Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

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[sherb]

"815 of 1,195 people killed on October 7 were civilians."

I was wrong.

Meanwhile, Israel has ruthlessly slaughtered tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians in response. Fully supported by its significant allies.

A completely disproportionate and unwarranted response.

 

[Jazny]

It's not. And even less so the vehicles.

Source? Not to be morbid, but if the burial thing was to cover up the crime, why didnt they take all the possessions and/or burn the bodies and vehicles instead of just burying them?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Source? Not to be morbid, but if the burial thing was to cover up the crime, why didnt they take all the possessions and/or burn the bodies and vehicles instead of just burying them?

Why do you think they buried them?

 

[Jazny]

Why do you think they buried them?

Without other evidence to suggest otherwise, I accept the IDF's explanation on that part of it that they just buried the bodies and marked it so they could move on. It doesn't make much sense as a cover up. But none of us know for sure, hopefully the investigation reveals it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

They dug a big hole and buried the bodies and ambulances.

But it wasn't a cover up!

Would you like to buy a bridge Jazny?

 

[Jazny]

They dug a big hole and buried the bodies and ambulances.

But it wasn't a cover up!

Would you like to buy a bridge Jazny?

The hole that the bodies were in was shallow. What else did they do at the time also, GP? Inform the UN? It's a strange cover up. I don't think the bodies were buried to cover up any evidence that they were killed. The IDF's explanation about why the bodies specifically were buried is plausible and makes the most sense to me. But it's possible it was the dumbest and weirdest cover up attempt of all time too. I guess we will find out.

It looks like a war crime to me, regardless. Just to remove any doubt that people think I am trying to absolve the IDF soldiers of any guilt. I just don't think the burial thing is that suspicious at this stage based on the info we have.

 

[Kurve]

Among the allegations the hostages families are making, is three minutes before the October 7 attack launched, a previously sleeping SJP (Students for Justice Palestine) Instagram account connected to Nerdeen Kiswani of WOL (Within Our Lifetime), was reactivated with a message "We're back!" "Stay tuned!" and another through the attack to “join the battle in any way they can.”

The suggestion is these groups had prior knowledge of the October 7 attack and that they are in fact, an arm of Hamas.

The reason I'm raising this in here is because if the plaintiffs are successful, I can envision charges may follow.

“Associational Defendants have distributed pro-terror propaganda produced by and literally stamped with the logo of the ‘Hamas Media Office,’ ” the filing claims.

Hamas hostages’ families sue Mahmoud Khalil, anti-Israel groups for ‘aiding and abetting’ terror group

The families of those kidnapped by Hamas during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack have filed a lawsuit against detained Columbia University protester Mahmoud Khalil and several student groups for alleged…

nypost.com

 

[Kurve]

The hole that the bodies were in was shallow. What else did they do at the time also, GP? Inform the UN? It's a strange cover up. I don't think the bodies were buried to cover up any evidence that they were killed. The IDF's explanation about why the bodies specifically were buried is plausible and makes the most sense to me. But it's possible it was the dumbest and weirdest cover up attempt of all time too. I guess we will find out.

It looks like a war crime to me, regardless. Just to remove any doubt that people think I am trying to absolve the IDF soldiers of any guilt. I just don't think the burial thing is that suspicious at this stage based on the info we have.

Looks cover uppery, I've read they crushed the ambulances before burying them.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Among the allegations the hostages families are making, is three minutes before the October 7 attack launched, a previously sleeping SJP (Students for Justice Palestine) Instagram account connected to Nerdeen Kiswani of WOL (Within Our Lifetime), was reactivated with a message "We're back!" "Stay tuned!" and another through the attack to “join the battle in any way they can.”

The suggestion is these groups had prior knowledge of the October 7 attack and that they are in fact, an arm of Hamas.

The reason I'm raising this in here is because if the plaintiffs are successful, I can envision charges may follow.

“Associational Defendants have distributed pro-terror propaganda produced by and literally stamped with the logo of the ‘Hamas Media Office,’ ” the filing claims.

Hamas hostages’ families sue Mahmoud Khalil, anti-Israel groups for ‘aiding and abetting’ terror group

The families of those kidnapped by Hamas during the Oct. 7 terrorist attack have filed a lawsuit against detained Columbia University protester Mahmoud Khalil and several student groups for alleged…

nypost.com

This is the most pitifully embarrassing shit.

