Which clubs have the best 25 and under team?

[Saints2028onwards]

Saints - 25 and under
Shoenmaker - Barrat - Travaglia
Hastie - Caminiti - Clark
NVM - Phillipou - Wilson
Owens - Tauru - Henry
Higgins - King - Sharman
FOLL: Dodson - Windhager, Boxshall

Garcia - Stocker - Byrnes - McLennan - Dow - Carrol - Collard

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I would say that Freo has the best top 5 under 25?

Serong
Young
Jackson
Clarke
Amiss

Treacy is a serious talent too. We are very blessed for young players at the moment.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Should we allow a Geelong+Collingwood combine team?

Their over 33 team would be sick though.

 

[PhatBoy]

Should we allow a Geelong+Collingwood combine team?

Their ocer 33 team would be sick though.

HAHAHAHAHAHA YEAH IT WOULD BE SICK HAY

I’m sure our four over 33s in the entire list would be great contributors to it, as opposed to the 10 guys born after 2000 likely to be first choice players in 2025

I mean sure, we know all your draftees will be first choice within the first two rounds, we accept that, in the words of a notable guest character on Sons of Anarchy.

But we can’t all be like you.

 

[Footy Smarts]

For Geelong born 2000 and later who have debuted.

Mullin - SDK - xxx
Humphries - O'Sullivan - xxx
Dempsey - Bruhn - Knevitt
O Henry - Neale - Clohesy
xxx - xxx - xxx
Conway - Holmes - Smith
Clark - xxx - xxx - xxx

It certainly looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.

The defence and forward line look weak but Z Guthrie, J Henry, Bowes, Close, Stengle and Miers are all 25-26 so those are pretty well covered. Tall forward the clear weakness and I'd expect us to target that area in free agency or trade over the coming years to cover Cameron's decline.

A lot will depend on how good the midfield of Conway, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn, Clark, Dempsey, etc can be when they fully mature.

 

[PhatBoy]

For Geelong born 2000 and later who have debuted.

Mullin - SDK - xxx
Humphries - O'Sullivan - xxx
Dempsey - Bruhn - Knevitt
O Henry - Neale - Clohesy
xxx - xxx - xxx
Conway - Holmes - Smith
Clark - xxx - xxx - xxx

It certainly looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.

The defence and forward line look weak but Z Guthrie, J Henry, Bowes, Close, Stengle and Miers are all 25-26 so those are pretty well covered. Tall forward the clear weakness and I'd expect us to target that area in free agency or trade over the coming years to cover Cameron's decline.

A lot will depend on how good the midfield of Conway, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn, Clark, Dempsey, etc can be when they fully mature.

Nope. All our players are 70.

 

[STPer18]

For Geelong born 2000 and later who have debuted.

Mullin - SDK - xxx
Humphries - O'Sullivan - xxx
Dempsey - Bruhn - Knevitt
O Henry - Neale - Clohesy
xxx - xxx - xxx
Conway - Holmes - Smith
Clark - xxx - xxx - xxx

It certainly looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.

The defence and forward line look weak but Z Guthrie, J Henry, Bowes, Close, Stengle and Miers are all 25-26 so those are pretty well covered. Tall forward the clear weakness and I'd expect us to target that area in free agency or trade over the coming years to cover Cameron's decline.

A lot will depend on how good the midfield of Conway, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn, Clark, Dempsey, etc can be when they fully mature.

Yep I was doing a mock-up too and the forward line gets dudded by the cut-off the hardest. All of Stengle, Miers and Close miss out by 12-18 months. A key forward to go with Neale is the biggest hole.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

For Geelong born 2000 and later who have debuted.

Mullin - SDK - xxx
Humphries - O'Sullivan - xxx
Dempsey - Bruhn - Knevitt
O Henry - Neale - Clohesy
xxx - xxx - xxx
Conway - Holmes - Smith
Clark - xxx - xxx - xxx

It certainly looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.

