Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[adogsfan5]

Who stepped into Varcoes role when he left?

 

[Mojorisin]

Paul Conners is a sack of crap.

That's harsh on the poor sack.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Lots of cliches incoming, but I think Bevo runs a tight ship and the culture is strong with high training standards

But where there is smoke … I used to think Dunkley was an outlier and just collateral damage from a cap and list balance perspective… and then Baz wanted out, and now this looking rocky also.

Thanks C4, for your usual inside info. Not great news, but appreciate it just the same.

 

[adogsfan5]

Lots of cliches incoming, but I think Bevo runs a tight ship and the culture is strong with high training standards.

In fairness, I actually don’t mind this.
But we also need to be able to help mould young immature men that have too much time and money on their hands. I really hope we are educating him. But what if he doesn’t wanna be told?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Posted this image before, does not look natural holding a footy.

Yet Curnow and Grub are his clients, can't see them moving. Interestingly also manages Petracca.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Posted this image before, does not look natural holding a footy.

Yet Curnow and Grub are his clients, can't see them moving. Interestingly also manages Petracca.

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I wouldn’t rule anything out about petracca that’s a watch

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

He seems to spend most of his time boxing, maybe he is not interested in football anymore.

Thank god for Croft and Darcy, considering JUH cost us a whole draft capital.

At the end of the day the AFL is a meat market and not all young people can cope with it. He needs to make a decision that is best for him.

 

[ossie_21]

If he retires and walks away, that’s one thing and he won’t be the first or last athlete to step away early.

But if he asks to be traded elsewhere, that will sap the life out of me to be honest. We gave up a lot for him, backed him in, supported him through the racism he copped and if it’s all for nothing, it will sting. Missing a whole lot of high-end draft picks really hurts if that is the case, more than a lot of people may realise.

I obviously hope whatever is going on, it is possible to be worked through and we see him play out his career at the Bulldogs. All the talk prior to any of this has been how happy he has been at the club, so I really hope it’s all been true. We’ve done lots of stuff for his mob & increased indigenous engagement massively in the last few years, including going to his community with the whole squad. No doubt we’ve done everything we can to support him through everything, but fmd if that’s not enough and some other club can just lure him with minimal effort in comparison, and just promises…

 

[adogsfan5]

Posted this image before, does not look natural holding a footy.

Yet Curnow and Grub are his clients, can't see them moving. Interestingly also manages Petracca.

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Petracca wanted out. Was another potential big pay day for him.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I wouldn’t rule anything out about petracca that’s a watch

Yeah, but I guess my point is the same as yours on the previous page. His clients at VUWO tend to leave, by their own volition or with the club's encouragement (Stringer, Hunter).

I wonder if C4[2]Yo`DooR has any insights on Connors?

 

[doggiesin08]

If he retires and walks away, that’s one thing and he won’t be the first or last athlete to step away early.

But if he asks to be traded elsewhere, that will sap the life out of me to be honest. We gave up a lot for him, backed him in, supported him through the racism he copped and if it’s all for nothing, it will sting. Missing a whole lot of high-end draft picks really hurts if that is the case, more than a lot of people may realise.

I obviously hope whatever is going on, it is possible to be worked through and we see him play out his career at the Bulldogs. All the talk prior to any of this has been how happy he has been at the club, so I really hope it’s all been true. We’ve done lots of stuff for his mob & increased indigenous engagement massively in the last few years, including going to his community with the whole squad. No doubt we’ve done everything we can to support him through everything, but fmd if that’s not enough and some other club can just lure him with minimal effort in comparison, and just promises…

I hope you don't mind an alternate take:

• We really didn't give up a lot for him at all. Happy to be corrected, but when it all played out I think we had essentially used Pick 14 + Pick 41 + F2 for Treloar and Jamarra. I appreciate we got "lucky" with the Treloar trade, but even without that we got access to Jamarra at a huge discount between the 20% points deduction and the ability to trade down to points-hoard under a system that has now been changed. This was also a pretty weak draft all round, including Caleb Poulter going at pick 30 and we ended up getting him for free.
• There is a narrative that Jamarra and Darcy bled us out of the 2nd and 3rd rounds of consecutive drafts and that this really hurt our depth. My view is that this ignores the fact that they were overall weak drafts anyway and ignores that we also traded 2nd and 3rd round picks in those draft for Keath and Hannan. Our depth was much more impacted by unexpected declines (often injury linked) of Bruce, Keath, Crozier, Hunter, McLean, Smith, and then also trading out Dunkley and Lipinski.
• While appreciating some clubs (notably Pies and Hawks) have made egregious **** ups on the indigenous player welfare front, I don't think we deserve brownie points for supporting him through the racism he copped. It wasn't wasted effort and support even if he ends up moving on, and doesn't added to the "sting" for me.

