NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 4

[Kurve]

Here is PART 3

Donald Trump was sworn in as president of the United States on Monday 20th January, 2025 in Washington DC.

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[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

So, a deal years in the making?

Well done Biden?

Dealt with this idea earlier in the thread when MM ran with it.

#2,873

 

[Stokey]

I come in here for a laugh, thank you for supplying them.

You could resicprocate once in a while.

 

[Jamolad]

Hyundai announces $21bn US investment as Trump tariffs loom

South Korean carmaker plans to create 14,000 full-time jobs and expand links with US firms on tech including AI

www.theguardian.com

You link an article about a deal negotiated last year between Hyundai and Louisiana where they agreed terms in December.

And same article also states: "Carmakers have been heavily lobbying the White House to not impose massive new tariffs on imported autos and parts. The General Motors chief executive, Mary Barra, met Trump earlier this month and told him the carmaker wanted to invest $60bn in the US but raised concerns about uncertainty over tariff policies."

Were you supporting his post or trying to debunk it?

 

[Lady O]

Anyway we're a long way form the original meme which was talking about Democrat mismanagement of Detroit. It was very disheartening to see the absolute wasteland around the factory and several streets surrounding it. Looks like a war zone. The City not bothering much with basic maintenance I see.

Apparently it's been abandoned since 1958, (a period where Republicans held the seat). so I don't think your argument about the mayors is correct either:

"Did Democrats and Democratic policies play some role in the fall of Detroit? Surely they did. Every Detroit mayor since 1962 has been a Democrat, after all. But Republicans held the seat for the 12 years prior to that, from 1950 through 1961. The Packard plant whose hollowed-out remains were displayed above closed its doors during that time.

Whatever blame is to be allotted to politicians must be shared by both Democrats and Republicans on the national level, as well. Detroit's decline since World War II took place during periods when both parties held the presidency and/or controlled Congress."

 

[Mofra]

Government spending explosion under Trump. Again.

Elon Musk's Government Efficiency Push Falls Short As Treasury Data Shows Spending Up Sharply Since Trump's Inauguration: Report

Despite Elon Musk's claims that the Department of Government Efficiency has saved $150 billion, federal spending under Trump's second term has increased by $154 billion, driven largely by rising entitlement costs and debt interest payments, with limited short-term impact from DOGE's cuts.

www.benzinga.com

 

[Ghost Patrol]

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Mate, that is art. Should be heritage listed.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

You link an article about a deal negotiated last year between Hyundai and Louisiana where they agreed terms in December.

And same article also states: "Carmakers have been heavily lobbying the White House to not impose massive new tariffs on imported autos and parts. The General Motors chief executive, Mary Barra, met Trump earlier this month and told him the carmaker wanted to invest $60bn in the US but raised concerns about uncertainty over tariff policies."

Were you supporting his post or trying to debunk it?

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[FireKrakouer]

But yeah lets cant immigration I wonder who will pick the crops,work in slaughter yards,cheap construction,
Nursing homes the list is endless.

From Fox News:


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She's done picking cotton but she wants others to do it? Indentured servitude and slavery are fine so long as its some other ethnic group? IOW, "I'm not against slavery, I just want new slaves."

It's OK Jasmine. I'm pretty sure cotton has been picked by machine for at least a few decades.

It's surprising to see the left adopting what was once a classic right-wing talking point: that the US needs an underclass of exploited foreign labourers to do all the undesirable jobs. That argument, which used to be rightly condemned as xenophobic and dehumanising, is now being repeated as if it’s some enlightened truth. But here's a simple free-market solution: raise wages and improve working conditions for those jobs and, surprise, American citizens will start filling them.

The predictable follow-up (another recycled right-wing talking point that would make Murdoch proud) is “But that’ll increase the cost of living!” The same people obsessed with social justice are now arguing we need a system of modern-day indentured labour to keep prices low. As if the problem is farm workers and janitors asking for a living wage, not the billions blown on forever-wars, subscription-service covid vaccines, bloated bureaucracy etc.

