NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

How long before Musk & Trump have a major rift?

  • Under one month

  • Under six months

  • Under one year

  • Under two years

  • Before the term ends

  • Not happening, never!

  • Not until Musk is ready to seize the Presidency

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CM86 said:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/10/nx-s1-5252473/elon-musk-germany-election-afd-candidate-alice-weidel

Roughly 200,000 users logged onto the social media platform X on Thursday to listen to the world's richest man court Alice Weidel, the chancellor candidate for the far-right Alternative for Germany party.​
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Elon Musk's recent endorsement of the party, known by its German initials AfD, and Thursday's heavily publicized livestreamed chat have infuriated Germany's other political parties as they campaign for elections slated for Feb. 23.​
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After working to help elect Donald Trump, and gaining a new role over U.S. government efficiency, tech billionaire Musk has gone on a tear on X criticizing and insulting European leaders — from the United Kingdom to Germany, France and others — causing alarm among politicians, while winning applause from some including Italy's prime minister.​
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He then issued a warning to the German electorate: "People really need to get behind the AfD. Otherwise, things are going to get very much worse in Germany."​
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Germany's domestic intelligence agency has put the AfD — a party known for hardline stances against immigration and Islam — under surveillance for suspected right-wing extremism, which the party denies. Figures in the party have been accused of using Nazi slogans in speeches and downplaying the Holocaust.​

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You guys think MAGA is far right don't you?
 
Bostonian said:
But by doing their jobs you excuse them all of their obvious bias in doing those jobs.
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Yes mate, any and all efforts to hold the man to some kind of account for
  • creating fake elector slates
  • pressuring state reps to find enough votes to flip states
  • showing classified docs to randoms while musing about how he could have declassified them when he was prez but can't now
can safely be dismissed as 'bias', good one.

Just for shits and giggles, what do you suggest be done about the confirmed facts above? Absolutely nothing? Eagles squibbed this earlier, maybe you'll have better luck?

Bostonian said:
We know there's a bias in the FBI and CIA. There's no point arguing there's not.
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Say there is. Does that mean someone who has broken the law can never be prosecuted for it?

This will be genuinely interesting.
 
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Kash Patel’s enemies list:

Michael Atkinson (former inspector general of the intelligence community)
Lloyd Austin (defense secretary under President Joe Biden)
Brian Auten (supervisory intelligence analyst, FBI)
James Baker (not the former secretary of state; this James Baker is former general counsel for the FBI and former deputy general counsel at Twitter)
Bill Barr (former attorney general under Trump)
John Bolton (former national security adviser under Trump)
Stephen Boyd (former chief of legislative affairs, FBI)
Joe Biden (president of the United States)
John Brennan (former CIA director under President Barack Obama)
John Carlin (acting deputy attorney general, previously ran DOJ’s national security division under Trump)
Eric Ciaramella (former National Security Council staffer, Obama and Trump administrations)
Pat Cippolone (former White House counsel under Trump)
James Clapper (Obama’s director of national intelligence)
Hillary Clinton (former secretary of state and presidential candidate)
James Comey (former FBI director)
Elizabeth Dibble (former deputy chief of mission, U.S. Embassy, London)
Mark Esper (former secretary of defense under Trump)
Alyssa Farah (former director of strategic communications under Trump)
Evelyn Farkas (former deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine, Eurasia under Obama)
Sarah Isgur Flores (former DOJ head of communications under Trump)
Merrick Garland (attorney general under Biden)
Stephanie Grisham (former press secretary under Trump)
Kamala Harris (vice president under Biden; former presidential candidate)
Gina Haspel (CIA director under Trump)
Fiona Hill (former staffer on the National Security Council)
Curtis Heide (FBI agent)
Eric Holder (former attorney general under Obama)*
Robert Hur (special counsel who investigated Biden over mishandling of classified documents)
Cassidy Hutchinson (aide to Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows)
Nina Jankowicz (former executive director, Disinformation Governance Board, under Biden)
Lois Lerner (former IRS director under Obama)
Loretta Lynch (former attorney general under Obama)
Charles Kupperman (former deputy national security adviser under Trump)
Gen. Kenneth Mackenzie, retired (former commander of United States Central Command)
Andrew McCabe (former FBI deputy director under Trump)
Ryan McCarthy (former secretary of the Army under Trump)
Mary McCord (former acting assistant attorney general for national security under Obama)
Denis McDonough (former chief of staff for Obama, secretary of veterans affairs under Biden)
Gen. Mark Milley, retired (former chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Lisa Monaco (deputy attorney general under Biden)
Sally Myer (former supervisory attorney, FBI)
Robert Mueller (former FBI director, special counsel for Russiagate)
Bruce Ohr (former associate deputy attorney general under Obama and Trump)
Nellie Ohr (wife of Bruce Ohr and former CIA employee)
Lisa Page (former legal counsel for Deputy Director Andrew McCabe at FBI under Obama and Trump; exchanged texts about Trump with Peter Strzok)
Pat Philbin (former deputy White House counsel under Trump)
John Podesta (former counselor to Obama; senior adviser to Biden on climate policy)
Samatha Power (former ambassador to the United Nations under Obama, administrator of AID under Biden)
Bill Priestap (former assistant director for counterintelligence, FBI, under Obama)
Susan Rice (former national security adviser under Obama, director of the Domestic Policy Council under Biden)
Rod Rosenstein (former deputy attorney general under Trump)
Peter Strzok (former deputy assistant director for counterintelligence, FBI, under Obama and Trump; exchanged texts about Trump with Lisa Page)
Jake Sullivan (national security adviser under President Joe Biden)
Michael Sussman (former legal representative, Democratic National Committee)
Miles Taylor (former DHS official under Trump; penned New York Times op-ed critical of Trump under the byline, “Anonymous”)
Timothy Thibault (former assistant special agent, FBI)
Andrew Weissman (Mueller’s deputy in Russiagate probe)
Alexander Vindman (former National Security Council director for European affairs)
Christopher Wray (FBI director under Trump and Biden; Trump nominated Patel to replace him even though Wray’s term doesn’t expire until August 2027)
Sally Yates (former deputy attorney general under Obama and, briefly, acting attorney general under Trump)
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
Okaaaay, let's say that's EXACTLY why he did it. :rolleyesv1: Now what?
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Now you're getting it :thumbsu:

