Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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If we just let Jamarra go for a bag of chips I'm done. Sick of losing gun players for nothing and getting bent over in the process.
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I hate the media. I think they are nothing but mouth pieces for the bigger clubs.
Geelong: "Hey Ralph/Clark/Whoever else, we really want that Jamarra guy. Could you please start trade rumors now and keep the heat on the Bulldogs all season. And when it comes to trade time, publicly scream that our offer of a single second round pick is more than fair. Then mock them next season for bending over to us again, at how we got a steal. Don't mention Cotton on, and our big land packages though. And make it known that only Geelong can have him, say the other clubs have no chance"
Also one of his issues, is the type of people around him (I've had personal experiences with a couple of them). He is not escaping that bubble in Geelong. It's either stay with us and changes, or he goes Interstate and starts over.
Geelong: "Hey Ralph/Clark/Whoever else, we really want that Jamarra guy. Could you please start trade rumors now and keep the heat on the Bulldogs all season. And when it comes to trade time, publicly scream that our offer of a single second round pick is more than fair. Then mock them next season for bending over to us again, at how we got a steal. Don't mention Cotton on, and our big land packages though. And make it known that only Geelong can have him, say the other clubs have no chance"
Also one of his issues, is the type of people around him (I've had personal experiences with a couple of them). He is not escaping that bubble in Geelong. It's either stay with us and changes, or he goes Interstate and starts over.
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AFL house are the only ones who could stop it and they simply don’t GAF.
Its one of the reasons I miss having such an effective advocate as Peter Gordon as our president.
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Like who?
Let me guess... you're going to tell me because some of those I mentioned above went to other clubs and didn't perform that it's A-ok. It was still a garbage return at the time on every one of them. Noone should have confidence that if we lose JUH it won't happen again
The only 2 that we didn't get full value for were Smith and Dunkley who were OOC,
Hunter clear as day had significant of field issues with a certain white powder, Stringer was cheating on his Mrs with a 16 year old and we got a 2nd round pick for Dalhaus who was a nice role player at best
Dalhaus was the only one we did ok with at the time and it had nothing to do with the club.
Who cares what their issues were... that doesn't mean we didn't get rubbish returns... which we did. Because the club made it public how they felt about Stringer (then tried to ask for a first rounder) and Hunter.
Again, no confidence they won't balls this one up too if it ends up happening.
Again you can ignore the point all you like the facts matter,
Hunter was widely known as a "party boy" in the industry that we got significant cap off the books when traded and only went to a team desperate to stay in the window for a reason,
Stringer was and still is to this day an off field liability who does not have the professionalism to be a top level AFL footballer,
Whether you like it or not being fat and lazy as well as being a drug addict significantly tanks your trade value
So if I go digging i won't find you bemoaning our return on Stringer at all? Most of this board was.
The only reason you are suddenly saying second rounders was a good deal is because you are rewriting history based on how he performed after he left. At the time that was a poor deal and the club clearly wanted more.
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So you’ve conceded that we got a decent return for Dahlhaus, and the other two examples you’ve given showed after they left that they weren’t worth any more than we got for them.
You’re good at this.
Done some research for you here is 8 examples of highly rated players going for peanuts due to off field issues:
Jack Ginnivan + 33 + F2 + F3 for 39 + F2 + F4 (F2 ended up being an upgrade) (premiership player)
Elijah Hollands + 26 + F3 for 26 + F4 (Top 10 pick)
Jessie Hogan for 54 (Early 17 year old selection equivalent to top 3 also traded prior for top 10 pick)
Jayden Stephensen + 39 for 26 + 33 (Rising star + top 10 pick)
John Patton for F4 (Number 1 pick)
Jack Steven for 58 (Multiple BnF wins +AA Squads)
Jack Watts for 31 (Number 1 pick)
Harley Bennell + 22 for 16 + 35 (number 2 pick)
Players who have off field issues no matter what they have achieved do not get the value for what they have done on it,
They clearly weren't the first and won't be the last
You're not...
You're rewriting history because of how they went after they left. That has no bearing on the poor deal we got for them as an outgoing player.
Dalhaus was free agency... derp
It's almost as if the club and trading clubs understood the risk of them completely derailing due to their off field issues so were rightly reluctant to pay "market rate"
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Hang on, I’m rewriting history?
So Stringer and Hunter went on to be hugely successful after leaving, proving to the league that the Dogs were not adequately compensated? Perhaps the expectations on their worth that you had were wrong and their performances proved that.
I'm not convinced that this JUH to Geelong stuff, at this point of the season, isn't just rage bait to drive clicks. After the Smith stuff last year, there being no substance to report on regarding JUH going anywhere (other than being MIA), and the recent talk about Geelong's salary cap, the headline is almost cartoonish.
lachy
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I'm not sure what you are hoping to achieve with your arguments here but you are getting zero support for a reason, players with significant off field issues are nearly always traded for peanuts and rarely thrive for any period of time at their new club.
The only argument with any substance would be we need to improve our due diligence when drafting players and identify red flags early.
Given over the last 15 years its only been Stringer, Dallhous, Hunter and Smith it is not a large percentage of those drafted but should still be reviewed.
According to a reliable itk on these boards the Saints had offered and we would accept 2 first round draft picks for JUH. They pulled their offer after their due diligence, thats on the player not at all on the club if there is any truth in it
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This is one argument.
Another is that the club is obviously not doing enough to help these players.
The club has lost a number of young players who would be important to the future and another who is a possibility. Dunkley alluded to issues when he left.
Surely it's not all a coincidence.
I'm not saying it's Beveridge or any one reason because I don't know ... but it is an issue that the club in general needs to get better at.
Correct. The club wanted Essendon’s pick 11 straight up. They asked for our 2nd rounder back as well. We refused. So they made that deal with GWS for Devon Smith. And we got caught with our pants down and ended up taking picks 25 and 30 for him. The idea that was a good return for Stringer at the time is laughable.
*We then traded picks 25 and 40 for Josh Schache.
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This is the make or break year for Marra and us.
He needs to knuckle down, and then recommit to a contract extension before the end of the year.
If either of those don't happen we need to actively shop him around at the end of the season (as much as I don't wish for that). Otherwise we get screwed the following year when out of contract.
He needs to knuckle down, and then recommit to a contract extension before the end of the year.
If either of those don't happen we need to actively shop him around at the end of the season (as much as I don't wish for that). Otherwise we get screwed the following year when out of contract.
I think we should hold fire on this whole Jamarra talk until after gather round. By that time we will have a better understanding of where things sit. The plan is still for a return to play at that stage, if things push out further towards mid or late season then there will be genuine reason for concern.
If it does come to the point of a trade at seasons end playing a decent chunk of games will be critical to getting any offers of value.
If it does come to the point of a trade at seasons end playing a decent chunk of games will be critical to getting any offers of value.
lachy
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No that is your opinion. What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise when Foxman presented a list that actually reflected a small percentage of players from other clubs with the same issue
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