Toast TLR calls for vote on guernsey - update: Members vote for Premiership/Fitzroy Lion - it's back baby!

[Haggis McHaggis]

For those for who that was too long... the summation: the jumper IS a marketing logo. To say you don't care about the marketing logo, only the jumper, is to miss the point. Everything aesthetic is a marketing logo, and used solely for the purpose of attracting customers. Member consultation isn't an outcome, it's an sales tactic.

Missing the point and disagreeing are two different things.

 

[Dylan12]

For those for who that was too long... the summation: the jumper IS a marketing logo.

Your opinion mate.

I know many, many more who completely disagree. And it is also your opinion, which you have now repeated countless times that the logo is dated, also which many completely disagree.

The jumper clearly means a lot more to some than others, which again, you've articulated that it doesn't mean as much to you.

I have no problem that we have differing opinions, but I do take issue in the manner that you refer to a sporting organisation as simply a business in which consumers have a limited vested interest in its branding and intellectual properties associated with it, although you didn't say that in those words.

Using sports apparel brands as an example, I know quite a few people, including myself, that only ever purchase one particular brand, in my case Adidas. However, unlike how I feel about the Brisbane Lions or Chelsea Football Club or the Boston Red Sox, I am not mentally or emotionally invested in and nor do I care about the direction of Adidas or its logo or the fact that in previous years Adidas has stepped away from the classic vertical three stripes and changed to a horizontal design. No doubt, such a decision could have upset some consumers.

I could be wrong, but I get the impression that you are simply making out that as Brisbane Lions members, we are merely consumers, nothing more. Sure that may be the case in relation to merchandise, memberships etc. but unlike other organisations (such as Adidas) where despite our loyalty to that brand, preferences may change for one reason or another and I/consumers may start purchasing Asics or Reebok products instead of Adidas.

But consumers attitudes toward their favoured sporting organisation is completely different to that of the average consumer's attitude towards purchasing sporting apparel or fast food. Most members of their various sporting organisations are unwavering in their loyalty and like most here are mentally and emotionally invested in the Brisbane Lions and take ownership of the club and want to be consulted in major decisions affecting our club. I'm not sure many consumers feel that way about whatever brands they are loyal to as they are not emotionally or mentally invested in the organisation as they are in a sporting organisation, which for many, impacts their life on a daily basis.

I appreciate the angle you are approaching this from, but to simply say the jumper IS a marketing logo is failing to recognise what the jumper MEANS to a great deal of us.

 

[MacMum]

Bert Newton - an old Roy Boy.

Wouldn't waste your breath, he doesn't like us, saw him say so years ago.....wasn't interested in following us at all..

..so chewy on his boot is all I have to say on that.

 

[doona]

I am a swans fan, from the mid 90's so I do not know first hand a club relocating or a merger. As a swans fan, i love our heritage tops, I would love to wear the true south melbourne guernsey in Melbourne.Maybe change year to year as there were a couple of guernsey's worn.

I love the swans home guernsey, but paying respect to the melbourne supporters for me as a swans fan i love. Most of the swans tops I own are the SMFC guernsey's, is till have a few swans tops but (the first SMFC one i bought was a match guernsey from tim schmidt (he didnt play) but i loved honoring our history.

In my opinion it is a complete lack of respect from the brisbane football club to the Fitzroy fans and members. I think there is nothing wrong updating the home Guernsey (used in Brisbane) updating the lions logo (look at the cats for example), but for the limited games in Melbourne, a Fitzroy away guernsey, original stylings logo's wouldn't wreck the brand. In my opinion it would enhance it.

Then in the heritage round, old brisbane bears guernsey's i think should be worn.

This is just an opinion from an outsider with no invested interest in the brisbane football club or fitzroy for that matter.

 

[matwt73]

I just reread an article from 2009 that Jorgo posted on Twitter and it got my inner conspiracy theorist working.