The defence and forward line look weak but Z Guthrie, J Henry, Bowes, Close, Stengle and Miers are all 25-26 so those are pretty well covered. Tall forward the clear weakness and I'd expect us to target that area in free agency or trade over the coming years to cover Cameron's decline.

A lot will depend on how good the midfield of Conway, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn, Clark, Dempsey, etc can be when they fully mature.

Last year on the Cats v Tigers rebuilds thread weren't you & other Cats supporters falling over youselves to point out it was all about proven talent 23 & under, and Tigers gun 25-26yo's who just netted 5 x rd 1 picks in trades were:

a) not that good, &
b) irrelevant to Richmond's future prospects.

Now your wheel seems to have magically gone full circle to highlighting all the Cats 25 & 26yo's who seem according to you to secure the cats future needs.

Interesting.

 

[aussierulesrules]

In the coming year, Fremantle, North Melbourne, Hawthorn, and Gold Coast stand out.

I’d be very comfortable pitting ours up against North and Hawthorns teams.

They’d both have us in the midfield, but I imagine our forward line would have a field day against that Hawthorn backline (who have played 26 games between them in one of the teams listed), while North’s spine (ruck and key positions) had 4 kids who haven’t played a game yet (out of the 5) and both their forward and backlines were very weak. We have a much more even spread and more established “talls”.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Saints - 25 and under
Shoenmaker - Barrat - Travaglia
Hastie - Caminiti - Clark
NVM - Phillipou - Wilson
Owens - Tauru - Henry
Higgins - King - Sharman
FOLL: Dodson - Windhager, Boxshall

Garcia - Stocker - Byrnes - McLennan - Dow - Carrol - Collard

I forgot about Jack Carroll in mine. Have added him now. Peeps are really liking what they’re seeing of him on the track so far.

Higgins, Clark and Dow were all born in 1999 through, so they don’t qualify. It’s only for those born in the 2000’s.

B: Stocker Caminiti Schoenmaker
HB: Wang-mil Tauru Travaglia
C: Wilson Phillipou Byrnes
HF: Henry Sharman Owens
F: Collard King Keeler
R: Dodson Carroll Windhager
I: Garcia Hastie McLennan Boxshall
S: Hall

E: Heath Barrat O’Connell Said

 

[Footy Smarts]

Last year on the Cats v Tigers rebuilds thread weren't you & other Cats supporters falling over youselves to point out it was all about proven talent 23 & under, and Tigers gun 25-26yo's who just netted 5 x rd 1 picks in trades were:

a) not that good, &
b) irrelevant to Richmond's future prospects.

Now your wheel seems to have magically gone full circle to highlighting all the Cats 25 & 26yo's who seem according to you to secure the cats future needs.

Interesting.

No I didn't say that. And it would be nice if you could not turn every thread into Geelong and Richmond discussion.

Because you brought it up I said:

1) both clubs had good middle aged groups (Bolton, Rioli, Taranto, Baker and Z Guthrie, Stengle, Close, Miers, JHenry, etc).

2) neither of those groups were going to lead to massive improvements of either team because they were already good players close to their peaks.

3) Geelong had vastly superior young players who should improve a lot compared to the Richmond youngsters.

Shock horror the Richmond kids were exposed last year and they won the spoon while Geelong's youngsters developed and led to us going deep in finals. Bolton, Baker and Rioli agreed and got out of there quick smart.

Now go back to fapping over Richmond finally getting some talented youngsters on their list and let the adults continue the discussion.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I forgot about Jack Carroll in mine. Have added him now. Peeps are really liking what they’re seeing of him on the track so far.

Higgins, Clark and Dow were all born in 1999 through, so they don’t qualify. It’s only for those born in the 2000’s.