The tariffs might sting a bit in the short term, but they’re a strategic masterstroke. If you haven’t read Hillbilly Elegy, I highly recommend it, it really illustrates the positive impact JDV is having on Trump’s push to bring manufacturing back home. There was a time when a single factory job could support a family, a house in the suburbs, and two cars. Now, many on the left are seriously suggesting we abandon our allegiance with the US “because fascism” and throw our lot in instead with a one-party authoritarian surveillance state that runs concentration camps, uses child labour, and slashes environmental and safety regulations to keep prices low.

Had it been Bernie spruiking these same policies, they'd be all on board m8.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Apparently it's been abandoned since 1958, (a period where Republicans held the seat). so I don't think your argument about the mayors is correct either:

"Did Democrats and Democratic policies play some role in the fall of Detroit? Surely they did. Every Detroit mayor since 1962 has been a Democrat, after all. But Republicans held the seat for the 12 years prior to that, from 1950 through 1961. The Packard plant whose hollowed-out remains were displayed above closed its doors during that time.

Whatever blame is to be allotted to politicians must be shared by both Democrats and Republicans on the national level, as well. Detroit's decline since World War II took place during periods when both parties held the presidency and/or controlled Congress."

So in answer to my point that we'd moved a long way from discussing the subject of the meme - the mismanagement of Detroit in general - you're back setting your sights on the Packard factory? The Packard factory wasn't abandoned in 1958 incidentally. They stopped producing at the Detroit site in 1956 and continued at another site in Indiana until 1958. After Packard moved it's production to Indiana, the Detroit buildings were used by various companies to run furniture stores, a job training center, chemical processing, a storage facility as well as other office and commercial uses.

Most of the site was abandoned in 1999 with the closure of the 'Motor City Industrial Complex'.

 

[Jamolad]

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Read it. And?

This HSC deal just announced was negotiated late last year and they agreed terms in December.

Even the article you just posted includes "The Louisiana governor, Jeff Landry, had travelled to South Korea in October and met Hyundai to discuss the investment plan." Not Georgia, this is referring to the HSC plant in Louisiana.

Initially I wasn't sure if you were trying to support or debunk Jatz's post - but does this mean you posted that article today to correct your earlier post #2873?

 

[Lady O]

So in answer to my point that we'd moved a long way from discussing the subject of the meme - the mismanagement of Detroit in general - you're back setting your sights on the Packard factory? The Packard factory wasn't abandoned in 1958 incidentally. They stopped producing at the Detroit site in 1956 and continued at another site in Indiana until 1958. After Packard moved it's production to Indiana, the Detroit buildings were used by various companies to run furniture stores, a job training center, chemical processing, a storage facility as well as other office and commercial uses.

Most of the site was abandoned in 1999 with the closure of the 'Motor City Industrial Complex'.

Ok, well the meme is what I'm commenting on.

So the photo supposedly showing Hiroshima in 2010, is apparently Yokohama, Japan.

The other photo supposedly depicting Detroit in its mid-1940s heyday, except that it was taken in the mid-1930s. It's an aerial view of Navin Field (later Tiger Stadium), so two entirely different buildings.

Quite interesting that you would use a fake meme and fake information to back it up.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Read it. And?

This HSC deal just announced was negotiated late last year and they agreed terms in December.

Even the article you just posted includes "The Louisiana governor, Jeff Landry, had travelled to South Korea in October and met Hyundai to discuss the investment plan." Not Georgia, this is referring to the HSC plant in Louisiana.

Initially I wasn't sure if you were trying to support or debunk Jatz's post - but does this mean you posted that article today to correct your earlier post #2873?

Certainly not. I'd posted that article earlier in this thread on 27/3.

Yes the Louisiana governor Jeff Landry went to South Korea at the end of October (1 week prior to 2024 election). He's a Republican governor and is fully supportive of Trump's tariffs.

As an aside the Hyundai Chairman made it clear recently that Hyundai decided to invest in the Georgia plant after Trump's Seoul visit in 2019.

Euisun Chung: "And this week, we are also proud to open our new $8 billion auto plant in Georgia. With this, our US vehicle production will exceed one million units per year, as the president mentioned. Our decision to invest in Savannah, Georgia, creating more than 8,500 American jobs was initiated during my meeting with President Trump in Seoul in 2019."

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Ok, well the meme is what I'm commenting on.

So the photo supposedly showing Hiroshima in 2010, is apparently Yokohama, Japan.