Afl goes to Lions in 2009 and says 'guys I don't think we can do the six games in melbourne for much longer, New clubs up your way and all
Lions: but we've signed an agreement and more importantly we've got support in melbourne...
Afl: yeah about that, its great, we are happy for you but its kind of inconvenient, it would be better if you focussed on brisbane, particularly if we have to reduce the number of games in,melbourne, why don't we make it worth your while to burn off some of those melbourne fans
Lions: yeah, like that will happen, those roy fans are a loyal bunch as long as we've got this lion... Hang on I have an idea
Afl: there's a good kitty

 

[Skoob]

Day 2 of letter writing. Come on guys get something on paper and in the mail.

 

[Skoob]

3 - You have 20,000 more sales staff. And growing - you get new members, and they become sales staff too.

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The best sales staff are the ones who honestly believe in their product in totality. At the moment, many of us are more like "Hey, we've got this exciting group of players building to something. Unfortunately, you're going to have to wear this".

The most interesting thing I find in the McDonalds analogy is that they had the balls to come out with "Sorry our coffee is crap, so we've fixed it".
New Coke anyone?

 

[spotthedog1]

I've said my piece now - those who disagree with me, fine. Write letters about what you want. I know this is a guernsey thread, so it's the right place for it, but it'd make it much easier for me not to enter these threads if people stopped posting about the guernsey in other threads. All I wanna do is talk about some football. I'll try harder to respect your opinion, can you all please try harder to post in appropriate threads (particularly with the upcoming game - before/after essendon, the number of guernsey posts in football threads was beyond irritating).

I just reread an article from 2009 that Jorgo posted on Twitter and it got my inner conspiracy theorist working.

Afl goes to Lions in 2009 and says 'guys I don't think we can do the six games in melbourne for much longer, New clubs up your way and all
Lions: but we've signed an agreement and more importantly we've got support in melbourne...
Afl: yeah about that, its great, we are happy for you but its kind of inconvenient, it would be better if you focussed on brisbane, particularly if we have to reduce the number of games in,melbourne, why don't we make it worth your while to burn off some of those melbourne fans
Lions: yeah, like that will happen, those roy fans are a loyal bunch as long as we've got this lion... Hang on I have an idea
Afl: there's a good kitty

There's a problem with this line of thought... The AFL never made anything worth our while, never supported us, and in fact screws us at every opportunity.

 

[western royboy]

There's a problem with this line of thought... The AFL never made anything worth our while, never supported us, and in fact screws us at every opportunity.

If I remember in 1998, when we were a basket case, the AFL played a pretty big role in beefing up out Footy department and were instrumental in helping lure a coach. I know for a fact that the view from inside the ivory tower is that we were given some really good assistance that helped us get to were we were on and off field in say 2003, only for the off field gains to be for want of a better word, pissed up against the wall by cowboys. Expansion is part of the master plan to grow the game. We don't have to like but that's the fact of the matter. The AFL are certainly screwing us in other areas, but there contention had the admin done a better job we would have been better placed to absorb any impact and as such we are now just one of many on handouts and cap limited.

 

[Roylion]

Zero damage? Seriously? I get that you favour that viewpoint, but you have to be able to see that forfeiting this one would cost the club in future flexibility. We cannot keep our guernsey like that forever - it is dated already, imagine how it'll look in 50 years.

It'll look exactly the same, which is not a bad thing. I don't believe the 1997-2009 guernsey has aged at all. Neither do many others, as is evident by the widespread acclaim for the wearing of it against Essendon. And not just from Lions supporters but from amongst the footballing public in general.

And I know, Collingwood would never change theirs, but their guernsey is 'stripes'. Ours is 'a lion image design'. Black and white stripes don't really age. Our guernsey has. I get that the traditionalists don't think so, but it really, really has.

I disagree.

Also helps that there is clear distinction between marketing logo and jumper design in all of their cases - something we don't have. Our marketing logo (or a version of it) has appeared on our jumper since merger. Interesting that they tried to keep that fairly traditional. One could argue that the club was trying to minimise the change.

They weren't trying to minimise the change. Between 1997 and 2009 the Lions adhered to the terms and spirit of the "merger" agreement as to the logo.

I'm going to guess that your next argument would be "Carlton's guernsey never changes, and it's dated terribly and still got support of it's fans". True. But they are in Victoria. Their main way of recruiting fans is generational - calling on tradition helps. Our main growth comes from outreach - a rugby league state, where the Lions are trying to grab the kids.

