Toby Greene makes contact with umpire - Update: Suspension Increased to 6 weeks on Appeal

[Bald]

Very strange take that a more forceful action is not more threating than a lessen one

I can’t get over Stevic doing everything he can to help Toby

No, I think you've misunderstood. Suggesting that Stevic should feel threatened by something because Margetts felt threatened by something was the strange take.

I can't cop Stevic helping him either but if he's asked if he felt threatened and he genuinely wasn't, are we expecting him to lie?

 

[BF Tiger]

Very strange take that a more forceful action is not more threating than a lessen one

I can’t get over Stevic doing everything he can to help Toby

Different umpires, different players, different contact, different setting.

 

[Fitzey]

Should be just a fine, but it is Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

so he’ll get the maximum penalty. Stevic is being a good bloke and not making up complete BS, that’s what’s happening.

 

[Strange Cat]

Different umpires, different players, different contact, different setting.

Just looks vastly different how each scenario is handled and treated imo

 

[archibald23]

Stevic recalls having a jovial conversation with Greene an hour and a half before the game, talking about accomodation and the new 'stand' rule.

^^^^^

What the actual f? Stevic is trying to get Greene off.

If Greene doesnt get the book thrown at him watch umpire contact start to filter into our game at all levels..... he cant actually get off can he?

 

[Geoff Dickson]

OPENING ARGUMENTS BEGIN
9.26am: We are just establishing exactly what charge Greene can be judged on this morning. Ben Ihle QC is arguing that if Greene is not found guilty of 'intentional' contact with an umpire, he cannot be found guilty of intentional contact with an umpire that is 'unreasonable or unnecessary'. The Tribunal's chairman, Ross Howie, ultimately rules against this. The jury will consider whether Greene's actions were aggressive, forceful, demonstrative or disrespectful. If they rule he is not guilty of any of these 'four adjectives', they can consider whether his actions were 'unreasonable or unnecessary'.


GREENE'S COMMENTS REVEALED
9.28am: We are hearing audio from Matt Stevic's umpire mic during the incident. Greene, when approaching Stevic, says: "He took a f***ing dive."


STEVIC'S THOUGHTS
9.30am: Umpire Matt Stevic sent an email after the match that said: "I was aware he made some minor contact with me … I considered the contact minor and didn't feel threatened at the time." He is now being called to provide evidence.


UMPIRE STEVIC GIVES EVIDENCE
9.40am: Umpire Stevic has been called to provide evidence. He says: "As Toby got closer, he challenged me on a particular decision and said the player had 'f***ing dived'. I felt some minor contact. From what I recall on the day, Toby accepted that and we moved on from there. In regards to making match-day reports for player contact with an umpire, we need to be 100 per cent sure that the contact with unreasonable, unnecessary or intentional. At the time, I wasn't 100 per cent sure if there were other factors that may have contributed. Seeing the vision post-game, it made clear to me that I was stationary. I did not step into Toby or cause the contact."

 

[Patronus]

But a gaggle of internet sleuths with a 10 second video can?

I am saying Stevic can not help Greenes argument about his intent only he can make whatever argument he wants about it.

Stevic can only say if he made contact or not not what green intended.

 

[BF Tiger]

Just looks vastly different how each scenario is handled and treated imo

 

[Frappe]

Different umpires, different players, different contact, different setting.

Yes -a little like interpretation of other rules, we can all see them differently. I think from Stevic's testimony, at least Greene can say he's getting a fair hearing.

The only question for me is that despite how Stevic felt (i.e. not threatened), will the AFL make an example so as to act as a deterrent right through football ranks?

 

[Fitzey]

What the actual f? Stevic is trying to get Greene off.

Stevic isn’t going to get him off, there’s evidence of Greene making contact with him. Stevic is being realistic about the situation, no one is going to feel threatened by an AFL player brushing past them.

 

[DT_35]

Who gives a flying f*** if they had a chat pre game? What the actual F lol

 

[10571z]

Greene will get 1 week, take it to the bank.

 

[BomberManU]

This is ridiculous. 'Intent', 'Not guilty', 'threatened' etc, etc. - it's the action that has to be held to account, not what someone thinks Greene 'meant to do' etc. Why is Stevic even giving evidence? What can he possibly say that changes the action that took place?
This definitely has a whiff of Greene getting off, which would be extraordinary.

 

[projectv]

Reading the transcript of them cross-examining Stevic I reckon he'll get off. He's playing it down, minor contact, didn't seem intentional, etc.

 

[mattpolo8]

Stevic to the rescue here. Gils clearly flicked him a text.

 

[WestCoast05]

Whateley says up to 8 weeks "if the Giants try to get smart". Knob. Getting tired of him on his high horse wanting to hang players. That incident was no way comparable to Diesel's 9 weeks when he pushed an umpire away forcefully.

Whatley, pr!ck and one of Geelong's media men.
Many teams have advantages and this is definitely one of Geelong's - a number of media/commentator types.
By setting the outrage media narrative of 8 weeks Whately is trying to make sure he at least is out for 1, so he misses the scrap against Geelong.

Whatley has form using his national media platform to push a Geelong agenda from time to time - and I'm pretty sure I'm hardly alone in noticing.

 

[TP86]

Matt Stevic is an Australian hero

 

[Hoops]

Whatley, pr!ck and one of Geelong's media men.
Many teams have advantages and this is definitely one of Geelong's - a number of media/commentator types.
By setting the outrage media narrative of 8 weeks Whately is trying to make sure he at least is out for 1, so he misses the scrap against Geelong.

Whatley has form using his national media platform to push a Geelong agenda from time to time - and I'm pretty sure I'm hardly alone in noticing.

The sad thing is , I think you actually believe what you wrote.

 

[Toump Ass]

Can people remind me why they hate Goodes around here?

Goodes was the dirtiest player ever and if you’re a dirty player, you get booed. All dirty players get booed. Especially the brown ones, but that’s just a coincidence.

 

[fpm84]

 

[WestCoast05]

The sad thing is , I think you actually believe what you wrote.

Whatley (and Robbo) have no biases? Haha ok.

I guess Eddie Maguire has none either? Right?

 

[fpm84]

 

[PhatBoy]

Whatley, pr!ck and one of Geelong's media men.
Many teams have advantages and this is definitely one of Geelong's - a number of media/commentator types.
By setting the outrage media narrative of 8 weeks Whately is trying to make sure he at least is out for 1, so he misses the scrap against Geelong.

Whatley has form using his national media platform to push a Geelong agenda from time to time - and I'm pretty sure I'm hardly alone in noticing.

He walked into and made contact with an umpire. You can’t do it, what Whately - who is 100 per cent correct in what he says - has nothing to do with it.

 

[Hoops]

Whatley (and Robbo) have no biases? Haha ok.

I guess Eddie Maguire has none either? Right?

Everyone has bias and most self aware people actually go the other way publicly as to have the perception of not being biased. But that's not what you said.

 

[WestCoast05]

He walked into and made contact with an umpire. You can’t do it, what Whately - who is 100 per cent correct in what he says - has nothing to do with it.

It kinda is on topic though - I'm not the first person to discuss media narrative surrounding Tribunal/MRP referrals and results. Sorry if it's your guy. The commentator box is full of knobs, it's the nature of what our semi-profeasional league as allowed to permeate.

Incidently, how many weeks was Whatley callign for when Hawkins slapped an Umps hand? Just curious?