gabba. Advantage Carlton

Only 2 games difference now. Definitely advantage Carlton, even if Hawthorn win both H2H encounters

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Mills won a BNF when the Swans were playing in a grand final and made the AA team that year.

Gulden = D'Ambrosio... Give yourself an uppercut.

By that logic Josh Gibson was an absolute superstar seeing as he won a Bnf in a premiership year. Mills is 28 going on 29. Hasn't exactly set the world on fire he's entire career has he? 2 good years the other being the rising star year but yeah keep telling us he's miles better than Worpel .