B: Stocker Caminiti Schoenmaker
HB: Wang-mil Tauru Travaglia
C: Wilson Phillipou Byrnes
HF: Henry Sharman Owens
F: Collard King Keeler
R: Dodson Carroll Windhager
I: Garcia Hastie McLennan Boxshall
S: Hall

E: Heath Barrat O’Connell Said

The Saints are in a bit of a weird list spot where it's doubtful whether they can really compete before Sinclair, Marshall and Wilkie start dropping off. But I do like their drafting over recent years.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The Saints are in a bit of a weird list spot where it's doubtful whether they can really compete before Sinclair, Marshall and Wilkie start dropping off. But I do like their drafting over recent years.

We’ve added a very significant amount of young talent over the last 2-3 years (apparently 28 list changes since 2021, and we now have a dozen who are currently under 20yo on our lists, and 24 who are currently under 24), so we’re going to be getting to the stage next year where a lot of these highly talented kids are entering their 2nd, 3rd, 4th years, and that’s where you can start to see real “breakout years”.

So we’re basically in “rebuild mode” at the moment, yet we won 13 games last year, and then 11 this year- with 6 losses of 10 points or less (5 of which were against eventual finalists, 4 of them interstate, or in Geelong), so unlike the rebuilding teams that have to relearn how to win, once our youth start to really break out, we don’t have to climb all the way up from down the bottom of the ladder.

We’re already winning as much as we lose, and super-competitive against good teams in a lot of our losses, so once our best kids in particular start to click into gear, we could be good in a hurry.

And then there’s the fact that we have salary cap space up the wazoo.

If the “big fish” from around the league see that we have loads of young talent, are playing really good footy, and we’re offering them obscene amounts of money, there’s every chance we’ll be able to finally start landing some of them.

It could happen pretty quickly, like we saw with say Hawthorn this year. They went from a 7 win, percentage of 80 season last year, to being second favourites for next years flag in the blink of an eye.

 

[hawkman]

Not sure it really matters. No one rated ours 2-3 years ago

 

[adammania9]

Should we allow a Geelong+Collingwood combine team?

Their over 33 team would be sick though.

Thread was posted in March 2022.

Geelong + Collingwood = 16th and 12th most chosen teams
Two premierships won

The 6 most chosen teams have since combined for 0 premierships.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Thread was posted in March 2022.

Geelong + Collingwood = 16th and 12th most chosen teams
Two premierships won

The 6 most chosen teams have since combined for 0 premierships.

Which shows experienced teams with talent win flags.
This thread is about talent
once experienced they should be at the pointy end.
How do you think the u18 AA team would go against the spooners?
My money would be on the spooners
In one game last year freo put out a starting 18 that were all drafted 10yrs after Pendlebury was drafted.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Thread was posted in March 2022.

Geelong + Collingwood = 16th and 12th most chosen teams
Two premierships won

The 6 most chosen teams have since combined for 0 premierships.

But how many drafts have they won?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Thread was posted in March 2022.

Geelong + Collingwood = 16th and 12th most chosen teams
Two premierships won

The 6 most chosen teams have since combined for 0 premierships.

But the Cats & Pies flag teams did not come predominantly or even substantially from the 25 & under cohort.

Who were the 6 most chosen teams? See how they get on over these next 5-6 years.

 

[Lingsface]

Last year on the Cats v Tigers rebuilds thread weren't you & other Cats supporters falling over youselves to point out it was all about proven talent 23 & under, and Tigers gun 25-26yo's who just netted 5 x rd 1 picks in trades were:

a) not that good, &
b) irrelevant to Richmond's future prospects.

Now your wheel seems to have magically gone full circle to highlighting all the Cats 25 & 26yo's who seem according to you to secure the cats future needs.

Interesting.

Well it is entirely different circumstances because our 25-28 year olds are in a side that could win a premiership in the next 4-5 years. Ones at Richmond are not in that same position as you are dead last atm. So it makes perfect sense for whoever put forward that argument. I’d take our 10-12 youngsters over 22 of yours atm by the way.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Well it is entirely different circumstances because our 25-28 year olds are in a side that could win a premiership in the next 4-5 years. Ones at Richmond are not in that same position as you are dead last atm. So it makes perfect sense for whoever put forward that argument. I’d take our 10-12 youngsters over 22 of yours atm by the way.

