Who should have won Brownlows but umpires didn't like?

[nintiwirri]

I just made a reply on a thread about Tredrea not getting a fair deal from the umpires about Carey and it got me thinking.
Wayne Carey has undoubtedly been the best footballer in the last 25 years with Gary Ablett runner up.
Carey never got close to a Brownlow when he won so many media awards and players associaton awards etc etc etc.
All this because he abused and back chated the umpires so much that they wouldn't give him a vote even if he had kicked 10 goals and taken 15 contested marks(Riewoldt take note)
This just goes to show why umpires shouldn't be in a position any more to give the votes.What if one umpire gives a best on ground but the other 2 dislike the bloke and give him nothing?Unfair to say the least.
I know the players themselves rate the players association medal more highly than the Brownlow because it comes from their peers.
Unfortunately the general public that idolise those players only remember who won the Brownlow.I wouldn't know who won the MVP last year or any other year for that fact?
Another player who perhaps should have won a Brownlow or 2 was Carlton's Craig Bradley which was surprising until one day I saw an interview on TV with a former umpire.????Cameron I think?He was asked who was the worst behaved player he ever had to deal with and his reply was "Craig Bradley" who was so abusive to umps.That explains a lot.
Of course Greg Williams won a couple but certainly should have won a couple more if he shut up.

 

[Solstice Raver]

To answer the question who has been stiffed; I'd have to nominate Buddah Hocking and Scott West. Two champs who were always up in the count to always get pipped.

On this umpire bashing when voting for the Brownlow, get over it. It is a prestigious award as it has been for decades voted by the umpires. Nothing needs to change here. Why?

There are awards now in footy awarded by every stakeholder which represents every aspect and opinion as follows:

AFLPA
Coaches
Media (numerous)
Fans (AFL.com.au)
Umpires

Why would you want to change the voting process for the Brownlow to fall into line with another award that already exists? I believe what you will find in coming years is that the other awards in the industry will gain steam and be as presigious as the Brownlow before too long.

Given that, there is no need to change any of the voting criteria for the Brownlow Medal.

 

[nintiwirri]

To answer the question who has been stiffed; I'd have to nominate Buddah Hocking and Scott West. Two champs who were always up in the count to always get pipped.

On this umpire bashing when voting for the Brownlow, get over it. It is a prestigious award as it has been for decades voted by the umpires. Nothing needs to change here. Why?

There are awards now in footy awarded by every stakeholder which represents every aspect and opinion as follows:

AFLPA
Coaches
Media (numerous)
Fans (AFL.com.au)
Umpires

Why would you want to change the voting process for the Brownlow to fall into line with another award that already exists? I believe what you will find in coming years is that the other awards in the industry will gain steam and be as presigious as the Brownlow before too long.

Given that, there is no need to change any of the voting criteria for the Brownlow Medal.

Obviously you are an umpire or you love the way they favor Geelong?

 

[Lidge]

Corey McKernan & Chris Grant.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Wayne Carey finished 3rd in 1993. 2 Votes of Wanganeen and 3 votes of a win.

 

[Hood007]

Wayne Carey has undoubtedly been the best footballer in the last 25 years with Gary Ablett runner up.

Undoubtedly?
Not too sure about that...
Leigh Matthews never won one. Neither did Teddy Whitten. One would think those 2 along with Carey and Ablett would be the best not to have won one...

 

[nintiwirri]

Undoubtedly?
Not too sure about that...
Leigh Matthews never won one. Neither did Teddy Whitten. One would think those 2 along with Carey and Ablett would be the best not to have won one...

Teddy Whitten had long retired 25 years ago and Matthews was in his last couple of seasons but I get your point.Matthews is acknowledged by many old timers as the all time champ.

 

[jodo27]

Leigh Matthews and Kevin Bartlett.

 

[jodo27]

Greg Anderson should've won it one year too.

 

[CatFan79]

Kevin Bartlett.

Don't know if umpires didn't like him but the closest this guy came to contested footy was shaking an opponents hand at the end of the game.

