Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[treeebeard]

There we have it. At least you're not a coward, just a conspiracy theorist. A place of worship was burned out with people inside it in an alleged terrorist attack gets widespread coverage, but a truck with nobody in it that is flying Palestinian flags had its tray burned doesn't get the same coverage? Well must be the Jewish woops I mean Israel lobby. I imagine if they left something obvious derogatory of Islam at the scene, it would have got similar coverage to the antisemitic graffiti near cars that were vandalized in Sydney.

Yes because places of worship being burned or cars set on fire while people are inside is totally a common thing that happens every year in Australia Doing a google search for a widespread coverage of an antisemitic attack in Australia prior to October 2023 found not much that rose to the kind of national coverage that would be denounced at the level of a Prime Minister. The nearest I found was in 2013 a NSW premier denounced an alleged antisemitic attack against a Jew in Bondi. Couldn't find much else beside that from a quick search.

That this is your explanation for the fact that a similar incident got similar coverage in Australia is just more evidence of your conspiracy brain. The simple explanation is these kinds of attacks against places of worship are shocking and uncommon, that's why I had to go back so far. Just like I have to go back even further to find something remotely close for an antisemitic incident of a remotely similar scale of media and political coverage in Australia.

Not a theory at all. Fact, backed by first hand reports from guys like Bob Carr and John Lyons. When you've worked in Australian news rooms or been a federal MP, let me know. Then I'll consider your opinion, until then, you're the theorist

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

A lot more attacks on Moslems aren't racially motivated compared to attacks on Jews, apparently.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/103018278

Maybe if Hamas would just lay down their arms and return the hostages, it would end the war and then there would be more goodwill towards our Muslim community. Could we say the same about the Jewish community?

Antisemitism is thousands of years old and worldwide. Is Islamophobia?

Even though Australian Muslims and Jews have nothing to do with the conflict.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

In the last 12 hours the IDF assaulted Kamal Adwan hospital in northern Gaza. They issued evacuation orders and any staff or patients inside were sniped, shelled and attacked with missiles.

Patients were moved to internal corridors to avoid shrapnel and sniper fire.

Psychopathic attacks required to complete their cleansing plan for northern Gaza.

 

[Jazny]

Never has someone been so triggered by attacks on Israel, yet so blase about Israeli terror. You are straight up lying if you're pretending you aren't Israeli, or have Israeli family.

You are so coded it's cartoonish.

Your truth detector is broken, but it's no surprise to me given your set of beliefs. I have no connection to Israel at all. Different religious background, different ethnicity, I don't even know anyone from there apart from ZEV, he is the only Israeli I have talked to that I know of and I only know him from this thread. Seeing Jews everywhere? Bit of a red flag.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Your truth detector is broken, but it's no surprise to me given your set of beliefs. I have no connection to Israel at all. Different religious background, different ethnicity, I don't even know anyone from there apart from ZEV. Seeing Jews everywhere? Bit of a red flag.

That's actually worse.

How would you describe my 'set of beliefs'?

 

[Jazny]

That's actually worse.

How would you describe my 'set of beliefs'?

Conspiratorial.

 

[Jazny]

Not a theory at all. Fact, backed by first hand reports from guys like Bob Carr and John Lyons. When you've worked in Australian news rooms or been a federal MP, let me know. Then I'll consider your opinion, until then, you're the theorist

What evidence did Bob Carr and John Lyons give that convinced you of heavy interference in media and politics from the Israel lobby such that would explain anything discussed in this thread?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Conspiratorial.

Meh, apart from typing in haste about the Nova relocation nothing Ive said is remotely controversial.

 

[treeebeard]

What evidence did Bob Carr and John Lyons give that convinced you of heavy interference in media and politics from the Israel lobby such that would explain anything discussed in this thread?

Australian government criticism of illegal west bank settlements were banned by Israel lobby groups.
Censorship and disciplinary action taken against journalists who don't follow the narrative. Are examples of things Carr and Lyons have said publicly.

 

[Jazny]

Australian government criticism of illegal west bank settlements were banned by Israel lobby groups.
Censorship and disciplinary action taken against journalists who don't follow the narrative. Are examples of things Carr and Lyons have said publicly.

Did Bob Carr say "criticism of illegal West Bank settlements was banned by Israel lobby groups"? I dont think he ever said that. What did he actually say and what evidence did he give for the things he actually said? You must know, you whole belief of zionist groups interfering in Australian media and politics is based on these accounts, apparently.

What "censorship" have the Israeli lobby groups been able to put on Australian journalists? What disciplinary action was taken and what did the journalists actually say to be disciplined? Do you think they put out a well researched piece of journalism that is critical of Israel and they get censored and disciplined due to pressure from lobbyists? Can you give an example of this happening?