ie. now what? **** all.

Well, except for mocking people who somehow want to pretend the thing on the left is nothing like the thing on the right, and that the richest and one of the smartest people on the planet honestly had no idea he might have been approximating what he was. That mocking should definitely continue :tearsofjoy:

 
CM86 said:
Kash Patel’s enemies list:
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How many of this list were part of that group swearing the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian misinformation, the reason social media blocked the story being propagated in 2020?

If it's a significant number, then they aren't Patel's enemies, they are enemies of a free press and the American people.
 
bourbons said:
  • Subpoena issued to retrieve the rest in May 2022
  • Trump gives back more docs and attests in writing that none remain in his custody in June 2022
  • Search warrant is executed and more docs found in August 2022

    Yep, seems like it was pretty necessary :thumbsu:

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Can't see the justification for the move from subpoenas to a raid with a search warrant for a former President. I guess you also believe the imminent mid-terms played no role in all of this. 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Taylor said:
If the action doesn't represent something and the movement is the problem, then it's not an issue at all.

Nobody would care about this at all if there wasn't an associated implication that you're avoiding like you think Gethelred will hunt you down and demand you prove it.
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The point is, that no authoritarian regime that was as 'successful' as the most notable ones were, ever clearly stated their end goals.
It was always a way to imply it with deniability.

So when you ask why they don't just outright say 'it' etc. You know why.

What you want is a discussion where 'my side' has to prove the future outcomes of Trump/Musk to be the same as previous authoritarians. But we have to use their current position and apply it to the final position of camps and genocide etc.


Until you can admit that there is a large portion of Trumps base that is neo-Nazis, christo-fascists and ethnic nationalists, who support him because they believe he will help them achieve their goals, then how can we actually discuss actions and symbolism?
 
CM86 said:
Until you can admit that there is a large portion of Trumps base that is neo-Nazis, christo-fascists and ethnic nationalists, who support him because they believe he will help them achieve their goals, then how can we actually discuss actions and symbolism?
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I think you need to prove this and perhaps first define what you mean by "large portion", then each of those groups you've labelled there for no confusion.
 

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bourbons said:
How long should they have sent polite letters and subpoenas he pretended to comply with mate? 5 years? 10?
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Probably just a couple of times. Then wait a few months until just before the midterms, get a search warrant, load up the grunts with a photographer into the vans and point them towards Mar-a-Lago. :rolleyesv1:
 
HitTheNailOnTheHead said:
Probably just a couple of times. Then wait a few months until just before the midterms. Then BAM obtain a search warrant, load up the grunts with a photographer into the vans and point them towards Mar-a-Lago.
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So you won't engage honestly and nominate timeframe you think reasonable? Massive surprise, there's those true colours again :tearsofjoy:

"Photographer", lol. Its like you guys had never seen a police bust photo before 2022 :drunk:
 
Taylor said:
If it's a significant number, then they aren't Patel's enemies, they are enemies of a free press and the American people.
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Enemies of the people. That's strong rhetoric.
Imagine an incoming DOJ with a list, under the Democrats?

