Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Freomaniac]

That's a WA government issue. Our pubs open at 10am.

What's your thoughts on Noah Balta and his curfew punishment?

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

What was Baltas punishment?

A 10 pm to 6 am curfew. LoL

So he can't travel outside of Victoria. He can't play night games that go from 7pm to 10 pm.

Also.... If Balta played for a Victorian club, he essentially only plays one game every 2 weeks as he can't travel interstate.

But if he plays for a Victorian side, he could play up to 16 or 17 games a year.

If he played for North Melbourne, he would of played a lot of 1 pm Sunday games at Docklands LoL

*4:40pm Sunday

 

[Underarm]

What's your thoughts on Noah Balta and his curfew punishment?

What's it got to do with Vicbias?

 

[sr36]

What's it got to do with Vicbias?

If a Freo player king hit a player outside a pub and got a court order with a curfew it'd cost them more games. It's an outrage. How has the AFL let this happen?

 

[Grin]

You are a Richmond fan who's opinion I highly Valued and respected.

Your thoughts on the Noah Balta penalties?

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I’ve long held the opinion that magistrates don’t come down nearly as heavily on violent first offenders as they do on people living in poverty who have cheated Centrelink on one occasion.
Balta’s sanction is reasonable
No argument from me

 

[My_Username]

If a Freo player king hit a player outside a pub and got a court order with a curfew it'd cost them more games. It's an outrage. How has the AFL let this happen?

If an ordinary shift worker king hit someone outside a pub, I doubt they'd get a curfew that would significantly effect their ability to do their job. No curfew that would cause them to miss half their shifts and potentially cost them their job.

Given that, it's not unreasonable to infer that Balta's penalty was deliberately targeted to his employment and have the effect it will (miss a few games, but not risk his further employment).

If you accept that assumption, then it would also be reasonable to assume that if a non-vic player had done a similar thing and been penalised, the penalty would have similar effect (missing roughly the same number of games).


I'd also remind people that this penalty was imposed by a NSW judge. No vicbias involved. Indeed, if anything, there may even be a bit of GWS/NSW bias at play (Albury is in the GWS zone, and one of the matches he'll miss is the game against GWS).


edited to add: I hope we don't have any further examples to give us opportunity to compare and contrast.

 

[Mibie]

What was Baltas punishment?

A 10 pm to 6 am curfew. LoL

So he can't travel outside of Victoria. He can't play night games that go from 7pm to 10 pm.

Also.... If Balta played for a Victorian club, he essentially only plays one game every 2 weeks as he can't travel interstate.

But if he plays for a Victorian side, he could play up to 16 or 17 games a year.

If he played for North Melbourne, he would of played a lot of 1 pm Sunday games at Docklands LoL

You freo supporters are ******ed

 

[Freomaniac]

I’ve long held the opinion that magistrates don’t come down nearly as heavily on violent first offenders as they do on people living in poverty who have cheated Centrelink on one occasion.
Balta’s sanction is reasonable
No argument from me

I can relate to that. And yes I know what it is like to be on Centrelink lol

 

[We_The_West]

If a Freo player king hit a player outside a pub and got a court order with a curfew it'd cost them more games. It's an outrage. How has the AFL let this happen?

When Gaff slapped Brayshaw I think the AFL gave him 8 weeks in 2018 from memory?

The fact the AFL didn't intervene with the Balta case is classic Vic bias.

AFL should have taken a stand and banned him for the season for bringing the game into disrepute.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Two things need to be cleared up from this week.

Why is Balta's punishment being used as evidence of Vicbias? He was punished by a court system in NSW.

Why is Nash evidence of Vicbias. A month was an appropriate length of punishment for that hit.

Get a grip guys.

 

[We_The_West]

Two things need to be cleared up from this week.

Why is Balta's punishment being used as evidence of Vicbias? He was punished by a court system in NSW.

Why is Nash evidence of Vicbias. A month was an appropriate length of punishment for that hit.

Get a grip guys.

It's Balta's lack of punishment by the AFL that shows Vic bias.