 

[treeebeard]

Did Bob Carr say "criticism of illegal West Bank settlements was banned by Israel lobby groups"? I dont think he ever said that. What did he actually say and what evidence did he give for the things he actually said? You must know, you whole belief of zionist groups interfering in Australian media and politics is based on these accounts, apparently.

What "censorship" have the Israeli lobby groups been able to put on Australian journalists? What disciplinary action was taken and what did the journalists actually say to be disciplined? Do you think they put out a well researched piece of journalism that is critical of Israel and they get censored and disciplined due to pressure from lobbyists? Can you give an example of this happening?

Let me guess, you probably think Gina Rinehart doesn't influence political decisions etiher

"I found it very frustrating that we couldn't issue, for example, a routine expression of concern about the spread of Israeli settlements on the West Bank"
Bob Carr in relation to lobbyists

 

[Jazny]

Let me guess, you probably think Gina Rinehart doesn't influence political decisions etiher

Wait, are you trying to go from talking about interference to influence? Your original claim was "Political zionism and its interference with our media and politicians". Did you misspeak?

If all you are arguing is that Israeli lobby groups influence politicians, what sets that apart from any other lobby group? They are all trying to influence politicians, that's the point of lobbying. There are pro-Palestinian lobby groups, pro-Mining, pro-Climate change lobby groups. All kinds of lobby groups. Before you claimed they interfered in Australian politics, which is a much stronger claim. That's why foreign influence is fine, for example, but foreign interference is illegal. Interference is nefarious, influence is perfectly fine.

I have no idea if Rinehart interferes in Australian politics, but she definitely influences it to some degree.

"I found it very frustrating that we couldn't issue, for example, a routine expression of concern about the spread of Israeli settlements on the West Bank"
Bob Carr in relation to lobbyists

So you accept this quote as fact and evidence for your take that the "Australian government criticism of illegal west bank settlements were banned by Israel lobby groups"?

Here is Bob Carr in a follow up interview on the ABC making a far more watered down claim after being called out:
"The fact is the influence the pro-Israel lobby was attempting to exert on the government and did until I stood up to them was not in the interests of Israel, not in the interests of the Middle East peace, and was being inappropriately and bullyingly (sic) exercised in the government.... It needed to be resisted and I'm proud to have done that."

Wow. A lobby group was attempting to influence the government, but in the end didn't. I am shocked by this revelation and I now believe this powerful lobby group must be behind the reason the Synagogue story was covered differently by media and politicians than truck being burned.

There was no ban from lobby groups on the government being able to criticise anyone. He gives no reason for us to believe that Gillard's decisions were actually influenced by the 'Israel lobby' and were not just decisions she arrived at on her own. He seems to just be saying she has an Israel friendly position therefore she must have been influenced by the Israel lobby in Melbourne. It's pretty stupid stuff.

Why don't you believe Labor MP Michael Danby's rebuke on Bob Carr's claim? "No-one has that kind of influence. There are various people who have different views in Australian political life and Bob's a big boy. He should be bigger than that".

 

[DapperDon]

Meh, apart from typing in haste about the Nova relocation nothing Ive said is remotely controversial.

You need to remember that caring about the deaths of those being bombed other than just Israeli's is controversial to Jazny.

 

[treeebeard]

Wait, are you trying to go from talking about interference to influence? Your original claim was "Political zionism and its interference with our media and politicians". Did you misspeak?

If all you are arguing is that Israeli lobby groups influence politicians, what sets that apart from any other lobby group? They are all trying to influence politicians, that's the point of lobbying. There are pro-Palestinian lobby groups, pro-Mining, pro-Climate change lobby groups. All kinds of lobby groups. Before you claimed they interfered in Australian politics, which is a much stronger claim. That's why foreign influence is fine, for example, but foreign interference is illegal. Interference is nefarious, influence is perfectly fine.

I have no idea if Rinehart interferes in Australian politics, but she definitely influences it to some degree.

So you accept this quote as fact and evidence for your take that the "Australian government criticism of illegal west bank settlements were banned by Israel lobby groups"?

Here is Bob Carr in a follow up interview on the ABC making a far more watered down claim after being called out:
"The fact is the influence the pro-Israel lobby was attempting to exert on the government and did until I stood up to them was not in the interests of Israel, not in the interests of the Middle East peace, and was being inappropriately and bullyingly (sic) exercised in the government.... It needed to be resisted and I'm proud to have done that."

Wow. A lobby group was attempting to influence the government, but in the end didn't. I am shocked by this revelation and I now believe this powerful lobby group must be behind the reason the Synagogue story was covered differently by media and politicians than truck being burned.

There was no ban from lobby groups on the government being able to criticise anyone. He gives no reason for us to believe that Gillard's decisions were actually influenced by the 'Israel lobby' and were not just decisions she arrived at on her own. He seems to just be saying she has an Israel friendly position therefore she must have been influenced by the Israel lobby in Melbourne. It's pretty stupid stuff.