 

[Partridge]

Teddy Whitten had long retired 25 years ago and Matthews was in his last couple of seasons but I get your point.Matthews is acknowledged by many old timers as the all time champ.

Not all oldtimers. Plenty also say Whitten, or Coleman, or Skilton (obviously he did win Brownlows). My own father who saw all these guys thought Coleman was the best he ever saw until Ablett. It's all subjective.

Here's a quick list of absolute champions who never got the Brownlow:

Jack Dyer, John Coleman, Bob Rose, Ron Barassi, Ted Whitten, Polly Farmer, Darrel Baldock, Alex Jesaulenko, Peter Hudson, John Nicholls, Leigh Matthews, Gary Ablett, and Wayne Carey.

Useful collection there. And that's just off the top of my head, there's obviously plenty more.

 

[Hood007]

Teddy Whitten had long retired 25 years ago and Matthews was in his last couple of seasons but I get your point.Matthews is acknowledged by many old timers as the all time champ.

You never said in the last 25 years...
I think Garry Hocking was pretty stiff for a while there. Scott West also. It's interesting to see that all the champions of this era have won brownlow's: Voss, Hird, Buckley, Harvey, Crawford, Ricciutio, Woewodin...
That would suggest that they get it right most of the time...

 

[Blues_Man]

Greg Williams ...44 possessions and didn't get a single vote . ripped off by the maggots big time

 

[Hood007]

Greg Williams ...44 possessions and didn't get a single vote . ripped off by the maggots big time

As if they weren't just cheap handballs out of the backline!

 

[Binxy]

Robbie Muir

 

[undecided]

You never said in the last 25 years...
I think Garry Hocking was pretty stiff for a while there. Scott West also. It's interesting to see that all the champions of this era have won brownlow's: Voss, Hird, Buckley, Harvey, Crawford, Ricciutio, Woewodin...
That would suggest that they get it right most of the time...

Champions of this era!! Woewodin is hardly a champion. A one year wonder maybe. Please do not list him with those other blokes

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Phil Carmen?

 

[Minimum Chips]

David Grenvold

 

[Pamam]

i may be biased!!!

But Kouta was undoubtedly the best player in the league in 2000.

as just about won everything that year apart from the Brownlow. Still amazes me how Woewodin won that year!!!

 

[Partridge]

Greg Williams ...44 possessions and didn't get a single vote . ripped off by the maggots big time

There was an earlier one. Paul Couch in 1989 had 45 possessions and kicked 3 goals in round 22 v Richmond and also didn't get a vote. The difference was he won it anyway so there was no controversy. Could have been though.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

I don't think the problem is so much to do with who the umpires do and don't like. The real problem is that anyone who's not a mid, doesn't score the votes they deserve. It's ridiculous how few votes key forwards, for example, score in comparison to mids. That's the main reason why the likes of Dunstall, Carey, Kernahan etc didn't score Brownlows.

 

[tigerjungle]

Don't know if umpires didn't like him but the closest this guy came to contested footy was shaking an opponents hand at the end of the game.

Simply an ignorant response to a great player. Have a look at footy from 67 to 74 and KB was under packs and gaining clearances. For a bloke about 74kg dripping wet this was remarkable. In his later career he was a HF flanker, more an opportunist than an onballer.

Have a look at the 67 GF and you will see KB as a 17 year old tearing Geelong another one with his clearances.

Great players like KB and Matthews suffered from being in great teams. Other players took votes from them. Plus they didn't have blond hair.( KB didn't have any hair) unlike Keith Grieg and Peter Moore.

 

[richardnose]

Greg Anderson should've won it one year too.

greg anderson was darren millane's little bitch.

 

[The Tinman]

greg anderson was darren millane's little bitch.

Chris Grant...
McKerno got close one year too I think...

Everyone was Millane's betch...except the bus or truck that trollied him...

hard player, dirtier than what was under Libba's fingernails...

 

[Austin_McCrabbs]

David Strooper