Bottom line. In Queensland the best way to recruit fans is to win and win regularly. If the Lions want a substantial Melbourne supporter base of the same volume as the Swans do, then they need to find a way to have those Melbourne supporters identify with the club that is based in Queensland. And the ONLY way to do that is through their Fitzroy links. And the only readily identifiable Fitzroy link is through the jumper.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what jumper is worn in Queensland. Win and keep winning on a regular basis and the fans will come. In Victoria though, the situation is completely different. It's the jumpoer and the other connections to Fitzroy that will keep the fan base vibrant. Committed Victorian supporters will pass their love of the club onto their kids. Lose that connection and there goes Brisbane's Melbourne supporter base. If Brisbane don;t want a Melbourne supporter base why did they and the AFL force Fitzroy to hand over their playing operations in 1996, when a merger had already been agreed to with the North Melbourne Football Club?

Does no one get that our club's main aim at the moment (and with good reason) is expansion, and their main marketing target at the moment is young families and kids, and they've designed the logos and guernsey around this? I'm really surprised more fans don't grasp this.

There are plenty of ways to market the Fitzroy lion attractively.

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The club has failed in making it's members feel like family. I don't mean in relation to the guernsey, the logo, the curtains and carpets, or any other pointless and completely aesthetic feature that bears no impact on actually running a football club.

The guernsey and the logo do mean a great deal to Victorian members for reasons I have already described above. The Lions' decision to change the logo and the jumper for the 2010 season has cost them at least tens of thousands of dollars. An expensive court case, lost merchandise sales and lost memberships for a start. A loss of goodwill in Victoria.

WHAT CURRENTLY HAPPENS - The club makes decisions, and tries to sell it to the members. Yes, the members are customers. Yes, the club employs marketing on you. Don't be so surprised. The club then tries to make you feel involved, and special, and that it wasn't all just a cheesy pickup line to get you into bed (and the club has never felt this way before - it really does think your eyes glisten in the moonlight). And surprise - the club fails, because we subconsciously recognise that we're being sold to, and no one actually likes the car salesman. So we feel like we're outside the club, we don't feel as much loyalty to the club (the team, sure, but not the club), and we whine that mummy gave us the pink balloon, not the blue one!

The Brisbane Lions recruited me in 1997 through their connection to Fitzroy. No more no less. Their connection with Fitzroy was the only factor that made me feel I could identify with the club based in Queensland. If that connection is diluted, then my identification with the club is lessened and the club's revenue is lessened through the non-purchase of products by myself and other supporters in the same boat.

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN - The club makes decisions, tells the members about it's decision, and tries to sell it to the public. If the club can reach this level (and believe me, it's trying... and failing...), it's a beauty to behold.
1 - Members are retained easier. Instead of being sold to, members feel like they're inside the family, not outside it. The members understand that the guernsey, the logo, the curtains, the carpets - they're all a facade with no actual purpose except to entice the customers.

For Victorian members the guernsey and logo does serve an actual purpose for reasons I have explained above.

This increases member loyalty to the club, not just the team, and they don't have to put anywhere near as much effort into you to keep you there. You don't mind the dings in the walls, because you live there - you're part of the family.

I don't live there. I'm part of the Fitzroy family which includes the Fitzroy Football Club. Whether the Brisbane Lions choose to be part of the Fitzroy family by actively identifying with Fitzroy, will determine my support for them. And for many others in Victoria.

This is where we differ from Collingwood. Eddie pisses me off so much, because he is a master of this. All Collingwood fans feel like they know him personally, and it makes them feel like part of the family. He is an unbelievable salesman, and it pisses me off. If the club successfully converted us to 'inside the family', Lions TV would be the only advertising necessary to keep us as 'inside the family'. The problem is, they screwed it, and we feel like we're inside the team, not inside the club. They guernsey isn't what made them fail at this - it's evidence that they never succeeded in the first place.

For Victorian supporters, the guernsey and the logo are why they are failing in this. The bottom line here is that the Lions have broken the agreement and for many it is a betrayal of what they were told in 1997 by the Brisbane Bears / Lions to get them on board as club members. Its the reason why many won't renew memberships, won't buy merchandise, won't go to games.