 

[Kurve]

This is the most pitifully embarrassing shit.

But no small thing. Right or wrong, Hamas in it's entirety, is a proscribed terrorist organisation by law in the US, Canada, the UK and Australia.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

But no small thing. Right or wrong, Hamas in it's entirety, is a proscribed terrorist organisation by law in the US, Canada, the UK and Australia.

Oh given the US at the moment they'll probably make something up to make it stick, like they're trying to do to get Khalil deported.

Protest against genocide is somehow rendering aid to terrorists. Absolutely ridiculous. Of course they think they deserve money for some reason.

 

[Jazny]

Looks cover uppery, I've read they crushed the ambulances before burying them.

Do you think they were trying to conceal the bodies and ambulances from ever being discovered? I am not sure what the claim is here. There were Palestinian witnesses sitting there watching this happen and the soldiers knew they were there. It's a very weird cover up if it is one, it's not impossible, but it seems counter-factual.

 

[Kurve]

Do you think they were trying to conceal the bodies and ambulances from ever being discovered? I am not sure what the claim is here. There were Palestinian witnesses sitting there watching this happen and the soldiers knew they were there. It's a very weird cover up if it is one, it's not impossible, but it seems counter-factual.

No, I think they might have been buying some time. There's no way this could be covered up completely.

Agree there's elements in this that are weird, including that the shooting was going on for two hours which had me wondering if anybody in the vehicles was firing back.

One medic was captured with claims of being beaten, then released. One is still missing, maybe he somehow managed to get away.

 

[Jazny]

No, I think they might have been buying some time. There's no way this could be covered up completely.

Agree there's elements in this that are weird, including that the shooting was going on for two hours which had me wondering if anybody in the vehicles was firing back.

One medic was captured with claims of being beaten, then released. One is still missing, maybe he somehow managed to get away.

I am not going down the road of arguing the whole thing was legal, it looks really bad in terms of a war crime whether a deliberate ambushing and execution of Palestinian emergency workers or a recklessly bad case of mistaken identity that is a brazen war crime. I can't rule out there was return fire, but I think if that were true or some of them were armed we would probably be hearing about that by now.

I am just not sure I think the burial of the bodies or the ambulances is part of an attempted covered up after the fact, and if it was, it was literally the dumbest and worst cover up anyone has ever seen - which also can't be ruled out.

 

[Kurve]

I am not going down the road of arguing the whole thing was legal, it looks really bad in terms of a war crime whether a deliberate ambushing and execution of Palestinian emergency workers or a recklessly bad case of mistaken identity that is a brazen war crime. I can't rule out there was return fire, but I think if that were true or some of them were armed we would probably be hearing about that by now.

I am just not sure I think the burial of the bodies or the ambulances is part of an attempted covered up after the fact, and if it was, it was literally the dumbest and worst cover up anyone has ever seen - which also can't be ruled out.

The IDF has claimed six in the vehicles were Hamas militants but they also lied about why they started shooting at the ambulances in the first place. If they knew there was six militants in the vehicles, they didn't have to lie.

 

[Jazny]

The IDF has claimed six in the vehicles were Hamas militants but they also lied about why they started shooting at the ambulances in the first place. If they knew there was six militants in the vehicles, they didn't have to lie.

Have you changed topic? We were just discussing why the bodies were buried, I am not sure what we're talking about now. The six militants are probably just the Palestinian Civil Defense guys and their presence alone isn't justification to fire on them.

 

[Kurve]

Have you changed topic? We were just discussing why the bodies were buried, I am not sure what we're talking about now. The six militants are probably just the Palestinian Civil Defense guys and their presence alone isn't justification to fire on them.

I'm not that curious about why they buried the bodies, that happens especially if they're in an area where the military have set up.

Burying the vehicles though seems odd.

 

[Jazny]

Burying the vehicles though seems odd.

Maybe but I think the simplest explanation is just cleared up the road with the bulldozer and the vehicles were crushed in the process. But I guess we can't know for sure until the investigation is finished.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[schneebly111]

Maybe but I think the simplest explanation is just cleared up the road with the bulldozer and the vehicles were crushed in the process. But I guess we can't know for sure until the investigation is finished.

Yea they were clearing the road with bulldozers and then those bulldozers crushed rather than pushed several ambulances off the road, then an excavator would have to be brought in to randomly dig up enough dirt for those vehicles to be buried into, then the bulldozers just accidentally pushed all that dirt back over the ambulances again.

