NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

[Kurve]

Here is US Politics Pt 2

The 2024 US presidential election is on Tuesday, 5 November 2024. The winner will serve a term of four years in the White House, starting in January 2025.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

In the sense I think they are linked and you gotta stop one to stop the other. I also think somethings are easier to solve then others too so in that sense you gotta realise problems rate differently

I think Net Zero is a giant cause of slave labour, in particular with its supply chain. I think stopping that has to occur before slave labour can be tackled as a whole. Id like to end slave labour as number 1 but its a mammoth task. You cant really prioritise something that will take decades to end

you don't think that consumer culture has been a primary cause of slave labour all along and subsequently we just use the same means with whatever new turns up? Either way, you make a far better conversationalist than EasternTiger and it's nice to see them replaced.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

you don't think that consumer culture has been a primary cause of slave labour all along and subsequently we just use the same means with whatever new turns up? Either way, you make a far better conversationalist than EasternTiger and it's nice to see them replaced.

100% no. The drive for profit is the cause. People can only buy what is on the shelves and dont control what is there as much as people think they do. A lot of it also comes down to media manipulation too, largely from omission of information.

Apple is the best example of this. They are actually anti net-zero and promote being carbon neutral instead as the alternative. Apple supply chain issues are being fixed via dedicated coal powered stations. In 2020 they went renewable and have backed out since well it failed. No company in the world is doing more to fight against net zero then Apple but for the most part alot of climate protesters are walking around with Apple phones. If consumer culture was important I dont think Apple take this route myself and do so with the level of success they have done.

They have people buying their products regardless of their personal beliefs and when its all said and done thats been a winning move for them

If you want to be a pro net-zero person you MUST own a Google Pixel. Doing anything but is absurd. You are basically telling me I should change my entire life to achieve this goal when you cant even change the operating system of your mobile phone

 

[EasternTiger]

Not long now until Homan takes control of the border.

After 4 years of insane nonsense, it will be great to have the adults in charge again.

I will never forget Karine’s “let me be very clear,” not understanding a word Biden said, and of course Kamala’s absence of a functioning brain.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Spooky

Sounds like Mossad have been busy hey Lebbo73

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not long now until Homan takes control of the border.

After 4 years of insane nonsense, it will be great to have the adults in charge again.

I will never forget Karine’s “let me be very clear,” not understanding a word Biden said, and of course Kamala’s absence of a functioning brain.

Its a bigger win then people here want to admit. Its rare to earn power in a landslide and then have the ability to export voters out of the country thereafter

The catchup the Dems need to do from here is unlike anything we have seen in our lifetimes. Its very realistic to suggest Homan sends out 2-3% of Dems voting base back home . Add that to the loss they already have and to me its almost like JD Vance will waltz in on 2029 to his new role as President.

 

[EasternTiger]

Its a bigger win then people here want to admit. Its rare to earn power in a landslide and then have the ability to export voters out of the country thereafter

The catchup the Dems need to do from here is unlike anything we have seen in our lifetimes. Its very realistic to suggest Homan sends out 2-3% of Dems voting base back home . Add that to the loss they already have and to me its almost like JD Vance will waltz in on 2029 to his new role as President.

Great post. Articulated my personal analysis of the situation far better than my right wing brain ever could.

The dems aren’t capable of self correcting and we could indeed enjoy an extended era of republican presidents.

Let me run something past you mate. I would deport all with criminal records etc that goes without saying. However, if the remainder of the illegals could be ‘encouraged’ to vote republican going forward, and allowed to stay in the us, would that be the ultimate troll?

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

100% no. The drive for profit is the cause. People can only buy what is on the shelves and dont control what is there as much as people think they do. A lot of it also comes down to media manipulation too, largely from omission of information.

Apple is the best example of this. They are actually anti net-zero and promote being carbon neutral instead as the alternative. Apple supply chain issues are being fixed via dedicated coal powered stations. In 2020 they went renewable and have backed out since well it failed. No company in the world is doing more to fight against net zero then Apple but for the most part alot of climate protesters are walking around with Apple phones. If consumer culture was important I dont think Apple take this route myself and do so with the level of success they have done.

They have people buying their products regardless of their personal beliefs and when its all said and done thats been a winning move for them

If you want to be a pro net-zero person you MUST own a Google Pixel. Doing anything but is absurd. You are basically telling me I should change my entire life to achieve this goal when you cant even change the operating system of your mobile phone

When I say consumer culture I don't mean consumer choice, I mean the unending culture of consumption which is created by the drive for profit. Rampant capitalism where the only goal is money. I agree about Apple, it's true of most things. A culture of obsolescence, convenience and a desperate search to increase profit margins have spread from America like a plague. I don't see a person living in the gold plated Trump penthouse addressing this mindset.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Great post. Articulated my personal analysis of the situation far better than my right wing brain ever could.