 

[western royboy]

It'll look exactly the same, which is not a bad thing. I don't believe the 1997-2009 guernsey has aged at all. Neither do many others, as is evident by the widespread acclaim for the wearing of it against Essendon. And not just from Lions supporters but from amongst the footballing public in general.



I disagree.



They weren't trying to minimise the change. Between 1997 and 2009 the Lions adhered to the terms and spirit of the "merger" agreement as to the logo.



Bottom line. In Queensland the best way to recruit fans is to win and win regularly. If the Lions want a substantial Melbourne supporter base of the same volume as the Swans do, then they need to find a way to have those Melbourne supporters identify with the club that is based in Queensland. And the ONLY way to do that is through their Fitzroy links. And the only readily identifiable Fitzroy link is through the jumper.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what jumper is worn in Queensland. Win and keep winning on a regular basis and the fans will come. In Victoria though, the situation is completely different. It's the jumpoer and the other connections to Fitzroy that will keep the fan base vibrant. Committed Victorian supporters will pass their love of the club onto their kids. Lose that connection and there goes Brisbane's Melbourne supporter base. If Brisbane don;t want a Melbourne supporter base why did they and the AFL force Fitzroy to hand over their playing operations in 1996, when a merger had already been agreed to with the North Melbourne Football Club?



There are plenty of ways to market the Fitzroy lion attractively.

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The guernsey and the logo do mean a great deal to Victorian members for reasons I have already described above. The Lions' decision to change the logo and the jumper for the 2010 season has cost them at least tens of thousands of dollars. An expensive court case, lost merchandise sales and lost memberships for a start. A loss of goodwill in Victoria.



The Brisbane Lions recruited me in 1997 through their connection to Fitzroy. No more no less. Their connection with Fitzroy was the only factor that made me feel I could identify with the club based in Queensland. If that connection is diluted, then my identification with the club is lessened and the club's revenue is lessened through the non-purchase of products by myself and other supporters in the same boat.



For Victorian members the guernsey and logo does serve an actual purpose for reasons I have explained above.



I don't live there. I'm part of the Fitzroy family which includes the Fitzroy Football Club. Whether the Brisbane Lions choose to be part of the Fitzroy family by actively identifying with Fitzroy, will determine my support for them. And for many others in Victoria.




For Victorian supporters, the guernsey and the logo are why they are failing in this. The bottom line here is that the Lions have broken the agreement and for many it is a betrayal of what they were told in 1997 by the Brisbane Bears / Lions to get them on board as club members. Its the reason why many won't renew memberships, won't buy merchandise, won't go to games.

Bravo Roy, perfect!

 

[Jorgo]

How good is it reading other people's letters on the website?!?!

http://thelionsroar.net/letters-to-the-club/

I love reading them!! Please continue to upload them folks!

 

[spotthedog1]

It'll look exactly the same, which is not a bad thing. I don't believe the 1997-2009 guernsey has aged at all. Neither do many others, as is evident by the widespread acclaim for the wearing of it against Essendon. And not just from Lions supporters but from amongst the footballing public in general.

I disagree.

They weren't trying to minimise the change. Between 1997 and 2009 the Lions adhered to the terms and spirit of the "merger" agreement as to the logo.

All of these are purely aesthetic choices, and I'm happy to agree to disagree on them. I disagree that the merger agreement was broken in any way shape or form. If you want to see my thoughts on this, they're around the forums, but I really don't want to have the same argument again.

Bottom line. In Queensland the best way to recruit fans is to win and win regularly. If the Lions want a substantial Melbourne supporter base of the same volume as the Swans do, then they need to find a way to have those Melbourne supporters identify with the club that is based in Queensland. And the ONLY way to do that is through their Fitzroy links. And the only readily identifiable Fitzroy link is through the jumper.

I agree about winning, that's a very true point, but having one pure marketing tactic would be a huge failure. If winning were our only marketing tactic, all of our QLD supporters would've left in the last 5 years. Best way to market in Vic is FFC, agreed. Again though, I disagree that this HAS to be through the jumper. It is also through family days, historical issues, and many other things. I know you're pissed at the club, but you're still here, DESPITE the jumper. This proves conclusively that the jumper is not the only link with FFC. If it were the only link as you suggest, you should feel absolutely no connection to the club now, and should, in fact, not support it. You obviously do, which means that the jumper is not your only link to the club, and historical measures are a conclusive link. This is a good thing, because it means you support a team, not a jumper.

So in the end it doesn't really matter what jumper is worn in Queensland. Win and keep winning on a regular basis and the fans will come. In Victoria though, the situation is completely different. It's the jumpoer and the other connections to Fitzroy that will keep the fan base vibrant. Committed Victorian supporters will pass their love of the club onto their kids. Lose that connection and there goes Brisbane's Melbourne supporter base. If Brisbane don;t want a Melbourne supporter base why did they and the AFL force Fitzroy to hand over their playing operations in 1996, when a merger had already been agreed to with the North Melbourne Football Club?

I've already stated that winning cannot be the sole marketing push for anywhere. I still agree that winning is a great attractor, but if a winning team appears to the public like a bunch of tossers and no body likes them, they won't get much support. Winning is only one aspect, and works in conjunction with guernseys, logos, advertisements, websites, community activities, interviews, public relations, etc, to build attraction. RE: Victorian supporters - as above. The FFC jumper would help us in Vic, and hinder us in QLD. The club is clearly of the opinion that the new guernsey obtains more support than it loses though.[/quote]

There are plenty of ways to market the Fitzroy lion attractively.

I disagree. The main marketing target of the FFC lion would be existing fans. You've agreed that QLD is an expansion state. Marketing to existing fans is not outreach, and particularly to our obvious marketing target of non-AFL based kids and families. Just look at the number of footy classes the lions players run in primary schools. The only reason is to attract youth. I see no way in which the FFC lion could be more attractive to kids and families than the paddlepop. Is the paddlepop more attractive overall? No - it's quite comical and cartoonish, and only really fierce in a cartoonish sort of way. Gee, I wonder - who would design a logo and jersey that would only be attractive to kids... Wait a sec, I've answered my own question.

The guernsey and the logo do mean a great deal to Victorian members for reasons I have already described above. The Lions' decision to change the logo and the jumper for the 2010 season has cost them at least tens of thousands of dollars. An expensive court case, lost merchandise sales and lost memberships for a start. A loss of goodwill in Victoria.

Tens of thousands! Ooh, I shudder at the thought. The goodwill in Vic, I'll admit, is a hurt, but if you read back over my previous posts in this thread, you'd be able to see the kind of reasoning that would assume that it wouldn't hurt the goodwill. An example I used before was Freo firing Harvs and recruiting Lyon. The club copped flack for that, and goodwill was damaged, but any goodwill lost has well and truly been recaptured by winning. I think our club intended to have some winning early on with the new logo, and worked on the assumption that they could earn back lost goodwill. Clearly this hasn't happened, and it is a loss to the club.

The Brisbane Lions recruited me in 1997 through their connection to Fitzroy. No more no less. Their connection with Fitzroy was the only factor that made me feel I could identify with the club based in Queensland. If that connection is diluted, then my identification with the club is lessened and the club's revenue is lessened through the non-purchase of products by myself and other supporters in the same boat.

For Victorian members the guernsey and logo does serve an actual purpose for reasons I have explained above.

I agree about the connection, which is why the Lions are now going to huge lengths under current administration to do things like Hall of Fame dinners, and Family Days in Melbourne. Other things still connect you.

I don't live there. I'm part of the Fitzroy family which includes the Fitzroy Football Club. Whether the Brisbane Lions choose to be part of the Fitzroy family by actively identifying with Fitzroy, will determine my support for them. And for many others in Victoria.

If you think this is a point against me, I don't think you read my previous post evenly. You've just proved my point. The club failed miserably at getting people to feel like they live there. Note: I think you mistook my 'live there' to mean physical presence in QLD. Not at all my point. I mean, if done correctly, you would feel like the Lions were your home. That you still connect with FFC, that you don't feel like part of the family, or the sales staff, is proof that, as I said, the club failed at this.

For Victorian supporters, the guernsey and the logo are why they are failing in this. The bottom line here is that the Lions have broken the agreement and for many it is a betrayal of what they were told in 1997 by the Brisbane Bears / Lions to get them on board as club members. Its the reason why many won't renew memberships, won't buy merchandise, won't go to games.

See my last paragraph - this is exact proof that you feel external to the club - a failure of the club.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone that the Lions have done a perfect job, are brilliant, or anything else like that. I'm trying to portray a line of thought that would justify their actions. And I think their actions are pretty justified... a club, with teams of marketing experts, designed a marketing program wherein everything at the club was aimed at their target market (including logos and guernseys). I think that's a sound idea. That the VIC supporters feel left out in the cold is a failure of the club. It wasn't sold well. I'm not denying that. But clearly, you guys are still here, and I'm glad you are - we need our Vic supporters. I'm just trying to say - even though you guys kinda got screwed here, trust that the club - your club - wasn't trying to screw you. It had a plan, it's plan got screwed because of onfield losses, bad offfield management, incorrect projections, and many other things that weren't foreseeable, so now it's just pushing ahead with it's existing marketing plan, until a new marketing plan comes around that supports an expansionary viewpoint. And "go back to the old lion" is a marketing plan to targets existing members, not potential members in an expansion state... which is why it will never happen. On behalf of fans recruited via the new marketing plan, I apologise that you guys got the short end of the stick, and hope you'll continue to support the club as they try to do what's best (even if they stuff up occasionally... or even more frequently).

 

[POBT]

Guys, no offence but you are rehashing arguments that are now 4 years old. This thread is to draw attention to the fact that there is now a group which is calling for a vote on this issue.

How about we restrict our conversation to the topic of a vote rather than engaging in lengthy exchanges on things which have been discussed over and over again? I'll change the thread title to suit.

 

[dlanod]

Guys, no offence but you are rehashing arguments that are now 4 years old. This thread is to draw attention to the fact that there is now a group which is calling for a vote on this issue.

How about we restrict our conversation to the topic of a vote rather than engaging in lengthy exchanges on things which have been discussed over and over again? I'll change the thread title to suit.

Disappointing. I was hoping to see Roylion and spot produce posts the length of which BF has never seen and will never see again as they break down each other's arguments!

 

[adey115]

With the jumper issue, I don't think the club was trying to deliberately screw us. I just think they were naive (I'd even suggest stupid) to think that we weren't going to feel screwed over by the move, because we weren't consulted and because they didn't seem to see that many people feel an emotional connection to the jumper that S.T.D.1 doesn't seem to feel.

Could probably talk about that debate for days, but will agree to disagree.

What I would like to add though - is that I'll leave it to the players to show as to if they feel a connection to what is on the jumper. Personally I've never seen one player point at the PP, kiss it, grab it with emotion, appear to talk about it with genuine connection (I'd exclude those somewhat uncomfortable towing the company line feel public words that some of our guys have said, and wish the old Saturday Night footy lie detector test was on them).....

But I've seen plenty of our players do all of those things with either the traditional BL classic jumper, and with a number of the heritage jumpers we've worn since 2001. The best I recall was Tom Rockcliff in the Hall of Fame game last year - tugging at a guernsey design that he will probably only ever wear once in his career. Simon Black's speech was apparently incredible before the game against Essendon a couple of weeks ago, talking about that classic guernsey.

If the players can feel an emotional connection to what they are wearing, then the jumper must be more than a marketing logo.

PS... wouldn't that be good. Brian Taylor's lie detector test on Seven - ask the Lions players if they prefer the PP or the classic Brisbane Lions design!!!

 

[western royboy]

I'm not trying to argue with anyone that the Lions have done a perfect job, are brilliant, or anything else like that. I'm trying to portray a line of thought that would justify their actions. And I think their actions are pretty justified... a club, with teams of marketing experts, designed a marketing program wherein everything at the club was aimed at their target market (including logos and guernseys). I think that's a sound idea. That the VIC supporters feel left out in the cold is a failure of the club. It wasn't sold well. I'm not denying that. But clearly, you guys are still here, and I'm glad you are - we need our Vic supporters. I'm just trying to say - even though you guys kinda got screwed here, trust that the club - your club - wasn't trying to screw you. It had a plan, it's plan got screwed because of onfield losses, bad offfield management, incorrect projections, and many other things that weren't foreseeable, so now it's just pushing ahead with it's existing marketing plan, until a new marketing plan comes around that supports an expansionary viewpoint. And "go back to the old lion" is a marketing plan to targets existing members, not potential members in an expansion state... which is why it will never happen. On behalf of fans recruited via the new marketing plan, I apologise that you guys got the short end of the stick, and hope you'll continue to support the club as they try to do what's best (even if they stuff up occasionally... or even more frequently).

Fundamentally the Fitzroy Lion now the Brisbane Lion means everything to me, it's one of the few symbols of my former club and that of the merger club.

The Brisbane Lions are either committed to the dual state status of the club or they are not, as I have said in many threads, my relationship with the club has progressivley scaled back over the years and I am seriously questioning whether I continue to force it upon my kids and myself. There are thousands - yes thousands of disaffected Fitzroy fans who have tacit or minimal support for Brisbane, but if they are continued to be shafted over and over how long will do you reckon they'll put up with it, I'm here to tell you not much longer.

This shouldn't be about Brisbane v Fitzroy supporters, its about Brisbane Lions supporters and if the club can't wake up to itself and admit that it was a massive **** up then deal me out.

 

[POBT]

Disappointing. I was hoping to see Roylion and spot produce posts the length of which BF has never seen and will never see again as they break down each other's arguments!

That exchange was like that old maths question about a population doubling in size every day. Every sentence drew a 4 sentence response. It was beyond exponential growth!!!

I'm not wanting to stop the conversation, by the way. Just not keen for this thread to be sidetracked because I personally believe that the issue of a vote on the jumper is too important to get lost in a sea of posts. More than happy for the protagonists in the debate to take it to a more appropriate thread.

 

[POBT]

Guys.....please?

 

[Ceebee]

Disappointing. I was hoping to see Roylion and spot produce posts the length of which BF has never seen and will never see again as they break down each other's arguments!

Never read long posts.

Would rather these people put their actions into words and send letters to the people that can actually do something about it.

No good arguing about it on here, will not change anything at all.

 

[spotthedog1]

That exchange was like that old maths question about a population doubling in size every day. Every sentence drew a 4 sentence response. It was beyond exponential growth!!!

I'm sorry, I have to contest that it was 'beyond' exponential growth... At every sentence growing at a rate of 4 new sentences, the formula would be 4^(n-1) sentences, where n is the number of responses down the line that it is. This conclusively proves that it is by definition exponential growth, and as such, cannot be 'beyond' it.

I'm joshing. That's all good. I still think that it's pointless to do so - the club won't and shouldn't change back, and letters to the club prove that they either haven't lost you and won't anytime soon, or that you don't have a stake in them for them to care about - but if people want to keep writing letters, go right ahead.

 

[weevil]

I'm sorry, I have to contest that it was 'beyond' exponential growth... At every sentence growing at a rate of 4 new sentences, the formula would be 4^n sentences, where n is the number of responses down the line that it is. This conclusively proves that it is by definition exponential growth, and as such, cannot be 'beyond' it.

I'm joshing. That's all good. I still think that it's pointless to do so - the club won't and shouldn't change back, and letters to the club prove that they either haven't lost you and won't anytime soon, or that you don't have a stake in them for them to care about - but if people want to keep writing letters, go right ahead.

Maate, they already have 300 people signed up in a little over a day, if they keep on going at this rate the club will have no option but to listen.

 

[western royboy]

I'm joshing. That's all good. I still think that it's pointless to do so - the club won't and shouldn't change back, and letters to the club prove that they either haven't lost you and won't anytime soon, or that you don't have a stake in them for them to care about - but if people want to keep writing letters, go right ahead.

I'm out unless it goes back, there is a tipping point - this is it.

 

[POBT]

300 is a pretty good start.

Loving the fact that that many people already are engaged enough with the club to do something other than turn up on game night. Let's hope that number continues to grow.

 

[Harris Specter]

Emma Quayle has spread the word too.

Emma Quayle ✔ @emmasq
A Lions supporter group wants the old jumper back. Check out http://thelionsroar.net/
8:57 AM - 28 May 2013