Total accident, no cover up here. Just making sure the ambulances didn’t get eaten by stray dogs. Lucky with all those bulldozers and excavators the Israeli military didn’t have a single phone on them to capture all the evidence of weapons the medics were carrying which would have justified their murder.

The lengths some will go through to defend these people however…….

Btw how did all the other 5 dozen “investigations” the Israeli military has carried out on themselves gone? I keep hearing whenever a hospital is destroyed or aid workers murdered there’ll be an “investigations” but we never hear the result of it, or if we do it’s “we never did anything wrong”.

How perfect are the Israelis, everytime they investigate themselves and they always find they never put a foot wrong!

Timeline: Israel’s attacks on hospitals throughout its war on Gaza

List of some of the severest Israeli attacks on the healthcare system in Gaza since October 23, 2023.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Kurve]

Yea they were clearing the road with bulldozers and then those bulldozers crushed rather than pushed several ambulances off the road, then an excavator would have to be brought in to randomly dig up enough dirt for those vehicles to be buried into, then the bulldozers just accidentally pushed all that dirt back over the ambulances again.

Total accident, no cover up here. Just making sure the ambulances didn’t get eaten by stray dogs. Lucky with all those bulldozers and excavators the Israeli military didn’t have a single phone on them to capture all the evidence of weapons the medics were carrying which would have justified their murder.

The lengths some will go through to defend these people however…….

Btw how did all the other 5 dozen “investigations” the Israeli military has carried out on themselves gone? I keep hearing whenever a hospital is destroyed or aid workers murdered there’ll be an “investigations” but we never hear the result of it, or if we do it’s “we never did anything wrong”.

How perfect are the Israelis, everytime they investigate themselves and they always find they never put a foot wrong!

Timeline: Israel’s attacks on hospitals throughout its war on Gaza

List of some of the severest Israeli attacks on the healthcare system in Gaza since October 23, 2023.

www.aljazeera.com

Hundreds of Israeli medics are demanding an investigation in to this incident, IDF whistleblowers are coming forward and many are refusing to return to service.

They were never going to get away with the cover up of what looks like a war crime/s massacre, on this scale and in these circumstances. It would be beyond ridiculous to expect they could have a high end incident like this of shooting at ambulances for two hours and simply vanish the whole thing by burying it all in sand, including vehicles and just keep fingers crossed nobody's going to know what happened, walk away and try to forget about it.

That's why I think they were trying to buy some time.

They also left a medic now a witness, who was interrogated and beaten, alive.

 

[Jazny]

The lengths some will go through to defend these people however…….

I think you may have some serious reading difficulties. Not worth responding to.

 

[schneebly111]

Hundreds of Israeli medics are demanding an investigation in to this incident

By who? Israeli military will never find themselves at fault and they refuse to let in independent bodies into Gaza.

Those troops were under command of the notorious Israeli General Yehuda Vach, who’s getting a reputation for wanton destruction and reckless killings in Gaza:

IDF unit involved in Gaza paramedics’ killing was under command of brigade led by notorious Israeli general

Golani troops were under command of reservist armoured 14th Brigade, part of division led by Brig Gen Yehuda Vach

www.theguardian.com

The Hind Rajab Foundation Files ICC Complaint and Calls for Immediate Arrest of Brigadier General Yehuda Vach, Described as the Most Brutal IDF War Criminal.

The HRF filed a case with the ICC requesting the issuing of an arrest warrant for one of the IDF's most notorious war criminals. The name of Brigadier General Yehuda Vach, commander of the Israel...

www.hindrajabfoundation.org

 

[Kurve]

By who? Israeli military will never find themselves at fault and they refuse to let in independent bodies into Gaza.

The Palestinian Red Crescent Society is warning an Israeli military investigation into the killing of 15 paramedics and emergency responders in southern Gaza last month is flawed - demanding a totally independent inquiry be launched.

They're not going to get away with it. IMO. There will be more than one inquiry.

Demand for independent inquiry into aid worker deaths

Follow the latest news headlines from Australia's most trusted source. Read in-depth expert analysis and watch live coverage on ABC News.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DapperDon]

I think you may have some serious reading difficulties. Not worth responding to.

You're struggling with this one Jazny, I admire the commitment to the cause though.