It only makes sense because Richmond had an incredibly bad run with injury last year & Geelong had a very good run. Not because of the respective value of the players on the two lists. Richmond clearly had 3 very valuable 25-26yo's because the player trade market has just confirmed that beyond doubt.

You can back your youngsters in, it is fair enough. But it is now highly unlikely that Richmond do not have on their list:

1. More than 1 young player who is elite,
2. A strong depth of young talent covering basically every position on the field

They may take a few years to develop, especially with a weaker team aroud them, but they are there with a serious presence on the list now. And if the group that were already on the list in 2023 get any sort of run with injuries they will gain a lot more respect here as well.

 

[bigman]

FB: Michalanney/Keane/Worrell
HB: Jones/NMurray/Nankervis
_C Sholl/Draper/Dowling
HF: Rachele/Curtin/Berry
FF: Rankine/Thilthorpe/Pedlar
_R: TMurray/Soligo/Peatling
IN: Cook/Taylor/Borlase/Bond
SU: Schoenberg
EM: Edwards/Ryan/Welsh

Strengths are definitely key position defenders and lots of quality in the forward line.

Midfield is a weakness but with Draper and Peatling coming in it looks less dire. Plus Curtin would’ve been in there if not that I needed a chf and Curtin can play there.

Rucks is a genuine issue, Toby Murray at 200cm is only a part timer at this stage.

Another positive is that a lot of these players are in our best 23 anyway.

 

[Mr Meow]

It only makes sense because Richmond had an incredibly bad run with injury last year & Geelong had a very good run. Not because of the respective value of the players on the two lists. Richmond clearly had 3 very valuable 25-26yo's because the player trade market has just confirmed that beyond doubt.

You can back your youngsters in, it is fair enough. But it is now highly unlikely that Richmond do not have on their list:

1. More than 1 young player who is elite,
2. A strong depth of young talent covering basically every position on the field

They may take a few years to develop, especially with a weaker team aroud them, but they are there with a serious presence on the list now. And if the group that were already on the list in 2023 get any sort of run with injuries they will gain a lot more respect here as well.

So, so delusional. It's painful to watch.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So, so delusional. It's painful to watch.

The trouble for you is my delusions are more accurate and realistic than your regular thoughts.

 

[Rich01]

For Geelong born 2000 and later who have debuted.

Mullin - SDK - xxx
Humphries - O'Sullivan - xxx
Dempsey - Bruhn - Knevitt
O Henry - Neale - Clohesy
xxx - xxx - xxx
Conway - Holmes - Smith
Clark - xxx - xxx - xxx

It certainly looks a lot better than it did a few years ago.

The defence and forward line look weak but Z Guthrie, J Henry, Bowes, Close, Stengle and Miers are all 25-26 so those are pretty well covered. Tall forward the clear weakness and I'd expect us to target that area in free agency or trade over the coming years to cover Cameron's decline.

A lot will depend on how good the midfield of Conway, Holmes, Smith, Bruhn, Clark, Dempsey, etc can be when they fully mature.

Need players to get Knevitt and Bruhn out of that centreline.

 

[Bald]

Ours is interesting.

FB: B. Khamis- J. O'Donnell- L. Cleary
HB: J Freijah - xxx - N. Coffield
C: C. Poulter - E. Richards - O. Baker
CHF: L. McNeil - A. Naughton - R. Garcia
FF: C. Weightman - J Ugle-Hagan - R. West
R: S. Darcy - R. Sanders - H. Gallagher

Hoping Busslinger takes the FB or CHB position, with Croft taking the other allowing O'Donnell to move to one of the back pockets. Khamis, Cleary or Coffield come out. Really need a good pressure small forward.