Rule 1.6
Where the Commission is of the opinion that a person (or club) has contravened the provisions of the Memorandum or Articles of Association or the AFL Regulations or the AFL Player Rules or has been involved in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute, the Commission may deal with any such matter in such manner as the Commission in their absolute discretion think fit and without limiting their power they may:

(a) refer any matter to the Tribunal or other body or person appointed by the
Commission:
(b) appoint any person to inquire into any matter;
(c) conduct their own disciplinary inquiry into any matter; and/or
(d) impose a monetary sanction as provided in these Regulations/Player Rules

E.g.
In November 2007, Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins was charged with bringing the game into disrepute after a very public battle with drug addiction and his arrest in Perth.

Although police charges were withdrawn, Cousins was deregistered for a year but the AFL Commission allowed him to re-register for the 2009 season on the condition he agreed to a rigorous drug testing program and that an appropriate drug and alcohol management program was in place at any club with which he wished to resume his career.

Charges were laid... Balta plead guilty...

The Victorian Premier made multiple comments around how bad the situation looked and had been handled.

By the AFL not stepping in and taking a stand against violence (this is a king hit, not self defence), essentially sends the message that it condones violence against members of the public.

 

[sr36]

It's Balta's lack of punishment by the AFL that shows Vic bias.

Rule 1.6
Where the Commission is of the opinion that a person (or club) has contravened the provisions of the Memorandum or Articles of Association or the AFL Regulations or the AFL Player Rules or has been involved in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute, the Commission may deal with any such matter in such manner as the Commission in their absolute discretion think fit and without limiting their power they may:

(a) refer any matter to the Tribunal or other body or person appointed by the
Commission:
(b) appoint any person to inquire into any matter;
(c) conduct their own disciplinary inquiry into any matter; and/or
(d) impose a monetary sanction as provided in these Regulations/Player Rules

E.g.
In November 2007, Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins was charged with bringing the game into disrepute after a very public battle with drug addiction and his arrest in Perth.

Although police charges were withdrawn, Cousins was deregistered for a year but the AFL Commission allowed him to re-register for the 2009 season on the condition he agreed to a rigorous drug testing program and that an appropriate drug and alcohol management program was in place at any club with which he wished to resume his career.

Charges were laid... Balta plead guilty...

The Victorian Premier made multiple comments around how bad the situation looked and had been handled.

By the AFL not stepping in and taking a stand against violence (this is a king hit, not self defence), essentially sends the message that it condones violence against members of the public.

Is there anything you nutters don't call Vicbias.

WCE are shit. It's the club's own doing. Stop looking for external excuses

 

[RonnieRaven]

If an ordinary shift worker king hit someone outside a pub, I doubt they'd get a curfew that would significantly effect their ability to do their job. No curfew that would cause them to miss half their shifts and potentially cost them their job.

Given that, it's not unreasonable to infer that Balta's penalty was deliberately targeted to his employment and have the effect it will (miss a few games, but not risk his further employment).

If you accept that assumption, then it would also be reasonable to assume that if a non-vic player had done a similar thing and been penalised, the penalty would have similar effect (missing roughly the same number of games).


I'd also remind people that this penalty was imposed by a NSW judge. No vicbias involved. Indeed, if anything, there may even be a bit of GWS/NSW bias at play (Albury is in the GWS zone, and one of the matches he'll miss is the game against GWS).


edited to add: I hope we don't have any further examples to give us opportunity to compare and contrast.

I know someone who got a 12month curfew.
Had to be supervised by parents after 730pm or home he was a sparky and affected his work . Doing shut downs and call outs
The charges were proven to be false after a few court dates which took about 12 months
So an innocent man got a bigger curfew punishment than Coward
If you think this curfew is special or targeted your wrong.
Curfews are very common with most shithousery events that take place between the hours of the curfew commonly in place

 

[We_The_West]

Is there anything you nutters don't call Vicbias.

WCE are shit. It's the club's own doing. Stop looking for external excuses

The Balta case has nothing to do with WC's performance you goose. Go hit the bong

 

[Art Vandelay_]

It's Balta's lack of punishment by the AFL that shows Vic bias.

Rule 1.6
Where the Commission is of the opinion that a person (or club) has contravened the provisions of the Memorandum or Articles of Association or the AFL Regulations or the AFL Player Rules or has been involved in conduct which is unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the AFL or to bring the game of football into disrepute, the Commission may deal with any such matter in such manner as the Commission in their absolute discretion think fit and without limiting their power they may:

(a) refer any matter to the Tribunal or other body or person appointed by the
Commission:
(b) appoint any person to inquire into any matter;
(c) conduct their own disciplinary inquiry into any matter; and/or
(d) impose a monetary sanction as provided in these Regulations/Player Rules

E.g.
In November 2007, Brownlow medallist Ben Cousins was charged with bringing the game into disrepute after a very public battle with drug addiction and his arrest in Perth.