I completely agree it will be an enormous sting if we end up losing a potentially generational talent for nothing or for "unders", but just think that its more linked to the quality of player he potentially could be and not linked to what we gave up or the off-field support we provided.

 

[F6Typhoon]

The pressure on young indigenous potential “superstar” players must be enormous, hence why very few forge out a successful career during and especially AFTER AFL.
Their mob seeing them as “super rich” and a meal ticket to be shared among the myriad of uncles, aunties, cousins..
With maybe the exception of Buddy, name one that’s handled the sudden fame and the accompanying wealth and gone on to lead a prosperous life?
And remembering this kids only just 22!
Love or hate old Sheedy, he was the one outlier that understood how the culture worked, not just with the particular player, but with their community..
I guarantee that if there wasn’t the enormous bucks involved, these talented indigenous kids would be just doing what they do best, that being.. loving the game and showcasing their natural abilities…
I have no idea of the long term answer, but I’d suggest it’s one that’s not unique to us?
For the harmony of the whole playing group, I just hope it can be worked through and that they’re sympathetic to JUH’s “special treatment”

 

[Libbaaaa]

I hope you don't mind an alternate take:

• We really didn't give up a lot for him at all. Happy to be corrected, but when it all played out I think we had essentially used Pick 14 + Pick 41 + F2 for Treloar and Jamarra. I appreciate we got "lucky" with the Treloar trade, but even without that we got access to Jamarra at a huge discount between the 20% points deduction and the ability to trade down to points-hoard under a system that has now been changed. This was also a pretty weak draft all round, including Caleb Poulter going at pick 30 and we ended up getting him for free.
• There is a narrative that Jamarra and Darcy bled us out of the 2nd and 3rd rounds of consecutive drafts and that this really hurt our depth. My view is that this ignores the fact that they were overall weak drafts anyway and ignores that we also traded 2nd and 3rd round picks in those draft for Keath and Hannan. Our depth was much more impacted by unexpected declines (often injury linked) of Bruce, Keath, Crozier, Hunter, McLean, Smith, and then also trading out Dunkley and Lipinski.
• While appreciating some clubs (notably Pies and Hawks) have made egregious **** ups on the indigenous player welfare front, I don't think we deserve brownie points for supporting him through the racism he copped. It wasn't wasted effort and support even if he ends up moving on, and doesn't added to the "sting" for me.

I completely agree it will be an enormous sting if we end up losing a potentially generational talent for nothing or for "unders", but just think that its more linked to the quality of player he potentially could be and not linked to what we gave up or the off-field support we provided.

My thoughts exactly. Although I understand how hard it would be as a supporter to cop another player letting their contract run down just so they can get to another club at a discount as an OOC player after Dunkley and Sniff. Dunkley picking Brissy is what screwed us considering they were a perennial top 6 side and had Ashcroft and Fletcher bids eating into their picks. Smith's injury completely destroyed our bargaining power as well, something I fear may happen wth Jamarra.

For reference SEN is saying Chad Warner is worth 2 top 10 picks despite being OOC at the end of the year.

 

[Sentinel]

The pressure on young indigenous potential “superstar” players must be enormous, hence why very few forge out a successful career during and especially AFTER AFL.
Their mob seeing them as “super rich” and a meal ticket to be shared among the myriad of uncles, aunties, cousins..
With maybe the exception of Buddy, name one that’s handled the sudden fame and the accompanying wealth and gone on to lead a prosperous life?
And remembering this kids only just 22!
Love or hate old Sheedy, he was the one outlier that understood how the culture worked, not just with the particular player, but with their community..
I guarantee that if there wasn’t the enormous bucks involved, these talented indigenous kids would be just doing what they do best, that being.. loving the game and showcasing their natural abilities…
I have no idea of the long term answer, but I’d suggest it’s one that’s not unique to us?
For the harmony of the whole playing group, I just hope it can be worked through and that they’re sympathetic to JUH’s “special treatment”

For some additional context about Jamarra's upbringing and how much of a world away playing AFL in Melbourne is, he talks a little about it here: