Victorian Covid Outbreak 2021

[theyellowsash]

Or someone competent like Ticketek.

Not sure if you are serious about Ticketek....

websites which dont cope with traffic is nothing to do with competence. someone like ticketek knows that people will get on and buy the tickets anyway, and that everything will sell out whether the system works smoothly or not. they dont care if its the first person who logs on, or the 10th person because the 9 people before them couldnt buy a ticket because the system crashed. They make their money anyway, why waste money investing in bandwidth?

the times when its a problem is things like the census, where the government says everyone has to log on and do it at the same time, or else they'll fine you.

 

[kingswood71]

80 cases. 39 in iso for whole period.

 

[Bradkli]

terrible numbers today... so many still out in community whilst infectious.. 100+ in the ocming days unfortunately.. we will be locked down now until 80%+ vaccinated...hopefully before December

 

[Mitchell Madness]

terrible numbers today... so many still out in community whilst infectious.. 100+ in the ocming days unfortunately.. we will be locked down now until 80%+ vaccinated...hopefully before December

That's assuming they are symptomatic.
Tracers regard infectious as 3 days before testing positive. If you're asymptomatic, but have tested positive, you're regarded as being infectious in the community.
It's a flawed statistic without a further breakdown

 

[Rusty Brookes]

It would be great if one of the journalists that attends the Victorian press conference, instead of trying to get a gotcha moment, actually prompted the government for more information regarding the cases. For instance, although there were 41 in the community, what is the average number of days they've been out infectious in the community? Is that number coming down? Are the cases in the community aware of their risk? What occupations did these people have?

 

[The 747]

80 cases. 39 in iso for whole period.

 

[Gavin Excell]

terrible numbers today... so many still out in community whilst infectious.. 100+ in the ocming days unfortunately.. we will be locked down now until 80%+ vaccinated...hopefully before December

That's been clear for a while now
We are like NSW- will be lockdown until vacc rates get high enough.
Any other expectation is extremely ambitious and tending towards the delusional

 

[Kangapirate]

It would be great if one of the journalists that attends the Victorian press conference, instead of trying to get a gotcha moment, actually prompted the government for more information regarding the cases. For instance, although there were 41 in the community, what is the average number of days they've been out infectious in the community? Is that number coming down? Are the cases in the community aware of their risk? What occupations did these people have?

Pretty sure this was answered in yesterdays presser, that Kate lady said the average in this outbreak is 3 days, with numerous being 7-8 days as well.

 

[AFDogs]

We aren't driving this to 0. Time to hammer vaccinations and open up hospo.

We should be ready for this. We've had a year and a half to prepare.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

It would be great if one of the journalists that attends the Victorian press conference, instead of trying to get a gotcha moment, actually prompted the government for more information regarding the cases. For instance, although there were 41 in the community, what is the average number of days they've been out infectious in the community? Is that number coming down? Are the cases in the community aware of their risk? What occupations did these people have?

A child 'in the community' is different from an Uber driver or a tradie.

Case numbers are now borderline useless.

 

[AFDogs]

When do we make the transition to reporting deaths and people in hospital? Over this amount of cases business. Has no bearing anymore.

 

[HTT]

I don't think all hope is lost.
Today is 80 cases, 41 in the community, 13 under investigation.
Monday was 71 cases, 55 in the community, 22 under investigation. Clearly worse overall. Today suggests numbers are probably not going down significantly at the moment, but that doesn't mean they're going up significantly.

I think contact tracing is close to its limit though. We can't afford another Shepparton-like cluster, which hopefully the regional lockdown prevents. If cases do go up much further contact tracing may be only partially effective at best, then we'll be in trouble.

 

[HTT]

When do we make the transition to reporting deaths and people in hospital? Over this amount of cases business. Has no bearing anymore.

NSW hospitals are already under strain. So we are still at a phase where our hospitals are at risk. Cases are a leading indicator of hospitalisations - once the hospitalisations are noticeable, the case numbers have already condemned your hospitals to getting overwhelmed.

Once we get to a higher vaccination rate, our hospitals will not be likely to be overwhelmed so rapidly, then we don't need to rely on a leading indicator so heavily, then we will transition to reporting based mostly around hospitalisations/deaths.

 

[Sttew]

I don't think all hope is lost.
Today is 80 cases, 41 in the community, 13 under investigation.
Monday was 71 cases, 55 in the community, 22 under investigation. Clearly worse overall. Today suggests numbers are probably not going down significantly at the moment, but that doesn't mean they're going up significantly.

I think contact tracing is close to its limit though. We can't afford another Shepparton-like cluster, which hopefully the regional lockdown prevents. If cases do go up much further contact tracing may be only partially effective at best, then we'll be in trouble.

And we were told to expect numbers bouncing about

 

[HTT]

And we were told to expect numbers bouncing about

It's important to not get too wrapped up in each day's numbers, you'll just be riding an emotional roller coaster.

 

[HTT]

We aren't driving this to 0. Time to hammer vaccinations and open up hospo.

We should be ready for this. We've had a year and a half to prepare.

Sure we should be, but we aren't. We could've had 40 million Pfizer jabs in arms by now but the feds turned them down.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Sure we should be, but we aren't. We could've had 40 million Pfizer jabs in arms by now but the feds turned them down.

Nonsense.
Australia didn't have the facilities to accommodate Pfizer at the same rate as AZ.
The Feds made a choice to get any vaccine they could accommodate. The result was the AZ, which is manufactured in Melbourne.
Without the AZ we'd have even less vaccines available

 

[theyellowsash]

That's assuming they are symptomatic.
Tracers regard infectious as 3 days before testing positive. If you're asymptomatic, but have tested positive, you're regarded as being infectious in the community.
It's a flawed statistic without a further breakdown

How is that flawed? If people are asymptomatic its pretty reasonable to assume they wont have been isolating.

 

[HTT]

Nonsense.
Australia didn't have the facilities to accommodate Pfizer at the same rate as AZ.
The Feds made a choice to get any vaccine they could accommodate. The result was the AZ, which is manufactured in Melbourne.
Without the AZ we'd have even less vaccines available

Pfizer offered Australia 40 million doses to make us the example of how to rollout a vaccine. Similar deal to Israel.

 

[theyellowsash]

Nonsense.
Australia didn't have the facilities to accommodate Pfizer at the same rate as AZ.
The Feds made a choice to get any vaccine they could accommodate. The result was the AZ, which is manufactured in Melbourne.
Without the AZ we'd have even less vaccines available

no, they botched it completely. we had more than enough opportunity to get enough pfizer by now. but when other countries were sending their actual leader to talk to pfizer and juts buy everything they could, we were sending junior department staff and spending weeks trying to haggle with pfizer and other companies for a good deal.

 

[The Victorian]

I think we will get on top of this. Maybe an extension on a week to week basis to see if the situation has improved?

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Pfizer offered Australia 40 million doses to make us the example of how to rollout a vaccine. Similar deal to Israel.

Australia had no way of storing the 40million doses.
It's all well and good to get the doses, bit if they're going to be thrown out before they can be administered, what's the point?

 

[HTT]

Australia had no way of storing the 40million doses.
It's all well and good to get the doses, bit if they're going to be thrown out before they can be administered, what's the point?

Pfizer were going to make us the example of how to run a vaccination program - not just how to secure doses.

 

[theyellowsash]

Pfizer were going to make us the example of how to run a vaccination program - not just how to secure doses.

Theres your problem. using us as an example of a way to do new things is a flawed strategy. everyone in any position of management in this country is a stubborn buffoon locked into methods from 20 years ago because 'it worked then so why do things differently now?'

 

[Visions]

So after announcing a short sharp lockdown taking effect the day after one positive case, we find ourselves 4 weeks with cases climbing and people still out and about despite the raft of strict restrictions and curfews.

Andrews has lost control and isnt happy!

He needs to come clean and take the NSW approach and admit that the only way out of this lockdown is through reaching vaccination targets, and stop with this intermittent one week extensions.

However we all know that wont happen as it would be admitting failure and he cant have that after all the mud slinging he threw at the north.