Why don't you believe Labor MP Michael Danby's rebuke on Bob Carr's claim? "No-one has that kind of influence. There are various people who have different views in Australian political life and Bob's a big boy. He should be bigger than that".

Nothing sets Israel lobbyists intentions apart from others. They are insidious and I'd love it if they didnt exist. They lobby for a reason. To interfere with government policy in their favour. If they weren't successful at doing this, they wouldn't waste the time or money it takes to do it.

 

[Jazny]

You need to remember that caring about the deaths of those being bombed other than just Israeli's is controversial to Jazny.

Who are you trying to convince by saying this? This was very petty and dishonest, Dapper. You can do better than this if you want to criticise my point of view.

 

[Jazny]

Nothing sets Israel lobbyists intentions apart from others. They are insidious and I'd love it if they didnt exist. They lobby for a reason. To interfere with government policy in their favour. If they weren't successful at doing this, they wouldn't waste the time or money it takes to do it.

Doesn't everyone lobby for a reason? There are pro-Palestinian lobbies. Would you say they are interfering with government policy in their favour? What's the difference?

 

[treeebeard]

Doesn't everyone lobby for a reason? There are pro-Palestinian lobbies. Would you say they are interfering with government policy in their favour? What's the difference?

I've never heard a politician say that pro Palestine lobby groups have interfered with Australian policy positions.

 

[jason_recliner]

I've never heard a politician say that pro Palestine lobby groups have interfered with Australian policy positions.

Furthermore there's absolutely zero evidence Palestinian lobbying - if it exists - has interfered with Australian government policy and almost endless evidence and repercussions of Jewish lobbying interfering with Australian policy. Gulf wars, anyone? 120+ countries against Gazan genocide but not Australia, already forgotten? Difference in response to hate crimes? Murdoch press... And so on and so forth.

 

[Kurve]

Furthermore there's absolutely zero evidence Palestinian lobbying - if it exists - has interfered with Australian government policy and almost endless evidence and repercussions of Jewish lobbying interfering with Australian policy. Gulf wars, anyone? 120+ countries against Gazan genocide but not Australia, already forgotten? Difference in response to hate crimes? And so on and so forth.

Policy Reports

How should the Australian aid program to Palestine change under a Labor government? Engaging with Youth Politics: Understanding the Positions of ACT Young Labor and ACT Young Liberals on the Situation in Israel and Palestine Contradictions in Australian Foreign Policy: The Israel-Palestine...

www.palestine-australia.com

Palestinians’ aggressive lobbying upset Labor but it worked

Australia’s decision to support Palestinian UN membership follows seven months of intense, and aggressive, lobbying by a network of activists.

www.afr.com

https://apan.org.au/

file:///C:/Users/61413/Downloads/Sub%2011%20-%20Australia%20Palestine%20Advocacy%20Network.pdf

 

[treeebeard]

Furthermore there's absolutely zero evidence Palestinian lobbying - if it exists - has interfered with Australian government policy and almost endless evidence and repercussions of Jewish lobbying interfering with Australian policy. Gulf wars, anyone? 120+ countries against Gazan genocide but not Australia, already forgotten? Difference in response to hate crimes? Murdoch press... And so on and so forth.

I'm sure they lobby, but I haven't heard a politician say it influenced national policy positions. Don't think I've ever seen it have impacts like it did for Melissa Parke either.

 

[Kurve]

Furthermore there's absolutely zero evidence Palestinian lobbying - if it exists - has interfered with Australian government policy and almost endless evidence and repercussions of Jewish lobbying interfering with Australian policy. Gulf wars, anyone? 120+ countries against Gazan genocide but not Australia, already forgotten? Difference in response to hate crimes? And so on and so forth.

What does 'Jewish' lobbying in Australia have to do with Gulf wars?

 

[jason_recliner]

I'm sure they lobby, but I haven't heard a politician say it influenced national policy positions. Don't think I've ever seen it have impacts like it did for Melissa Parke either.

Yep, of course they have a voice to some extent. Meanwhile...

Hamas officials say ceasefire 'closer than ever' as 28 killed in Gaza by Israeli strikes

At least 28 Palestinians were killed by Israeli air strikes in Gaza targeting a school building and a family home.

The director of a hospital in northern Gaza said the Israeli military had ordered the evacuation of the medical centre, which he called "next to impossible" without ambulances.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-22/gaza-hospital-28-killed-by-israeli-strikes/104756362

 

[jason_recliner]

What does 'Jewish' lobbying in Australia have to do with Gulf wars?

Research A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, Project for the New American Century, and General Wesley K Clark.

 

[Zidane98]

That's a pretty big f u by Syria to Iran.