Look at the response to Alvin Bragg.

Taylor said:
How many of this list were part of that group swearing the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian misinformation, the reason social media blocked the story being propagated in 2020?
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CM86 said:
OK.

And what investigations, courts, judges, proceedings etc will you trust to show that a crime was committed and then that the conviction was justified?

New ones created under Trump, or the existing ones?
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We're told we can't trust a judge and jury overseeing one of Trumps cases, because their daughter was involved with the Democrats in some way. Or donated or something.


But we can support a DoJ appointment from Trump, with an enemies list.

Involvement in Trump documents investigation (2021 - 2022)​
The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) found in 2021 that Trump had taken presidential documents with him to his home in Florida after leaving office. After Trump returned some documents, NARA found others were still missing, including some that were highly classified. NARA referred the matter to the FBI, and after requests and a subpoena to return the documents went unheeded, the FBI entered Trump's home under a search warrant to retrieve them. Patel publicly asserted that Trump had declassified broad sets of sensitive documents before leaving the White House. In October 2022, Patel was summoned to testify before a federal grand jury investigating the matter, but he declined to answer questions by invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Patel was represented in the matter by lawyer Stanley Woodward.[57][58] The Justice Department sought unsuccessfully to persuade a federal judge to compel Patel's testimony. Justice Department prosecutors granted him limited immunity from prosecution, after which Patel testified on November 4, 2022.[58][59]​


This isn't logical. But it feels that way to people who support it.
 
bourbons said:
So you won't engage honestly and nominate timeframe you think reasonable? Massive surprise, there's those true colours again :tearsofjoy:
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I gave your hyperbolic sarcastic post the respect it deserved. If you can't see the imminent midterms as possibly playing any role whatsoever then what is the point of reasoning with you? One reason Biden wasn't going to be prosecuted was because he would present to a jury as an elderly man "with a poor memory" according to Hur. If you can't see a pattern of protecting the Biden's at all costs while persecuting Trump might lead some to conclude a two tier justice system was in play, we might as well end this discussion here.
 
HitTheNailOnTheHead said:
I gave your hyperbolic sarcastic post the respect it deserved. If you can't see the imminent midterms as possibly playing any role whatsoever then what is the point of reasoning with you? One reason Biden wasn't going to be prosecuted was because he would present to a jury as an elderly man "with a poor memory" according to Hur. If you can't see a pattern of protecting the Biden's at all costs while persecuting Trump might lead some to conclude a two tier justice system was in play, we might as well end this discussion here.
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Yes, lets.

Trump is possibly the biggest beneficiary of the two tier justice system in living memory. If he wasn't who he is the cases would have been run and done years ago. And he would have been found very, very guilty.
 
CM86 said:
Enemies of the people. That's strong rhetoric.
Imagine an incoming DOJ with a list, under the Democrats?

Look at the response to Alvin Bragg.
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Federal agents working for the people knowingly engaging in misinformation to distort an election has to be labelled something, so enemy of the people is fitting.

I didn't call them traitors. Just that the people they serve aren't the people they ultiamtely
 
FlowersByIrene said:
I honestly can't take anyone seriously on an intellectual level who genuinely thinks J6 was an insurrection.
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Exactly.

Interesting that Pelosi never got pardoned. Probably payback for stabbing Joe in the back. I think she could be in trouble at some point.

What most have forgotten about what happened at the Capitol was that a lot of the evidence of fraud that was going to be heard that day got shut down and most objecting senators/congress reps dropped their objections to ratifying the result after the violence erupted. This was evidence that wasn't going to be able to be waved away like some courts later did when they blamed 'standing', or laches and it was evidence the Democrats had a vested interest in not being heard. Whether people believe it was a false flag operation or a peaceful protest led astray, or a combination of the two matters little really. The end result is still the same and it's undeniable it was the Democrats that stood to gain from what happened. By itself that doesn't mean much, but when you pair it with some of Pelosi's questionable actions and the sure to come revelations from interviews of recently released J6 participants, she has to be a bit concerned.
 

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