Although police charges were withdrawn, Cousins was deregistered for a year but the AFL Commission allowed him to re-register for the 2009 season on the condition he agreed to a rigorous drug testing program and that an appropriate drug and alcohol management program was in place at any club with which he wished to resume his career.

Charges were laid... Balta plead guilty...

The Victorian Premier made multiple comments around how bad the situation looked and had been handled.

By the AFL not stepping in and taking a stand against violence (this is a king hit, not self defence), essentially sends the message that it condones violence against members of the public.

1. It's two incidents 18 years apart with two separate AFL commissions and CEO's. Methods of practice can change over time.

2. Don't add the Vic premier thinking it adds weight, crime and lawlessness has soared under her watch. She should fix her own state instead of worrying about Balta.

 

[sr36]

The Balta case has nothing to do with WC's performance you goose.

Exactly. It also has nothing to do with Vicbias either. When has a player been deregistered for a fight outside footy.

The AFL not doing something they've never done before is Vicbias? Ridiculous.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Who said anything about more clubs in either state? I was thinking more about two teams in each state and one in each territory, ie. federalism. Reprentation of each state and proportionate represtation of terrorities, an Australian national competition that recognises our Constitutional Federation.

Soz for the late reply.

This sounds like a SOO type set up, there used to be something similar where clubs would play off for the title of 'national champion' so to speak, somewhere in the late 70s early 80s.

But the market (read the fans) didn't buy in.

State of origin was popular and the sentiment in growing now, but it won't be the be all and end all like SOO in the NRL is.

Quite simply, rugby league fans value SOO over the club competition, footy fans it's the other way round.

Your proposal would never gain enough traction to make it the be all and end all like it does for rugby league.

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

You'd be crying about Vic dominance.

Here's your reality, the two Vic teams would fly interstate 4 times more often than they currently do. At those games, they'd have a heap more crowd support than they currently have at interstate games. There's a reason why Collingwood's record on the road is good - more fans in the crowd.

In return they'd get 5 or 6 more home games against travelling teams than they currently do - in a completely packed, ridiculously hostile enlarged MCG.

Then in terms of players - the two Vic teams would get all the Vic go home kids - for cheaper due to less competition bidding up salary. Then add in that the Vic players earning potential outside the salary cap would go through the roof with only two teams and such a large footy market. Salaries in general would be lower. Their teams would be stacked.

"Here's your reality" WUT?

All you have done here is add your unicorns and dragons into our wishes and dreams!

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

You do have to get creative with excuses when you barrack for Freo.

Collingwood have never had a reason for an excuse, they get everything they cry for!

#VICBIAS

 

[sr36]

"Here's your reality" WUT?

All you have done here is add your unicorns and dragons into our wishes and dreams!

Dreams are right. You and several others in this thread have created some bizarre fantasy world where travel rather being the best team is the biggest predictor of success in the AFL.

If you levelled everything - equal clubs in each state would create an environment where the Vic teams would be much more likely to be the best teams.

 

[Rich01]

WA teams having to play away games before 12pm WST and Vic teams hardly ever playing a true night game in WA is #VICBIAS.

What sort of moron would schedule a game in Perth that starts at 930pm for their main viewing audience?

The bleating about scenarios that are truly impractical is hilarious.

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

Dreams are right. You and several others in this thread have created some bizarre fantasy world where travel rather being the best team is the biggest predictor of success in the AFL.

If you levelled everything - equal clubs in each state would create an environment where the Vic teams would be much more likely to be the best teams.

738 posts from 4996, you are Mayor Quimby in this fantasy world!

 

[Pistol Night]

Collingwood have never had a reason for an excuse, they get everything they cry for!

#VICBIAS

I’m sensing a touch of bias in your comments judging by your username

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

I’m sensing a touch of bias in your comments judging by your username

You need your sensors recalibrated!

 

[Rich01]

When Gaff slapped Brayshaw I think the AFL gave him 8 weeks in 2018 from memory?

The fact the AFL didn't intervene with the Balta case is classic Vic bias.

AFL should have taken a stand and banned him for the season for bringing the game into disrepute.

WA police should have charged him with assault with the same penalty applied to Balta.