NWO/Illuminati US politics - Pt 3

How long before Musk & Trump have a major rift?

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  • Under six months

  • Under one year

  • Under two years

  • Not happening, never!

  • Not until Musk is ready to seize the Presidency


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No. There are two people participating in that video. One participant from CNN says 42%. What did the other say? Or is that when you stopped watching?
No, a Department of Agriculture report said it actually, we are advised of this at the 20 second mark of the video - when did you stop watching it? :tearsofjoy:
 
My favourite part about this dodge (do you all get the new talking points via email each morning or something?)

I'm certain Mofra does but I can promise you no one sends me emailed talking points.

.... is Republicans now apparently caring about exploited workers.

Really? I didn't get that message at all. To me it was just highlighted how the Democrats arguments haven't changed much in almost 2 centuries.
 
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No, a Department of Agriculture report said it actually, we are advised of this at the 20 second mark of the video - when did you stop watching it? :tearsofjoy:

No. A CNN anchor (Jake Tapper - probably their worst ever) said that the Department of Agriculture had said it. Big difference. No mention of a specific written report we could reference either BTW.

Edit: According to Pew research there are no U.S. industries in which immigrants (that's both legal and illegal) outnumber those born in the country. The ones that work rather than live on welfare are mainly employed as drywall installers, painters and roofers.
 
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No. A CNN anchor (Jake Tapper - probably their worst ever) said that the Department of Agriculture had said it. Big difference. No mention of a specific written report we could reference either BTW.
As always, **** this is tedious :rolleyes:


Again, when do you imagine you might start looking at your alternative pro-Trump news sources with this degree of skepticism?
 
As always, **** this is tedious :rolleyes:


Again, when do you imagine you might start looking at your alternative pro-Trump news sources with this degree of skepticism?


Those figures vary markedly from those supplied by Pew Research and the US Census Bureau.
 
Do they?

Post em up.

The largest shares of unauthorized immigrant workers were in the construction (13%), agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting (12%), and leisure and hospitality (7%) industries in 2022.


Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in the farming, fishing and forestry sector in 2022 was 43%.

immigrants overall accounted for the largest share of workers in farming, fishing and forestry (43%) in 2022

So that maybe is where Jake got his numbers from. Note it includes fishing and forestry.

As I said in #7,432 there are no U.S. industries in which immigrants (that's both legal and illegal) outnumber those born in the country. The ones that work rather than live on welfare are mainly employed as drywall installers, painters and roofers.
 
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Immigrants (both legal and illegal) in the farming, fishing and forestry sector in 2022 was 43%.



So that maybe is where Jake got his numbers from.
Yes, as you've noted these seem like averages across multiple sectors.

Pretty clear Jake and Goebbels were talking about farming, which is also what the Department of Agriculture 42% are talking about.

Think we can move on now yeah?
 
Yes, as you've noted these seem like averages across multiple sectors.

Pretty clear Jake and Goebbels were talking about farming, which is also what the Department of Agriculture 42% are talking about.

Think we can move on now yeah?

The real problem with the USDA graph you provided is that it lumps all the guest workers (on legal visas) into a category called 'undocumented' alongside illegal immigrants. If they had a separate category for those in the US working on guest work visas the picture would be much clearer. Maybe the reason they didn't is because some of those who enter with legal guest visas may overstay and then become illegal.
 

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The real problem with the USDA graph you provided is that it lumps all the guest workers (on legal visas) into a category called 'undocumented' alongside illegal immigrants. If they had a separate category for those in the US working on guest work visas the picture would be much clearer. Maybe the reason they didn't is because some of those who enter with legal guest visas may overstay and then become illegal.
Does it?

Where are you seeing that?
 
Does it?

Where are you seeing that?

I assumed it on the basis that there was no category for them on the chart. Since then instead of relying on that Flourish graphic I've tracked down the USDA report itself and it states ...

This report is the seventeenth in a series of Department of Labor publications on the demographic and employment characteristics of hired crop workers in the United States. These findings are based on data collected from face-to-face interviews with 2,598 crop workers through the U.S. Department of Labor’s National Agricultural Workers Survey (NAWS) between September 29, 2020, and October 1, 2022. The NAWS sample does not include crop workers with H-2A visas.

So they specifically excluded crop workers in the US on legal guest visas which far outnumber illegal immigrants working in that industry. Something Jake should really have known or if he did, should have mentioned. Still wondering why I'm sceptical of the MSM?
 
I assumed it on the basis that there was no category for them on the chart. Since then instead of relying on that Flourish graphic I've tracked down the USDA report itself and it states ...

The NAWS sample does not include crop workers with H-2A visas.

So they specifically excluded crop workers in the US on legal guest visas which far outnumber illegal immigrants working in that industry. Something Jake should really have known or if he did, should have mentioned.
Ok, so the H-2A visa category was excluded, which is the opposite of what you first claimed (that they were combined in the 'undocumented' category).

Sounds like any way you slice it, undocumented workers make up a large percentage of this sector (amazing that we've taken an hour and 5 posts each to arrive at this fairly obvious conclusion :drunk:)

Still wondering why I'm sceptical of the MSM?
No, I've never wondered that.

I'm wondering when you'll start putting in even 1/10th of the work you've just done here when its a pro Trump story from an alternative news source.
 
The real problem with the USDA graph you provided is that it lumps all the guest workers (on legal visas) into a category called 'undocumented' alongside illegal immigrants. If they had a separate category for those in the US working on guest work visas the picture would be much clearer. Maybe the reason they didn't is because some of those who enter with legal guest visas may overstay and then become illegal.

Don't all those undocumented migrants become documented once you stick them on a graph?
 
Agree. Do you think your average MAGA enthusiast feels the same way?


Categorically, that isn't the case in the US.


Is it your contention that they could pay a living wage to do the job with no price increase for the consumer?


This has the potential to age very poorly for MAGA lol


Now mate, I know how you detest question dodgers so I'm a little surprised I'm having to chase you up yet again, but;


and
- You just gave me California as a example. Its the non MAGA enthusiasts who are struggling the most. Most MAGA enthusiast dont enjoy illegal migration

- Haha as if. They call them rednecks after alll

- Looks like lefties are crying the most? MAGA seem fine about all this

- Answered both questions already. Just cos you dont like your answer doesnt mean they aint answered
 
Sounds like any way you slice it, undocumented workers make up a large percentage of this sector (amazing that we've taken an hour and 5 posts each to arrive at this fairly obvious conclusion :drunk:)

12% according to Pew and that's including Forestry & Fishing. So if we assume a roughly equal split between those three it would be around 4% and sounds about right after seeing 4% quoted all over the place. Not a large percentage at all.

 

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