The dems aren’t capable of self correcting and we could indeed enjoy an extended era of republican presidents.

Let me run something past you mate. I would deport all with criminal records etc that goes without saying. However, if the remainder of the illegals could be ‘encouraged’ to vote republican going forward, and allowed to stay in the us, would that be the ultimate troll?

I think thats a given. They will definetly export those who voted for Dems and those who are comitting crimes regardless of ciitizenship. They may not admit thats what they are doing but it is what they will do.

If someone comes across the border, earns citizenship but sells drugs from day 1 to when they get citizenship, they will just kick them out regardless.

Its a bit of a moral blur. You are correcting a wrong with another wrong, but which wrong is worse? Have your own opinion on that, but dont ignore the outcome of it. The outcome of it is bad for Dems

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

When I say consumer culture I don't mean consumer choice, I mean the unending culture of consumption which is created by the drive for profit. Rampant capitalism where the only goal is money. I agree about Apple, it's true of most things. A culture of obsolescence, convenience and a desperate search to increase profit margins have spread from America like a plague. I don't see a person living in the gold plated Trump penthouse addressing this mindset.

With that point id say consumer culture has made it worse, yet isnt the cause. Slavery occurs in non consumables too. Qatar is a good example who use slave labour in African gold minds to essentially store wealth as opposed to create something for personal consumption.

Its just a case of if we removed consumer culture, slaves will be re directed as opposed to end. The slave culture exists at the level of the countries who promote it. It is why I dont want Net Zero firstly. Relying on China for energy consumption who are a big driver behind slavery is a silly position to take. Lets rely on ourselves instead of slaves. If a bit of ice melts because of it then so be it. What future are we leaving behind if we are committing people to slavery to achieve it. Is Tuvalu worth preserving if we commit hundreds of millions people to a life of absolute misery?

If we want to talk net-zero vs anti net-zero lets talk about the full picture, the one outside of BOM statistics. If you do that the picture is pretty clear

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

With that point id say consumer culture has made it worse, yet isnt the cause. Slavery occurs in non consumables too. Qatar is a good example who use slave labour in African gold minds to essentially store wealth as opposed to create something for personal consumption.

Its just a case of if we removed consumer culture, slaves will be re directed as opposed to end. The slave culture exists at the level of the countries who promote it. It is why I dont want Net Zero firstly. Relying on China for energy consumption who are a big driver behind slavery is a silly position to take. Lets rely on ourselves instead of slaves. If a bit of ice melts because of it then so be it. What future are we leaving behind if we are committing people to slavery to achieve it. Is Tuvalu worth preserving if we commit hundreds of millions people to a life of absolute misery?

If we want to talk net-zero vs anti net-zero lets talk about the full picture, the one outside of BOM statistics. If you do that the picture is pretty clear

a well written take on it. Again I don't just blame the consumer, they're in a forest-for-the-trees mining-town situation. I do like your point that slave labour isn't even necessarily to create consumer goods. I'm interested in your statement that you don't want Net Zero firstly because of slavery. Do you think it's something worth striving for if it can be done without slavery? I would think most people would agree that slavery is wrong and rather not have it happening anywhere. I would think that slavery is only of use to keep instated the gaps between haves and have nots. Same as I would say that there is literally no need for poverty anywhere in the world based on the plethora of riches that are hoarded by a miniscule minority of the world. Sharing seems to worry a lot of people who are obsessed with the dog-eat-dog world of alleged meritocracy though and making sure nobody goes without seems to be communist to most conservatives.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

a well written take on it. Again I don't just blame the consumer, they're in a forest-for-the-trees mining-town situation. I do like your point that slave labour isn't even necessarily to create consumer goods. I'm interested in your statement that you don't want Net Zero firstly because of slavery. Do you think it's something worth striving for if it can be done without slavery? I would think most people would agree that slavery is wrong and rather not have it happening anywhere. I would think that slavery is only of use to keep instated the gaps between haves and have nots. Same as I would say that there is literally no need for poverty anywhere in the world based on the plethora of riches that are hoarded by a miniscule minority of the world. Sharing seems to worry a lot of people who are obsessed with the dog-eat-dog world of alleged meritocracy though and making sure nobody goes without seems to be communist to most conservatives.

I wouldnt strive for it necessarily. It would then become a case by case situation. For example I believe plastic needs removing from Indonesia because of the tidal patterns. I dont think it needs removing from Australia as we dont have the same issues and can easily contain the problem if we put a bit of effort.

For energy, I wouldnt strive for it in Australia as we are energy independent and due to our geographical situation we must keep that but I would in South America because achieving Net Zero would be relatively easier and more or less create more energy independence by removing the power places like Venezuela have

Slavery is about power. The have and have nots is of much less importance then people want to admit. Its why so much slavery occurs during religious persecution.

I dont want to fix poverty cos its unachievable. The dog eat dog is a primal human instinct. Even if I dumped a mountain of food in Congo, its not getting shared around anyway. You are not solving human instinct with politics.

You can solve the use of slaves much moreso in the sense of if you burden a country with a very poor outcome because of slavery, they then have no benefit from it. Slavery isnt a human instinct around survival, its just a human instinct around power and control. You can remove power and control. If we remove power and control, we will reduce slavery.... so letd do it. It can be done, we just need the courage to do it

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

I dont want to fix poverty cos its unachievable. The dog eat dog is a primal human instinct. Even if I dumped a mountain of food in Congo, its not getting shared around anyway. You are not solving human instinct with politics.

You can solve the use of slaves much moreso in the sense of if you burden a country with a very poor outcome because of slavery, they then have no benefit from it. Slavery isnt a human instinct around survival, its just a human instinct around power and control. You can remove power and control. If we remove power and control, we will reduce slavery.... so letd do it. It can be done, we just need the courage to do it

I'm not sure how dog-eat-dog (in this instance, "I have more food than I need and you have none but I'm winning so who cares") is human instinct but slavery "I can make you do things that benefit me but have no function at all for you" isn't human instinct? Seems that the same courage to remove slavery is the exact same courage that says that a mountain of food getting to the Congo is shared correctly. It's all very utopian but isn't that what human history is striving for?

Cheers for the convo - much more interesting than work today!

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

The Cybertruck bomber suspect was identified as a US Army veteran Matthew Livelsberger.

It has now been revealed that he served at the same base as the New Orleans suspect Jabbar.

Spooky

Spooky also that he died from a "self-inflicted" gunshot wound before his autonomous car blew up.

I'm glad you've said suspect. I don't think he intended to blow anything up at all.

His body was burnt so badly it was beyond recognition but in a case of miraculous document survival we haven't encountered since the 9/11 hijacker's perfectly preserved passport ending up on a NT footpath, Matthew's passport and military passport were found almost unscathed.

If we're going to believe the family members when they say he was a Trump supporter (and I do) we should also place as much confidence in their comments that he knew enough about explosives to have blown up the front half of the Trump hotel if that was his aim. I mean how can anyone swallow the idea that he was a special forces green beret turned terrorist? What person with that sort of experience would choose a Tesla (known to be bulletproof) along with some fireworks and petrol to blow a building up?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm not sure how dog-eat-dog (in this instance, "I have more food than I need and you have none but I'm winning so who cares") is human instinct but slavery "I can make you do things that benefit me but have no function at all for you" isn't human instinct? Seems that the same courage to remove slavery is the exact same courage that says that a mountain of food getting to the Congo is shared correctly. It's all very utopian but isn't that what human history is striving for?

Cheers for the convo - much more interesting than work today!

You hoard food for survival, you dont need slaves for survival . Its the hunter and gatherer chain of it

I will take 2 bags of rice when I only need 1... because what happens if something happens to my 1 bag of rice. I might not survive

If the slave I have to cook my rice runs away, then I get annoyed but understand i need to eat and cook the rice myself. Its not contributing to my survival, just my comfort

If slaves was a necessity I think every country would have it ingrained. It isnt the case at all. Only some countries do it. Reason is because it isnt needed. Look at food production. Australia produces wayyyy more food then we need and all developed and successful countries follow this same trend.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

His body was burnt so badly it was beyond recognition but in a case of miraculous document survival we haven't encountered since the 9/11 hijacker's perfectly preserved passport ending up on a NT footpath, Matthew's passport and military passport were found almost unscathed.

I'm sure Leon will start bragging about the impenetrable nature of the glovebox next.

 

[Mofra]

Cybertruck blast suspect was a ‘Rambo type’ who loved Trump, family says

Exclusive: Matthew Livelsberger’s shocked uncle told The Independent that the Green Beret was a ‘supersoldier’

www.independent.co.uk

Dean Livelsberger said he was aware of the explosion in Vegas, but had not yet been made aware that Matt, as he called him, had been named as the culprit until The Independent contacted him for comment. At first, Dean assumed the explosion had been caused by “one of those big lithium batteries that short-circuited or something,” he said. He was relieved that the blast only caused seven minor injuries and didn’t kill anyone else. But, he added, the amateurish construction of the explosive device, an array of propane tanks, fireworks and camping fuel, left him with a slew of additional questions.

