Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[stefoid]

English is concussion prone

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Brew is gonna turn into Brett Kirk or Paul Kelly by Christmas at this rate.

 

[_Cerberus_]

I like the idea of Dom Brew, but we lose the opportunity cost of using that list spot on another player, which is especially pertinent if we end up needing something else (e.g. a backup ruck, for rucks sake!).

We should be pushing for a top four spot and challenging for a flag, it would be disastrously stupid to reach a final and then suddenly need to pull our 2025 AA CHB Lobb from defense or disrupt Darcy in the forward line to cover an English injury, or or lose a final because a Darcy Fort type towels up Lachie Smith.

You're talking like Boyd would be a sure thing at AFL. When he has not proven a thing yet. We have four players capable of playing Ruck. We have enough depth to cover Darcy or Lobb if English goes down. Plus we will also be eating into Smiths development. We will be too top heavy with a 5th. Plus rucks are overrated. Many of the last few Premiers have won it with mid tier ruckmen. The Lions won the flag with their VFL ruckman. Being pushed around by physical teams, or teams who move it fast, is where we lost games.

 

[TheScriptorWL]

English is concussion prone

For a flag tilt next season, we need someone stronger and less passive.

When I look back on this season. English’s ruck craft has looked incredibly mediocre. He has his elite moments, sure, but that is mostly because he is nearly seven bloody feet tall and athletic. A great football player? Yes! Operating as our only pure ruck? Nah, he doesn’t have that mongrel. Darcy has already proven himself to be invaluable in our forward line. Both from a set shot perspective and his explosive marking. So we need someone else, which is where that Brew list spot may become a problem come mid year.

All this to say, we need to find a way to clone this man...

Our ideal future archetype is a few inches shorter than English. Which allows muscle to be gained a lot easier.

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[threenewpadlocks]

You're talking like Boyd would be a sure thing at AFL. When he has not proven a thing yet. We have four players capable of playing Ruck. We have enough depth to cover Darcy or Lobb if English goes down. Plus we will also be eating into Smiths development. We will be too top heavy with a 5th. Plus rucks are overrated. Many of the last few Premiers have won it with mid tier ruckmen. The Lions won the flag with their VFL ruckman. Being pushed around by physical teams, or teams who move it fast, is where we lost games.

The point isn't that Brew is less needed than a ruck, just that people are making the point "what is there to lose" ignoring the limited nature of list spots. A backup ruck is just an example of one of the different ways the list spot could be used. There is always an opportunity cost. Even if Brew excels and makes it to pre-season, the fact that he plays 0 AFL games on our list means we miss out on the opportunity to find another player in a different position that could have played more than 0 games. We could have missed out on whoever next year's Bramble could have been, for instance.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

There’s always a chance we decide to hold off on Brew and take a kid in the MSD.

However, I think the coaches and list bosses will fall in love with Brew’s toughness and leadership and give him a go.

At the very least we’ll get a crack at a VFL flag out of it.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Get Brew on the list ASAP! He is exactly what this semi timid list needs. That should be our motto in 2025. A timid list we are no more

Or we are no longer semi, we are hard...

 

[Unorth]

The point isn't that Brew is less needed than a ruck, just that people are making the point "what is there to lose" ignoring the limited nature of list spots. A backup ruck is just an example of one of the different ways the list spot could be used. There is always an opportunity cost. Even if Brew excels and makes it to pre-season, the fact that he plays 0 AFL games on our list means we miss out on the opportunity to find another player in a different position that could have played more than 0 games. We could have missed out on whoever next year's Bramble could have been, for instance.

Brew’s profile as a player might just be one of the least likely to transfer to AFL level. there are several recent examples from Footscray itself. Even with younger more talented players, if Lipinski, West and Garcia were able to replicate their form as inside mids at vfl level they’d be superstars.

Considering we have multiple players over 26 that are low floor, low ceiling and very unlikely to play next season already - I really don’t think Brew would be a wise use of a list spot. Take a punt on a young small forward or use it on ruck cover for example. This “last” player might never play regardless of position but there are levels to how useful said player can be - and an unathletic inside mid is probably the last thing we need on the list. Definitely not a Dalrymple type pickup that’s for sure.

If the argument is that we really want Brew for off-field/standards reasons, I would cut Baker or Scott a year early and he can have their spot (I know this won’t happen obviously).

I don’t mind the train on spot though. I think ideally you get 2-3 guys who can fight for that spot. Keep it open for the mid season draft if they don’t impress.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Cal Twomey mentioned that if Darcy explodes next year to watch out for the Lions to come hard for Jamarra as a long term Daniher replacement.

This speculation is going to continue over the next 24 months.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Cal Twomey mentioned that if Darcy explodes next year to watch out for the Lions to come hard for Jamarra as a long term Daniher replacement.

This speculation is going to continue over the next 24 months.

I think there was a mention of Jamarra looking at a longer deal. I think if not with us, it would be Tasmania.

 

[TiAn_]

Cal Twomey mentioned that if Darcy explodes next year to watch out for the Lions to come hard for Jamarra as a long term Daniher replacement.

This speculation is going to continue over the next 24 months.

What would Darcy have to do with the Lions interest in Jamarra?

 

[weltschmerz]

What would Darcy have to do with the Lions interest in Jamarra?

The assumption that we can only play two of Naughton, Jamarra, and Darcy.

 

[cecil]

I thought that too but I watched a few of his games- in particular this years grand final. Southport had it on their terms in the first half but Brew (with a few others) wrestled it back literally. As long as Bevo doesn't play him on a hff or as a small forward he should be right.

I mean he's not playing an inside mid role ahead of Bont, Libba, Treloar, Richards and arguably Kennedy. So he's playing half forward.

 

[Mofra]

I mean he's not playing an inside mid role ahead of Bont, Libba, Treloar, Richards and arguably Kennedy. So he's playing half forward.

That's on the assumption Libba maintains his output and Treloar doesn't get injured. Two big 'ifs'

I want us to rotate more through the centre as well.