The other photo supposedly depicting Detroit in its mid-1940s heyday, except that it was taken in the mid-1930s. It's an aerial view of Navin Field (later Tiger Stadium), so two entirely different buildings.

 

[Jamolad]

Certainly not. I'd posted that article earlier in this thread on 27/3.

Yes the Louisiana governor Jeff Landry went to South Korea at the end of October (1 week prior to 2024 election). He's a Republican governor and is fully supportive of Trump's tariffs.

As an aside the Hyundai Chairman made it clear recently that Hyundai decided to invest in the Georgia plant after Trump's Seoul visit in 2019.

Euisun Chung: "And this week, we are also proud to open our new $8 billion auto plant in Georgia. With this, our US vehicle production will exceed one million units per year, as the president mentioned. Our decision to invest in Savannah, Georgia, creating more than 8,500 American jobs was initiated during my meeting with President Trump in Seoul in 2019."

Ok...so no examples of new investment driven by Trump's tariffs then?

Just an article talking about a deal negotiated and agreed months before the tariffs (you do know the negotiations started well before Landry went to Korea in October, yeah)?

Sorry, not just that...article also says that GM wants to invest $60b in the US but is hesitant because of his tariff policy.

So any new investment as a direct result of tariff policy? Any that outweigh the $60b that GM are holding back literally due uncertainty about the ever-changing tariff policy (what is the tariff policy now, as I have not checked in the last 2 hours)?

 

[Lady O]

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Hiroshima vs. Detroit

Circulating images purport to compare the effects of urban decay in Detroit with the destruction of Hiroshima, Japan by an atomic bomb during World War II.

www.snopes.com

Misleading: Detroit vs. Hiroshima Photo Comparisons

A much shared image on Facebook claims to show a comparison between the revitalization of Hiroshima after the atomic bombing of 1945, and the decline of Detroit since 1945. However, it's not at all hard to find recent photos of Detroit that very closely resemble the "Hiroshima" photo, for...

www.metabunk.org

Wikipedia is also a good source of information about the fall of Packard.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Just an article talking about a deal negotiated and agreed months before the tariffs (you do know the negotiations started well before Landry went to Korea in October, yeah)?

I read something on that but I'd LOVE to see what meets your definition of "well before". So cite away.

The Georgia plant investment was precipitated by a tariff proposed in Trump's first term and the South Korean media views the Louisiana investment as a way for Hyundai to navigate around Trump's tariffs.

Hyundai Motor Group has pledged $21 billion in new investments in the United States over the next three years — its largest-ever commitment there — as the carmaker seeks to navigate the Trump administration’s intensified tariff policies.

Lee Ho-geun, a car engineering professor at Daeduk University, offered a more positive outlook, saying, “Trump seems to suggest that Korean-made vehicles will also be exempt from tariffs. In Trump’s first term, he proposed a 25 percent tariff, which was withdrawn after Hyundai committed to building a US plant.”

Trump touts Hyundai Motor's $21b investment

Korean auto giant pledges largest-ever expansion plan in US Hyundai Motor Group has pledged $21 billion in new investments in the United States over the next three years — its largest-ever commitment there — as the carmaker seeks to navigate the Trump administration’s intensified tariff...

www.koreaherald.com

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Hiroshima vs. Detroit

Circulating images purport to compare the effects of urban decay in Detroit with the destruction of Hiroshima, Japan by an atomic bomb during World War II.

www.snopes.com

Misleading: Detroit vs. Hiroshima Photo Comparisons

A much shared image on Facebook claims to show a comparison between the revitalization of Hiroshima after the atomic bombing of 1945, and the decline of Detroit since 1945. However, it's not at all hard to find recent photos of Detroit that very closely resemble the "Hiroshima" photo, for...

www.metabunk.org

Thanks. I'll have a read. Always hesitant when it comes to Snopes fact-checks though because I've seen them make some absolutely shocking errors.

 

[Jamolad]

I read something on that but I'd LOVE to see what meets your definition of "well before". So cite away.

The Georgia plant investment was precipitated by a tariff proposed in Trump's first term and the South Korean media views the Louisiana investment as a way for Hyundai to navigate around Trump's tariffs.

Trump touts Hyundai Motor's $21b investment

Korean auto giant pledges largest-ever expansion plan in US Hyundai Motor Group has pledged $21 billion in new investments in the United States over the next three years — its largest-ever commitment there — as the carmaker seeks to navigate the Trump administration’s intensified tariff...

www.koreaherald.com

There were rumours of it on motoring forums like Jalopnik back in July, so obviously negotiations started before then.

Are you saying you think it took only 6 weeks to go from nothing to agreed terms on a multi-billion dollar, multi-national infrastructure deal involving several government agencies, incentive packages, development subsidies (including $100m from LED), tax incentives, and environmental and zoning approvals?

And you're saying that $21b deal negates the $60b of investment that GM are holding back due to uncertainty re Trump's policies (GM's exact words)?

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

There were rumours of it on motoring forums like Jalopnik back in July, so obviously negotiations started before then.

Oh there were rumours were there? Well that's all you need. Ironclad proof that the negotiations must have, definitely and of course, started before said rumours.

Are you saying you think it took only 6 weeks to go from nothing to agreed terms on a multi-billion dollar, multi-national infrastructure deal involving several government agencies, incentive packages, development subsidies (including $100m from LED), tax incentives, and environmental and zoning approvals?

I haven't given prescriptive timeframes on it at all. I merely responded to your initial characterisation.

 

[Jamolad]

Oh there were rumours were there? Well that's all you need. Ironclad proof that the negotiations must have, definitely and of course, started before said rumours.



I haven't given prescriptive timeframes on it at all. I merely responded to your initial characterisation.

I mean the rumours proved correct didn't they?

And yes, you haven't given prescriptive timeframes. I asked if you think it was put together in 6 weeks, starting from Landy going to Korea in October until agreement in December - you won't give your timeframe, you just want to disagree with mine?

So what is your timeline? If it helps, feel free to manually type timestamps at the start of each line like you're talking to a journo on Signal.

Your thoughts on GM holding back $60b of investment in the US due to their uncertainty re Trump's tariff policies? That is literally the reason they gave.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

I mean the rumours proved correct didn't they?

Not sure really. So far I've only heard a rumour they exist in the first place.

And yes, you haven't given prescriptive timeframes. I asked if you think it was put together in 6 weeks, starting from Landy going to Korea in October until agreement in December - you won't give your timeframe, you just want to disagree with mine?

No just trying to narrow down exactly what your timeframe is since that's partly what you're relying on to prove your argument that all the credit should go to Biden.

If it helps, feel free to manually type timestamps at the start of each line like you're talking to a journo on Signal

LOL. Hi bourbons. I knew it was you. Do you only use Carlton bennys?

 

[Frank Bunn]

I noticed the water tower but there's plenty of those around in the US. Doesn't really help. The water tower got demolished last year. Anyway Building 9 never had those 45 degree angle abutments I referred to earlier in all the pictures of it I can find.



Anyway we're a long way form the original meme which was talking about Democrat mismanagement of Detroit. It was very disheartening to see the absolute wasteland around the factory and several streets surrounding it. Looks like a war zone. The City not bothering much with basic maintenance I see.

I had a Streetview drive around the suburbs near to the dilapidated Packard factory. There's a real mixture of well maintained houses and some absolute shocking streets.

 

[Satan]

Yeah Naah

Fox News on Instagram: ""Lord Jesus, please give us the strength..." Just before stepping into her media briefing, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt bows her head in prayer. 🙏"

178K likes, 15K comments - foxnews on April 11, 2025: ""Lord Jesus, please give us the strength..." Just before stepping into her media briefing, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt bows her head in prayer. 🙏".

www.instagram.com

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Yeah Naah

Fox News on Instagram: ""Lord Jesus, please give us the strength..." Just before stepping into her media briefing, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt bows her head in prayer. 🙏"

178K likes, 15K comments - foxnews on April 11, 2025: ""Lord Jesus, please give us the strength..." Just before stepping into her media briefing, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt bows her head in prayer. 🙏".

www.instagram.com

Apart from using the first person plural (a bit like the royal 'we') I couldn't see much wrong with it. Then again if others were going to speak with her from the podium after or before her, then even my quibble falls away.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]