Raises questions - a green beret would be familiar with explosives and I'm not sure he'd choose something so amateurish if he actually wanted to do serious damage. Very curious.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

You hoard food for survival, you dont need slaves for survival . Its the hunter and gatherer chain of it

I will take 2 bags of rice when I only need 1... because what happens if something happens to my 1 bag of rice. I might not survive

If the slave I have to cook my rice runs away, then I get annoyed but understand i need to eat and cook the rice myself. Its not contributing to my survival, just my comfort

If slaves was a necessity I think every country would have it ingrained. It isnt the case at all. Only some countries do it. Reason is because it isnt needed. Look at food production. Australia produces wayyyy more food then we need and all developed and successful countries follow this same trend.

I think it might be a little bit more than dividing 2 bags of rice. We're talking more like hoarding 55 billion bags of rice in case you run out while your global neighbour has no bags of rice. Like you said, we produce way more food than we need - it's because wastage is built into the equation. I dunno, it just seems pretty simple to me that a little more equality would work better in the world than a bunch of billionaires thinking that their merit has given them the right to eat more than other people.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

a bootfull of hillbilly fireworks in a tesla would have me wondering if the self inflicted gunshot wound was in the left temple of a right handed man sitting inside a car that can drive itself.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I think it might be a little bit more than dividing 2 bags of rice. We're talking more like hoarding 55 billion bags of rice in case you run out while your global neighbour has no bags of rice. Like you said, we produce way more food than we need - it's because wastage is built into the equation. I dunno, it just seems pretty simple to me that a little more equality would work better in the world than a bunch of billionaires thinking that their merit has given them the right to eat more than other people.

This is on the assumption that we have complete peace I feel? The reason the places with the most poverty has the most civil war is primarily survival. People like to pretend its religion and other crap but it isnt.

If we drop 55 billion bags of rice, does the peace exist for them to divide the food equally or in the space of civil war, does one take control to protect themselves from the danger of the alternative?

In your scenario, world peace must occur before the equalisation of food sharing.... I cant see that ever happening

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

I'm sure Leon will start bragging about the impenetrable nature of the glovebox next.

No reports of the documents being found there (in case this was not purely a joke). It's not where I'd keep my passport.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Cybertruck blast suspect was a ‘Rambo type’ who loved Trump, family says

Exclusive: Matthew Livelsberger’s shocked uncle told The Independent that the Green Beret was a ‘supersoldier’

www.independent.co.uk

Raises questions - a green beret would be familiar with explosives and I'm not sure he'd choose something so amateurish if he actually wanted to do serious damage. Very curious.

You can be a expert at making bombs but fail still. I cant imagine it would be easy to make a bomb putting it in a car and driving it through a desert basically.

I cant think of how someone could have a 100% success rate at making a car bonb. Its got a ton of variables

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

Cybertruck blast suspect was a ‘Rambo type’ who loved Trump, family says

Exclusive: Matthew Livelsberger’s shocked uncle told The Independent that the Green Beret was a ‘supersoldier’

www.independent.co.uk

Raises questions - a green beret would be familiar with explosives and I'm not sure he'd choose something so amateurish if he actually wanted to do serious damage. Very curious.

Agreed. I said the same thing a few posts before yours. Glad to see Kurve also agrees with this idea even though she couldn't quite find it within her festive season heart to like my post, but had no hesitation in doing so for yours.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

No reports of the documents being found there (in case this was not purely a joke). It's not where I'd keep my passport.

sorry, should have mentioned that it was a joke. As was the mention of the left temple gunshot wound. More just laughing at the conspiracy side of things while also side glancing at the situation trying to work out how it can possibly make sense.

 

[Soldier Of Misfortune]

You can be a expert at making bombs but fail still. I cant imagine it would be easy to make a bomb putting it in a car and driving it through a desert basically.

I cant think of how someone could have a 100% success rate at making a car bonb. Its got a ton of variables

The internet has guaranteed that anyone who is serious about making a bomb can make a bomb slightly less laughable than a bootfull of petrol, etc. If this guy is actually well trained military then this definitely isn't his bomb. Unless he's really got some screws loose which is completely possible.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Someone needs to explain how you attack something you love in a logical way.

Are there any other examples in the world where a terrorist attack too place om the basis of promoting that ideal? Like has a Shia Muslin ever attacked a Shia Mosque? Has a pro Netanyahu supporter ever attacked a Jewish synagogue

If in a entire world of crimes, you have 1 example of something ever occuring, you should probably question the basis of your 1 and only example yeah?